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This is such a bad habit of mine. I'm not sure if you mean it this way, but I'll take it as a subtle hint that I too need to rethink it. 
It's not a bad habit ... just rare, like common sense is uncommon.
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He's something far worse:
Amitai Etzioni
Author of Security First: For a Muscular, Moral Foreign Policy
Posted: July 16, 2008 01:30 PM
Conservatism is Dead: Long Live Liberalism? (Part III)
Conservatism is dying on the vine [detailed here]; liberalism is not a mainspring of compelling and mobilizing ideas [here]. Obama draws heavily on -- and contributes much to -- a little known social philosophy known as communitarianism. It is centered around the importance of community, the common good, and service.
Amitai Etzioni: Conservatism is Dead: Long Live Liberalism? (Part III)
Amitai Etzioni
Author of Security First: For a Muscular, Moral Foreign Policy
Posted: July 16, 2008 01:30 PM
Conservatism is Dead: Long Live Liberalism? (Part III)
Conservatism is dying on the vine [detailed here]; liberalism is not a mainspring of compelling and mobilizing ideas [here]. Obama draws heavily on -- and contributes much to -- a little known social philosophy known as communitarianism. It is centered around the importance of community, the common good, and service.
Amitai Etzioni: Conservatism is Dead: Long Live Liberalism? (Part III)
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Which of these things are you saying is bad?
1) The importance of community -- knowing your neighbors, looking out for each other, recognizing that we're all in this together, and when one person succeeds, we all do.
2) The Common Good -- rather than one person gaining from another person's loss, we find ways to improve the well-being of both. The haves and have-nots need not be at odds with each other. They can work together to benefit themselves and each other.
3) Service to others. Feeding the hungry, helping the poor ... How is this a bad thing?
Now, perhaps you don't think either communism nor Islam are inherently "bad," so saying that Obama is "worse" is not really an insult? But considering your tone, I don't think that's the case. You seem to think these are horrible values to have.
Which makes me wonder why you would even claim to be a Christian, since Jesus preached all 3 of those things, and encouraged his followers to do them. So, you seem to hate the very man you claim to follow. That just doesn't make sense to me.
1) The importance of community -- knowing your neighbors, looking out for each other, recognizing that we're all in this together, and when one person succeeds, we all do.
2) The Common Good -- rather than one person gaining from another person's loss, we find ways to improve the well-being of both. The haves and have-nots need not be at odds with each other. They can work together to benefit themselves and each other.
3) Service to others. Feeding the hungry, helping the poor ... How is this a bad thing?
Now, perhaps you don't think either communism nor Islam are inherently "bad," so saying that Obama is "worse" is not really an insult? But considering your tone, I don't think that's the case. You seem to think these are horrible values to have.
Which makes me wonder why you would even claim to be a Christian, since Jesus preached all 3 of those things, and encouraged his followers to do them. So, you seem to hate the very man you claim to follow. That just doesn't make sense to me.
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Don't bring Jesus into this. Or make this about me.
What'd you SNIP away the link for, Diva?
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Amitai Etzioni
Author of Security First: For a Muscular, Moral Foreign Policy
Posted: July 16, 2008 01:30 PM
Conservatism is Dead: Long Live Liberalism? (Part III)
Conservatism is dying on the vine [detailed here]; liberalism is not a mainspring of compelling and mobilizing ideas [here]. Obama draws heavily on -- and contributes much to -- a little known social philosophy known as communitarianism. It is centered around the importance of community, the common good, and service.
Amitai Etzioni: Conservatism is Dead: Long Live Liberalism? (Part III)
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What the Communitarians Stand For
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communitarian/niki.htm
What'd you SNIP away the link for, Diva?
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Amitai Etzioni
Author of Security First: For a Muscular, Moral Foreign Policy
Posted: July 16, 2008 01:30 PM
Conservatism is Dead: Long Live Liberalism? (Part III)
Conservatism is dying on the vine [detailed here]; liberalism is not a mainspring of compelling and mobilizing ideas [here]. Obama draws heavily on -- and contributes much to -- a little known social philosophy known as communitarianism. It is centered around the importance of community, the common good, and service.
Amitai Etzioni: Conservatism is Dead: Long Live Liberalism? (Part III)
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What the Communitarians Stand For
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communitarian/niki.htm
LOL, my mother is from Massachusetts, so I can't say anything about Romney, but I was reminded of this verse: "Nathanael said to him, 'Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?' Philip said to him, 'Come and see.' " Any candidate should have to earn our trust, not be given it automatically, but Chicago's just a city.
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And your true colors are revealed.
Jesus is already in this. He was from the beginning, and will be forever, amen. Sorry your faith, whatever it is, does not share that belief.
