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M
I say that because the commandment is talking about idols — creating images to worship in place of the Living God. This is what "graven images" are in the biblical sense. If you believe creating statues is a sin in itself, you must believe God commanded Israel to sin. If you continue to make this argument, I won't be able to continue this conversation. We won't get anywhere without logic.
God told the Isrealites to make cherubim for the ark of the covenant because that is where God would be present with His people...His Holy Spirit is no longer present in things made with human hands in that sense so it would be a major sin to make images unto God...Jesus is no longer present on the cross so an image of Him on the cross is a very wrong depiction/ representation...false representations are the same as lies..where is Jesus now...He is in Heaven
S
Okay, well then how about this argument. Roman Catholicism was created in 1054 AD, Protestantism was created in 1517 AD. Roman Catholicism is almost 500 years older therefore it is better than it.
‘He who comes after me ranks higher than me, because he was before me.’"
John 1:15
The older the better, that's what the Bible even says.
‘He who comes after me ranks higher than me, because he was before me.’"
John 1:15
The older the better, that's what the Bible even says.
B
To these messages I feel I should respond:
You all in this argument are so concerned with such a small matter. To each his own, if I pray to the Lord Jesus Christ with honesty but am this denomination, and the next man who is a catholic or baptists or whatever does the same, are we not believing and praying the say Biblical God? Perhaps I worship without a priest, but call the man a pastor while Catholics call him "Father" or "Priest". Do they not function the same - as counselors to the people, someone to help lead and answer questions regarding faith and God? Do we not open the very same pages of the Gospel? Maybe Catholics have a few extra books in their Bible but are they not 90% more or less the same?
The honest to goodness answer is that condemning all Catholics is more evil than Catholics may or may not be.
denomination does not dictate who is evil or not, neither can one say one denomination as a whole is evil or not. To each his own, and let God be the final judgement. This forum is full of petty denomination arguments that it's saddening. This is why the secular worlds looks at us strangely, because we can't pray for each other before we judge each other.
You all in this argument are so concerned with such a small matter. To each his own, if I pray to the Lord Jesus Christ with honesty but am this denomination, and the next man who is a catholic or baptists or whatever does the same, are we not believing and praying the say Biblical God? Perhaps I worship without a priest, but call the man a pastor while Catholics call him "Father" or "Priest". Do they not function the same - as counselors to the people, someone to help lead and answer questions regarding faith and God? Do we not open the very same pages of the Gospel? Maybe Catholics have a few extra books in their Bible but are they not 90% more or less the same?
The honest to goodness answer is that condemning all Catholics is more evil than Catholics may or may not be.
denomination does not dictate who is evil or not, neither can one say one denomination as a whole is evil or not. To each his own, and let God be the final judgement. This forum is full of petty denomination arguments that it's saddening. This is why the secular worlds looks at us strangely, because we can't pray for each other before we judge each other.
B
I'm not sure what I'm condemning about Eastern Orthodoxy, I just find the argument over which denomination is better or not petty and far out of sight for any Christ minded man.
Also, I quoted your post because it was the most recent, this argument goes back atleast 10 posts and choosing which one to quote to reference the argument seemed to be easiest if I just quoted the most recent post. I did not mean to call you out in any way, my apologizes if I did. Yes I understand you're asking when his started, and I'm pretty sure he answered actually: 1054 AD (I'm assuming micheal was referring to his own religion when he mentioned Roman Cathlocism but I might be wrong)
Also, I quoted your post because it was the most recent, this argument goes back atleast 10 posts and choosing which one to quote to reference the argument seemed to be easiest if I just quoted the most recent post. I did not mean to call you out in any way, my apologizes if I did. Yes I understand you're asking when his started, and I'm pretty sure he answered actually: 1054 AD (I'm assuming micheal was referring to his own religion when he mentioned Roman Cathlocism but I might be wrong)
S
No, I'm Eastern Orthodox, which is like a different version of Catholicism. We consider ourselves (like the Catholics) to be the original Christian Church. But the Catholics are not the original church because in 1054 AD there was a Great Schism which they (Rome) caused, dividing the Church into two halves. The Church was always 2 halves until Protestantism came along in 1517.
Many Protestants don't look closely enough into Church History and so have no idea of any of this.
Many Protestants don't look closely enough into Church History and so have no idea of any of this.
B
My opinion of the matter is that arguments over which denomination is better or which one is evil is not of importance. My opinion on what the oldest church is varies Although I recognize that Orthodoxy (or what is actually Catholicism, as what we call today Catholic is actually ROMAN Catholic) is supported by physical evidence to have started sometime around 300AD there are some scholars who date it back to the early 40s AD
On the other hand, the Coptic church is extremely old too, with the first one established around 43AD in Alexandria. Coptics are a off branch of Orthodoxy however, so this argument may support the early creation of both churches.
My family is diverse between Catholics (roman) Baptists, Orthodoxy, and non-denominational (such that we follow the Bible purely and without influence of doctrine of any other principality or person) So I am keen to accept all denominations, as having experienced many, I find they all have the same Faith in Jesus Christ, they all pray to the same God, they all Love the same God, they all worship the same God, they all follow the same Jesus Christ and the same God and Father of all, but the way they show/practice is slightly different. This why, from experiences, I find arguing over denominations to be petty and not true to the Faith we all have in common. It's like I said, it's not how we pick up the rock we believe in that counts, but rather, that we all pick up the same rock. (The rock is Jesus Christ for those of you who might not get the analogy)
On the other hand, the Coptic church is extremely old too, with the first one established around 43AD in Alexandria. Coptics are a off branch of Orthodoxy however, so this argument may support the early creation of both churches.
My family is diverse between Catholics (roman) Baptists, Orthodoxy, and non-denominational (such that we follow the Bible purely and without influence of doctrine of any other principality or person) So I am keen to accept all denominations, as having experienced many, I find they all have the same Faith in Jesus Christ, they all pray to the same God, they all Love the same God, they all worship the same God, they all follow the same Jesus Christ and the same God and Father of all, but the way they show/practice is slightly different. This why, from experiences, I find arguing over denominations to be petty and not true to the Faith we all have in common. It's like I said, it's not how we pick up the rock we believe in that counts, but rather, that we all pick up the same rock. (The rock is Jesus Christ for those of you who might not get the analogy)
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