Is Obama Communist or Muslim?

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TheGrungeDiva

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Several people have pointed out to me that what "qualifies" someone as being Muslim or not is a little different than I had initially thought.

I had thought that it was similar to Christianity. That if you weren't "practicing," if you didn't follow some minimal set of Muslim principals, the Muslim community considered you an infidel, no longer part of their community. I do know that there are different sects within Islam, and they may disagree significantly on what is "okay" or "not okay," but that there was some basic minimum. Like in Christianity, I think even the most liberal Christians would say, if you don't believe in Jesus, you're really not a Christian. You may be a nice person, and you may be "walking the walk," but if you don't believe in Jesus at all, you just can't claim that title. (And why would you want to, anyway?)

Apparently, Islam is more akin to Judaism than Christianity in this respect. It is possible -- and in fact common -- to be a "Jew" and not to follow the commandments, not to keep kosher, not even to believe in God. Judaism is seen as much an ethnicity as a religion. A Jew would say, if your mother was Jewish, you're Jewish, no matter what. You may be an apostate Jew if you decide to believe in Jesus, but you're still a Jew. If your mother was not Jewish, you're not Jewish, unless you convert (and some of the sects don't even really trust those who convert).

In Islam, it follows the father's line. If your father is a Muslim, then you're a Muslim. I have heard this from several credible authorities. So, most of the Muslim community would say that Obama is an apostate Muslim. He does not follow the Koran, and even the most liberal Muslims would say he's not really "one of them," but he is Muslim.

So, let this go down in history: I am admitting I was wrong. :)

Of course, it doesn't change the fact that, when most people accuse Barack of being "Muslim" they don't mean just that his father was one. They mean they think he's still a friend to Muslims, and wants to enact Sharia law, which is totally ridiculous. He has far too much Muslim blood on his hands for that.
 

Elizabeth619

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Elizabeth, Obama said he was a practicing Muslim when he was a boy growing up in Indonesia, so the answer is technically yes. His step-dad was a Muslim who brought him up going to mosque.

However, he never to my knowledge said he was a practicing Muslim in recent history. His church has a very complicated theology, and his pastor said Obama accepted Christianity without renouncing Islam, so the issue is kind of fuzzy.
Ok, thanks. I wasn't clear on all that.
I will say this though. Just because he grew up Muslim does not mean he is one today. To the best of my knowledge he was born in to the religon. He is Muslim by birth, but that does not mean he is one spiritually.
 
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AgapeSpiritEyes

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Any classifacations of Obama can not be in pure definition or definitions, This age is mostly described more accurately in Daniel in the Image of the collective ages we being in the ten toes of mixture of clay and iron which is a mixture of different and extremes blended together producing weak and unreasonable mixtures, of which Obama has done to our government constitution, He had foisted His vision what ever that is which has not been explained to the point that no President has ever done He has broken the Constitutional powers of the executive branch committed four impeachable offensive acts tramples upon the Laws of the constitution, has the spirit of lawlessness about our Constitution and the laws of power of our Government, allows lies to be broadcasted is an accuser of evil, back bites His opponets, is rude to those who ask questions about his actions as a servant of the citizens of the U.S. looks for evil in His opponets tears his opponets down to find evil and wrong in them. The most secretive president of all will not disclose his education record . In 2002 before congress He acted to be an accomplice for the partial birth abortion by saying."That if it is a fetus or a child what ever you want to call it comes out (of it's mother)with a little movement then a second doctor shall examine it to deterime if any life is in it." The son of Destruction a title of the antichrist well Obama is not THE antichrist but that spirit is upon him. A week ago i read a reporter ask him if he would prove his christian faith, He said He did not have to prove it, How about faith (profession verbally) with out actions or proof? is dead being by it self faith with out the work of the Holy Spirit is dead, works of the Holy Spirit through us are: Agape does THE Agape of our Lord and our Father agree with abortion even when the baby is out of it's mother? Does Agape have selfishness causing discord chaos and opening the opportunity of evil thinking and evil actions? Other fruits of the Holy SPIRIT are righteousness, purity peace and a peace maker, patience, kindness, meekness, temprence and active vibrant faith. He abuses the resources that are provided to execute His service to the citizens plays over 100 rounds of golf says he is working hard for us when you look up his daily schedule majority of he days he lists one meeting for the whole day and nothing else.
He went on a late night show talked about his High School days of drug use laughing about how he wrote about it in his book, where was the opportunity for his faith working by the Holy Spirit witness of Jesus repenting confessing it is and was wrong?
I observe what he has show to us as his own witness and testimony (Oh yes what is his testimony i never have heard that) both by his words and his actions they are not reflective of Jesus. I hate his actions but pray God and Jesus' mercy on his mind soul and spirit to saving of he and his family.
 