Because anyone reading this thread would have already seen it, and any half-wit who wanted to see it again could scroll up and click on it if they needed to. It's not like your posts go away on this forum. I did not try to get your post banned or hidden or the link severed. I invite everyone to read it, and see for themselves that Obama follows at least some Christian values, if not all of them.
Those who think it's a bad thing to love your neighbor are half way to hell. Jesus asks so little of us, just two tiny little commandments. Obama may or may not follow the first (some of his legislation seems to indicate he doesn't), but if that article is true, he seems to have the second down. I can't say whether he's a Christian or not. That's between him and God.
But I can say that anyone who thinks it's bad to follow Jesus probably isn't Christian, and I honestly don't understand your motivation for insisting on repeating to this thread how at odds you are with Christ. In fact, reading the article almost made me want to vote for the guy. Almost. He certainly displays more Christ-like behavior than Romney.
But, just to show I have no reason to hide that link (and, in fact, you should have reason to hide it, since it betrays you for what you are):
HEY EVERYONE, CLICK >>>HERE<<< TO SEE THE ARTICLE AGAIN. See y'all in November.
Jesus is already in this. He was from the beginning, and will be forever, amen. Sorry your faith, whatever it is, does not share that belief.
Because anyone reading this thread would have already seen it, and any half-wit who wanted to see it again could scroll up and click on it if they needed to. It's not like your posts go away on this forum. I did not try to get your post banned or hidden or the link severed. I invite everyone to read it, and see for themselves that Obama follows at least some Christian values, if not all of them.
Those who think it's a bad thing to love your neighbor are half way to hell. Jesus asks so little of us, just two tiny little commandments. Obama may or may not follow the first (some of his legislation seems to indicate he doesn't), but if that article is true, he seems to have the second down. I can't say whether he's a Christian or not. That's between him and God.
But I can say that anyone who thinks it's bad to follow Jesus probably isn't Christian, and I honestly don't understand your motivation for insisting on repeating to this thread how at odds you are with Christ. In fact, reading the article almost made me want to vote for the guy. Almost. He certainly displays more Christ-like behavior than Romney.
But, just to show I have no reason to hide that link (and, in fact, you should have reason to hide it, since it betrays you for what you are):
HEY EVERYONE, CLICK >>>HERE<<< TO SEE THE ARTICLE AGAIN. See y'all in November.
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Don't blame Jesus for your ignorance and worldliness.
You haven't read how it goes before The Consummation of all things. If you had, you'd be taking a closer look at your sweet communitarianism.
You may be the most dangerous sort in the church today.
The fact you can even combine Jesus Christ's Name with your beloved politicians is disgusting.
"if that article is true?"
Ugh.
Recognizing the evil in power today = thinking it's "bad to follow Jesus"?
I don't think you're that naive. Maybe you are (I hope so - the alternative is unspeakable)
Your liberal indoc is so embedded I doubt you can unlearn.
Do with the information provided what you will ( no doubt derision and whining as you talk anyone who listens straight into the worst system this planet has has ever seen).
If you love Christ and humanity get off your duff and do something yourself according to the scriptures (hint - The Gospel) instead of laying out the red carpet for Satan to trample the POOR AND WEAK - yet again.
Simple just for DIVA:
1) problem
2) reaction
3) FINAL SOLUTION
A. A Constitutional Republic – The United States of America – Government of the People – American's Individual Freedom (1775 – ) power inherent in the people. United States of America: Individual Rights of the Common Born Man. (national law) – Locke, Paine, List and Bastiat
B. A communist government – The former Soviet Union – Government of the State – Marx's Theory of World Communism (1847- ) power inherent in the state. Communism: "The Common Good of the Party", sacrificing individuals. Frederick Engels revised Hegel's theory to suit his needs, and then passed them on to Karl Marx, who rewrote them with "proper revolutionary flair". The Communist Manifesto was published in 1848.
C. The coming New World Order / Global Governance / The Third Way / Communitarianism / Corporatism - Government of the Community – The Communitarian Third Way (2002 – ) power inherent in the global community. The Third Way: elitist social justice enacted by sacrificing individual rights. Includes: faith-based initiatives, community governments, community policing, limiting individual's privacy, and the total elimination of individual's right to bear arms. It will institute communitarian laws (by way of facilitators and agents of change), launching state interventions in private matters; easing the way for confiscation and redistribution of individual wealth in the United States of America.
The Third Way / NWO / Global Governance / Communitarianism / Corporatism is being brought to fruition by means of George W.F. Hegel, the nineteenth century German philosopher. Hegel turned the concept of Socratic reasoning (the Socratic method) upside down by equalizing Thesis and Antithesis; making all intellectual positions relative by means of the Hegelian Dialectic and through the abolition of absolute truth. Instead, “truth” is now found in Synthesis – a compromise of Thesis and Antithesis, and is no longer the starting point in the cognitive reasoning process.
Hegelian Dialectic - George W F Hegel's " 3rd Way " | Morning Liberty Radio Program
Congratulations, Diva. This wouldn't be so easy for them but for the "loving" folks like you.
When you see the REAL IRON fist pulled out the velvet glove for the Last Time, remember how much you clambered for it...and brow-beat and cajoled everyone else into doing it too.
You haven't read how it goes before The Consummation of all things. If you had, you'd be taking a closer look at your sweet communitarianism.
You may be the most dangerous sort in the church today.
The fact you can even combine Jesus Christ's Name with your beloved politicians is disgusting.
"if that article is true?"
Ugh.
Recognizing the evil in power today = thinking it's "bad to follow Jesus"?
I don't think you're that naive. Maybe you are (I hope so - the alternative is unspeakable)
Your liberal indoc is so embedded I doubt you can unlearn.
Do with the information provided what you will ( no doubt derision and whining as you talk anyone who listens straight into the worst system this planet has has ever seen).
If you love Christ and humanity get off your duff and do something yourself according to the scriptures (hint - The Gospel) instead of laying out the red carpet for Satan to trample the POOR AND WEAK - yet again.
Simple just for DIVA:
1) problem
2) reaction
3) FINAL SOLUTION
UNDERSTANDING THE HEGELIAN DIALECTIC
AND ITS GENESIS: A NEW WORLD ORDER
THE COMMUNITARIAN THIRD WAY
AND ITS GENESIS: A NEW WORLD ORDER
THE COMMUNITARIAN THIRD WAY
A. A Constitutional Republic – The United States of America – Government of the People – American's Individual Freedom (1775 – ) power inherent in the people. United States of America: Individual Rights of the Common Born Man. (national law) – Locke, Paine, List and Bastiat
B. A communist government – The former Soviet Union – Government of the State – Marx's Theory of World Communism (1847- ) power inherent in the state. Communism: "The Common Good of the Party", sacrificing individuals. Frederick Engels revised Hegel's theory to suit his needs, and then passed them on to Karl Marx, who rewrote them with "proper revolutionary flair". The Communist Manifesto was published in 1848.
C. The coming New World Order / Global Governance / The Third Way / Communitarianism / Corporatism - Government of the Community – The Communitarian Third Way (2002 – ) power inherent in the global community. The Third Way: elitist social justice enacted by sacrificing individual rights. Includes: faith-based initiatives, community governments, community policing, limiting individual's privacy, and the total elimination of individual's right to bear arms. It will institute communitarian laws (by way of facilitators and agents of change), launching state interventions in private matters; easing the way for confiscation and redistribution of individual wealth in the United States of America.
The Third Way / NWO / Global Governance / Communitarianism / Corporatism is being brought to fruition by means of George W.F. Hegel, the nineteenth century German philosopher. Hegel turned the concept of Socratic reasoning (the Socratic method) upside down by equalizing Thesis and Antithesis; making all intellectual positions relative by means of the Hegelian Dialectic and through the abolition of absolute truth. Instead, “truth” is now found in Synthesis – a compromise of Thesis and Antithesis, and is no longer the starting point in the cognitive reasoning process.
Hegelian Dialectic - George W F Hegel's " 3rd Way " | Morning Liberty Radio Program
Congratulations, Diva. This wouldn't be so easy for them but for the "loving" folks like you.
When you see the REAL IRON fist pulled out the velvet glove for the Last Time, remember how much you clambered for it...and brow-beat and cajoled everyone else into doing it too.
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It was so easy for them.
All these "enlightened liberal women" getting their college and university re-educations.
Change up the language a little...make it all so "communal" and "can't we all just get along at last"??
We're so humanitarian, we'll pretend we don't see who is really in power and what it really means.
Those aren't really bombs and camps...They're sweetness and light.
PROGRESS.
All these "enlightened liberal women" getting their college and university re-educations.
Change up the language a little...make it all so "communal" and "can't we all just get along at last"??
We're so humanitarian, we'll pretend we don't see who is really in power and what it really means.
Those aren't really bombs and camps...They're sweetness and light.
PROGRESS.