Dude653

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The president can worship Mickey Mouse for all I care.....I know who my God is
 
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He was schooled in a Muslim school, has been quite comfortable in Islamic settings. His first official trips were to Islamic lands. His staff represents much of what is wrong in America.

Communism is not socialism, it is a form of, in the area of state control - however the equality component is required by communism. Obama has show no equality across the board to be applicable. However, he does advocate social reforms wherein government becomes the controller of private enterprise.

Vote him in for a second term and you will get all the proof you need concerning socialism, because he will have nothing to lose across those next four years.

Personally, I believe the democratic and republican parties are both driven by socialist goals, one just wants change faster than the other. Hence, I stay well away from any political battle and vote for the best candidate, usually third party - and no one I vote for ever gets in but I did vote the best, not a party.
 

Elizabeth619

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His staff represents much of what is wrong in America.
America was in trouble long before him and his staff appeared.

People can blame Obama, Bush, Clinton, and even Pee Wee Herman for all I care. The US has been "falling" for quite some time. You cannot blame it on just one person and their administration.
 
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quakerzen

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What makes a "socialist."
Because fellow Christians in Sweden might get REALLY offended by your definition. Free education is a kind of "socialism," way more than Obamacare is.

Also, 100% not a Muslim. I don't understand why people can't grasp this...
 
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Daniel94

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I was reading the previous replies and it was said that Obama "follows" the Christian faith. Now my question is what about his comment where he said that Jesus is not the only way to Heaven? For reference I will post couple different websites.....

Obama Suggests Jesus Christ Not the Only Way to Heaven

Obama: Jesus is NOT the Only way to God | AudacityOfHypocrisy.com

My point is that no matter how good of a person you are you must accept Jesus.....

John 14:6 (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:6 (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

As for the original question...I can't say he is Muslim, I can't say he is Christian, I can't say he is Hindu, I can't say he is Buddhist, I can't say he follows Shinto, or any other religion you want to throw out there. Neither can any of you. What he believes is between him and God.

As for him being "communist/socialist" I don't think he is communist, but he may be socialist. Honestly, though I don't think socialism is the problem. Remember what we need for something to become a law...

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My point is Obama can't make us a socialistic society on his own. He is going to need a mass group of socialistic followers to fill the House of Representatives and the Senate with socialists. Obama does not run this country on his own.
 
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dmdave17

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He was schooled in a Muslim school, has been quite comfortable in Islamic settings. His first official trips were to Islamic lands. His staff represents much of what is wrong in America.

Communism is not socialism, it is a form of, in the area of state control - however the equality component is required by communism. Obama has show no equality across the board to be applicable. However, he does advocate social reforms wherein government becomes the controller of private enterprise.

Vote him in for a second term and you will get all the proof you need concerning socialism, because he will have nothing to lose across those next four years.

Personally, I believe the democratic and republican parties are both driven by socialist goals, one just wants change faster than the other. Hence, I stay well away from any political battle and vote for the best candidate, usually third party - and no one I vote for ever gets in but I did vote the best, not a party.
Chip,

While I agree with your assessment, this may be one time where you might want to rethink your strategy. In Barack Obama, we have a president who (a) has said publicly that America is not a Christian nation any more, (b) come out in favor of gay marriage, and (c) thinks the government knows more about, well just about everything, than anyone else; just to name a few.

As one who has watched the deterioration (yes, I said it) of this country for the past 40 years, I believe that this upcoming election represents a watershed in America's history. If we choose the wrong direction, I believe that we may have blown our last chance for God's continued providence. I have been reading a lot of the Old Testament recently and what has come through to me loud and clear is that God finally "pulled the trigger" on sinful Israel and Judah when they refused to repent.

Mitt Romney may not represent the absolutely right direction, but I believe in my heart that Barack Obama represents the absolutely wrong direction. And these are our only viable choices. Voting for a third party candidate just increases the possibility that the president could get re-elected.

Last election, 40 million evangelical Christians apparently stayed home, even though no less of an authority than Rush Limbaugh warned that "elections have consequences". And what resulted was what we have today. If that happens again come November, we may end up finding out what it is like to be both Socialist and Muslim.

God bless us all.
 
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From my standpoint, he represented himself at a Christian at his announcement speech of seeking the presidency. I was delighted, his words rang true, I was awed that here was a black American running for the highest office - and a Christian to boot. Of course, then all of the controversy starts up. Leaving one to wonder exactly what have we got in office?

At home, I am surrounded by a fairly conservative crowd, whom are concerned at my liberalism. However, I am apolitical, I do not care much for politics, nor those whom seek office. But was interested in seeing what kind of reaction my observations would raise..... Is this crowd, conservative, liberal or non caring like me?
 
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nw2u

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I think he is. Yes...............Both I mean.
 