E
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution
Table of Contents
Preface
Chapter 1 The Actors on the Revolutionary Stage
Chapter 2 Trotsky Leaves New York to Complete the Revolution
Chapter 3 Lenin and German Assistance for the Bolshevik Revolution
Chapter 4 Wall Street and World Revolution
Chapter 5 The American Red Cross Mission in Russia — 1917
Chapter 6 Consolidation and Export of the Revolution
Chapter 7 The Bolsheviks Return to New York
Chapter 8 120 Broadway, New York City
Chapter 9 Guaranty Trust Goes to Russia
Chapter 10 J. P. Morgan Gives a Little Help to the Other Side
Chapter 11 The Alliance of Bankers and Revolution
Wall Street and the Bolshevil Revolution by Antony C. Sutton
What?
they're one group?
Oh dear Oh dear.
Table of Contents
Preface
Chapter 1 The Actors on the Revolutionary Stage
Chapter 2 Trotsky Leaves New York to Complete the Revolution
Chapter 3 Lenin and German Assistance for the Bolshevik Revolution
Chapter 4 Wall Street and World Revolution
Chapter 5 The American Red Cross Mission in Russia — 1917
Chapter 6 Consolidation and Export of the Revolution
Chapter 7 The Bolsheviks Return to New York
Chapter 8 120 Broadway, New York City
Chapter 9 Guaranty Trust Goes to Russia
Chapter 10 J. P. Morgan Gives a Little Help to the Other Side
Chapter 11 The Alliance of Bankers and Revolution
Wall Street and the Bolshevil Revolution by Antony C. Sutton
What?
they're one group?
Oh dear Oh dear.
E
WORLDWIDE REPRESSION BY CONSENT 101
It was Hegel's view that all things unfold in a continuing evolutionary process whereby each idea or quality (the thesis) inevitably brings forth its opposite (the antithesis). From that interaction, a third state emerges in which the opposites are integrated, overcome, and fulfilled in a richer and higher synthesis. This synthesis then becomes the basis for another dialectical process of opposition and synthesis. Hegel believed that the creative stress of opposing positions was essential for developing higher states of consciousness.
In the moment of synthesis, the opposites are both preserved and transcended, negated and fulfilled." The new theory was dialectical as well as materialist: it envisaged change, constant and inherent change; and in that never-ending flux the ideas emanating from one period – would help to shape another.
In the book, Spiritual Politics by Corinne McLaughlin and Gordon Davidson, (Ballantine Books, New York, 1994) The authors write that spiritual politics is tied to "the Ageless Wisdom which is the "golden thread" that connects the esoteric or hidden teachings that underlie the ancient Chaldean, Egyptian, Hebrew, Hindu, Greek, Chinese, Buddhist, Christian and Islamic traditions. These truths were handed down through certain disciple or religious groups such as the Kabbalists, Druids, Essenes, Sufis, Knights Templar, Rosicrucians and Freemasons." (p.15)
Globalization, the NWO and The Third Way, etc., therefore, all have a spiritual, political and philosophical element to them, a spiritual element that is satanic.
It was Hegel's view that all things unfold in a continuing evolutionary process whereby each idea or quality (the thesis) inevitably brings forth its opposite (the antithesis). From that interaction, a third state emerges in which the opposites are integrated, overcome, and fulfilled in a richer and higher synthesis. This synthesis then becomes the basis for another dialectical process of opposition and synthesis. Hegel believed that the creative stress of opposing positions was essential for developing higher states of consciousness.
In the moment of synthesis, the opposites are both preserved and transcended, negated and fulfilled." The new theory was dialectical as well as materialist: it envisaged change, constant and inherent change; and in that never-ending flux the ideas emanating from one period – would help to shape another.
In the book, Spiritual Politics by Corinne McLaughlin and Gordon Davidson, (Ballantine Books, New York, 1994) The authors write that spiritual politics is tied to "the Ageless Wisdom which is the "golden thread" that connects the esoteric or hidden teachings that underlie the ancient Chaldean, Egyptian, Hebrew, Hindu, Greek, Chinese, Buddhist, Christian and Islamic traditions. These truths were handed down through certain disciple or religious groups such as the Kabbalists, Druids, Essenes, Sufis, Knights Templar, Rosicrucians and Freemasons." (p.15)
Globalization, the NWO and The Third Way, etc., therefore, all have a spiritual, political and philosophical element to them, a spiritual element that is satanic.
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In “One On One: Regulating the Pursuit of Self” (Jerusalem Post, February 4, 2009), Amitai Etzioni states:
“There is no philosophy that better describes Obama’s position than Communitarianism,” which Etzioni defines as a term “that would speak for community and the common good.” (In his March 4, 1801 inaugural address, while referring to majority rule and minority rights, Thomas Jefferson was the first president to refer to the “common good.”
Interestingly, Etzioni in his The Essential Communitarian Reader (p. ix) said the term was coined in 1841 by John Goodwyn Barmby, who founded the Universal Communitarian Association (originally called the Communist Propaganda Society). In Dana Milbank’s “Needed: Catchword for Bush Ideology; ‘Communitarianism’ Finds Favor” (The Washington Post, February 1, 2001), Etzioni was quoted as saying George W. Bush’s Inaugural Address was “a Communitarian Text.”
“There is no philosophy that better describes Obama’s position than Communitarianism,” which Etzioni defines as a term “that would speak for community and the common good.” (In his March 4, 1801 inaugural address, while referring to majority rule and minority rights, Thomas Jefferson was the first president to refer to the “common good.”
Interestingly, Etzioni in his The Essential Communitarian Reader (p. ix) said the term was coined in 1841 by John Goodwyn Barmby, who founded the Universal Communitarian Association (originally called the Communist Propaganda Society). In Dana Milbank’s “Needed: Catchword for Bush Ideology; ‘Communitarianism’ Finds Favor” (The Washington Post, February 1, 2001), Etzioni was quoted as saying George W. Bush’s Inaugural Address was “a Communitarian Text.”
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What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea - a new world order...to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind...based upon shared principles and the rule of law.... The illumination of a thousand points of light.... The winds of change are with us now.
President Bush - In his State of the Union message during the Gulf War.
[The occultist Alice Bailey refers to the “thousand points of light” as man’s inner being from the sun god (Shamash / Ra), and men who are in the occult leadership called the “New Group of World Servers”, a part of the Brotherhood]
OH NO! THEY'RE CHRISTIANS...REALLY THEY ARE.
SURELY THEY DON'T MEAN ANY HARM.
We're only in 15 illegal wars and sponsoring terrorism around the world - ITS PROGRESS!
It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance.
President Bush addressing the General Assembly of the U.N., February 1, 1992
We have a much bigger objective. We've got to look at the long run here. This is an example - the situation between the United Nations and Iraq - where the United Nations is deliberately intruding into the sovereignty of a sovereign nation.... Now this is a marvelous precedent (to be used in) all countries of the world...."
Stansfield Turner, CFR member and former CIA director, when asked about Iraq on CNN during the gulf war.
We are beginning to see practical support. And this is a very significant sign of the movement towards a new era, a new age.... We see both in our country and elsewhere... ghosts of the old thinking.... When we rid ourselves of their presence, we will be better able to move toward a new world order...relying on the relevent mechanisms of the United Nations.
Soviet President Gorbachev at the Middle East Peace Talks in Madrid (1991)
In my view The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power - political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical. All this is to be done in the interest of creating a more peaceful, more productive world community. What the Trilateralists truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved. They believe the abundant materialism they propose to create will overwhelm existing differences. As managers and creators of the system they will rule the future.
U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater, Republican candidate for President in 1964, in With no Apologies
... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people - will hate the new world order - and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people.
H. G. Wells, in The New World Order (1939)
President Bush - In his State of the Union message during the Gulf War.
[The occultist Alice Bailey refers to the “thousand points of light” as man’s inner being from the sun god (Shamash / Ra), and men who are in the occult leadership called the “New Group of World Servers”, a part of the Brotherhood]
OH NO! THEY'RE CHRISTIANS...REALLY THEY ARE.
SURELY THEY DON'T MEAN ANY HARM.
We're only in 15 illegal wars and sponsoring terrorism around the world - ITS PROGRESS!
It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance.
President Bush addressing the General Assembly of the U.N., February 1, 1992
We have a much bigger objective. We've got to look at the long run here. This is an example - the situation between the United Nations and Iraq - where the United Nations is deliberately intruding into the sovereignty of a sovereign nation.... Now this is a marvelous precedent (to be used in) all countries of the world...."
Stansfield Turner, CFR member and former CIA director, when asked about Iraq on CNN during the gulf war.
We are beginning to see practical support. And this is a very significant sign of the movement towards a new era, a new age.... We see both in our country and elsewhere... ghosts of the old thinking.... When we rid ourselves of their presence, we will be better able to move toward a new world order...relying on the relevent mechanisms of the United Nations.
Soviet President Gorbachev at the Middle East Peace Talks in Madrid (1991)
In my view The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power - political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical. All this is to be done in the interest of creating a more peaceful, more productive world community. What the Trilateralists truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved. They believe the abundant materialism they propose to create will overwhelm existing differences. As managers and creators of the system they will rule the future.
U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater, Republican candidate for President in 1964, in With no Apologies
... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people - will hate the new world order - and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people.
H. G. Wells, in The New World Order (1939)