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quakerzen

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I mean obviously the communist thing would be a concern (if it was true, it's not) but does it really matter what religion our president is?
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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I was reading the previous replies and it was said that Obama "follows" the Christian faith. Now my question is what about his comment where he said that Jesus is not the only way to Heaven? For reference I will post couple different websites.....
I do appreciate that you back-up what you say with links and substance. Thank you.

My only response is this: there are a lot of people in this world who claim the title "Christian" and who also think Jesus is not the only way to heaven. You may say they are all wrong, but it's not just President Obama you're excluding from that circle. Some of the most respected theologians have made Scriptural arguments against your premise.

I know most Fundamentalists believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven. However, Fundamentalists are not the only Christians.

Obama is certainly not a Fundamentalist. I don't think you'll find any argument there. That doesn't mean he's not a Christian.

I'd be happy to share with you the Biblical arguments against this "Jesus only" philosophy, if you're interested, but it would be off-topic.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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In Barack Obama, we have a president who (a) has said publicly that America is not a Christian nation any more,
Are you arguing otherwise?

If so, please provide any support in favor of that assertion. Where, in the US Constitution, does it say this? Or maybe you only believe in Scriptural authority? Fine. Where in the Bible does it say that America is a Christian nation?

(b) come out in favor of gay marriage,
This is a valid concern, and one for one of the many threads in this forum devoted to that topic.

(c) thinks the government knows more about, well just about everything, than anyone else;
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here. Because we live in a democratic republic, "the government" is "us." So, you are accusing Mr. Obama of saying that "we know more about everything than we know." Huh? See, that makes no sense.

So I need a clarification of what you mean. Are you referring to some specific statement that Obama said? If so, please quote it in its context, and indicate why what he is saying is a bad thing.

If we choose the wrong direction, I believe that we may have blown our last chance for God's continued providence.
You seem to be implying that the U.S. has, or at least has had in the past, some sort of "cosmic favor" in God's eyes. Am I misunderstanding this, or is this indeed what you are saying?

If this is not what you are saying, then perhaps you can clarify what you mean.

If I am understanding you correctly, can you please answer a few questions for me:
1) Do you believe that this "favored nation status" we supposedly have, or had, with God, is due to our national policies? Like, the more godly we act, the more "favored" we are in God's eyes, and conversely, the less godly we act, the less "favored" we are?

2) If so, do you think that we had this "favored nation" status in God's eyes when slavery was not only legal but encouraged? Did God think that our treatment of people with darker skin as cattle was godly, or at least more forgivable than, say, allowing gay people to marry? When, exactly, did we gain this status? What actions risk loosing it? What did we do to gain it?

3) Is this "favored nation status" bestowed on us based on how many of us are practicing the right religion? Or on how good we are? If 99% of the country goes to a Christian church every Sunday, but doesn't feed the poor, visit the imprisoned, care for the sick, etc., does that give us more value points in the Divine Coupon Book than if we were 50% atheist, and yet all our poor were taken care of, no one were homeless or hungry, criminals were dealt with humanely, etc.?

I just want to understand how this works in your mind.

Mitt Romney may not represent the absolutely right direction, but I believe in my heart that Barack Obama represents the absolutely wrong direction.
You can believe that in your heart. You can believe that in your mind. You can believe it in your pancreas for all the difference it makes.

Barack's domestic policies are far more in line with the Gospel than Mitt's. Whether or not Barack realizes it, he is doing the work of Jesus. He is the son who said, "No, Father, I won't do what you asked," and then decided to go ahead and do it, while Mitt is the son who said, "Sure, Dad, I can do that," but then didn't do it. Jesus doesn't care what you say with your mouth. He doesn't care if you talk the talk, only if you walk the walk.

As for foreign policy, BOTH candidates are 100% wrong on that. The third choice is the only one who has that one right. So we have three candidates, none of whom are the right direction, and two of whom are only 1/2 right. Mitt is the only one who's 100% wrong.

And these are our only viable choices. Voting for a third party candidate just increases the possibility that the president could get re-elected.
Which would be less bad than Mitt getting elected.

... even though no less of an authority than Rush Limbaugh ....
Seriously?

Face :: Palm

Seriously?

God bless us all.
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TheGrungeDiva

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From my standpoint, he represented himself at a Christian at his announcement speech of seeking the presidency. I was delighted, his words rang true, I was awed that here was a black American running for the highest office - and a Christian to boot. Of course, then all of the controversy starts up. Leaving one to wonder exactly what have we got in office?

At home, I am surrounded by a fairly conservative crowd, whom are concerned at my liberalism. However, I am apolitical, I do not care much for politics, nor those whom seek office. But was interested in seeing what kind of reaction my observations would raise..... Is this crowd, conservative, liberal or non caring like me?
Most of this crowd is conservative. There are a few liberals, like myself and Nautilus, and a few others.

The few, the proud :)