Is Ron Paul Christian?

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Katy-follower

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I'm looking at who is running..

Mit Romney is Mormon. (Mormonism is part of the freemasonry/all seeing eye cult from Egypt)

Gary Johnson - unknown

Ron Paul - says online he's a Christian. Is this true?
 

Nautilus

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I think he is but certainly doesnt make him worth voting for.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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ron paul is a professing christian...baptist i think... his political ideology however is not very christian...it is mainly based on self gratification...

ron paul will not be on the ballot anyway...he lost to romney in the republican presidential primary...and he says he does not want to be a write in candidate...

gary johnson is a 'non practicing lutheran'...i cannot tell you what is in his heart...but that kind of terminology is -usually- used to describe a person who has been baptized in a church but hasn't cared much about their faith since then...

romney is a mormon of course...and i understand that a lot of christians regard mormonism as a non christian religion...however i will point out that the definition of 'christian' that is usually used to disqualify mormonism would also disqualify oneness pentecostals and many quakers along with the majority of the members of 'mainline' churches such as the evangelical lutheran church in america and the presbyterian church USA and the united methodist church and the united church of christ...and so on... is everyone just as willing to label these people as non christians too?

i am not defending mormonism here...just offering something to think about...

i will also add that whatever you think of their religious beliefs...the majority of mormons have stronger christian values than many professing christians...and you would expect a mormon president's policies to reflect those values...

with all that said...i don't think a politician's religion should matter very much...neither the bible nor the constitution say that the leaders of nations have to be christians... it seems to me that God cares more about the policies of the nation...i think God would be pleased with a nation that observes righteous policies regardless of the religion of the president who is instituting the policies...

after all...we are not electing a pastor to oversee our spiritual lives...we are electing a president to oversee economic policy and foreign policy and defense policy and social policy and so on...

vote for the candidate with the most God pleasing policies who can win...
 
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1still_waters

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Thomas Jefferson created The Jefferson Bible where he redacted huge parts of the Gospels. Totally distorting and destroying the Gospel.

My point?

Many Christians still look up to him. If they can still look up to him, why can't they consider voting for Mitt Romney?
 

Nautilus

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Katy-follower

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Just my thoughts today...

I think regardless of who gets in the world is heading in the same direction, with one government, one religion and one monetary system.

Remember the days of Rome - the emperors wanted a one world system so they could have ultimate control over the people - political, religious and monetary control. They were government, they set up their own Roman religion and they had their own Roman money that you could not buy or sell without it.

Today....

The European Union is the revived Roman Empire (Look up Rome Treaty)
The ecumenical movement is an attempt to bring all religions together under Rome's leadership
Vatican influences US Government policy (also - many whitehouse members are Jesuits, inc VP Joe Biden)
 
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meecha

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amazing to me that American Christians are not flocking to Ron Paul. He would render Roe v Wade dead with the stroke of a pen. Ron Paul is simply awesome...there is nothing like him in western politics ..a man who never voted for a tax increase and the man behind audit the Fed....the man who has taught what the Bible teaches....that Inflation is a crime because it is theft....and the man who wants to end America's barbaric wars in the middle east ...a man who loves and supports homeschoolers ( most of them Christians) and would abolish the humanist dept of education. Ron Paul is a no brainer for Christians. He means what he says.
 
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jimmydiggs

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amazing to me that American Christians are not flocking to Ron Paul. He would render Roe v Wade dead with the stroke of a pen. Ron Paul is simply awesome...there is nothing like him in western politics ..a man who never voted for a tax increase and the man behind audit the Fed....the man who has taught what the Bible teaches....that Inflation is a crime because it is theft....and the man who wants to end America's barbaric wars in the middle east ...a man who loves and supports homeschoolers ( most of them Christians) and would abolish the humanist dept of education. Ron Paul is a no brainer for Christians. He means what he says.
A lot of people are Neo-cons pretending they're not.
 

Nautilus

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amazing to me that American Christians are not flocking to Ron Paul. He would render Roe v Wade dead with the stroke of a pen. Ron Paul is simply awesome...there is nothing like him in western politics ..a man who never voted for a tax increase and the man behind audit the Fed....the man who has taught what the Bible teaches....that Inflation is a crime because it is theft....and the man who wants to end America's barbaric wars in the middle east ...a man who loves and supports homeschoolers ( most of them Christians) and would abolish the humanist dept of education. Ron Paul is a no brainer for Christians. He means what he says.
Unless you happen to be a christian who disagrees with about everything you listed, except for the tax thing. And I don't think the economic benefits are worth the social liabilities.
 

TheAristocat

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I guess though I support him on zero social issues and probably just as many of his economic plans. Also I personally wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror if I helped elect the current type of conservatives this country has into office.
Based on a compatibility test with Mitt Romney I'm only like 61% similar to him. I was like 12% similar with Obama, and about 80% similar with Ron Paul. I think Mr. Paul is just crazy enough to turn back some major infringements upon the populace by the government. Obama's health care plan is a little shady, even if it can't be enforced. You don't have to buy insurance even if they will charge you extra taxes if you don't. But what's more you don't even have to pay the extra taxes. That's what I'm saying when it's not going to be enforced. Doesn't make much sense to me. Just the government complicating things with unecessary laws and trying their best to make the people dependant.

I think I'm still going to write Ron Paul down when I go to vote. Like you, I'd hate to vote for one of the war-crazy conservatives or the big government socialist liberals. Ron Paul is the next best thing in my opinion.
 

Nautilus

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Im voting Obama...siply because his social policies are similar to mine. Republicans/Conservatives social policies as a whole are not
 
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meecha

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Unless you happen to be a christian who disagrees with about everything you listed, except for the tax thing. And I don't think the economic benefits are worth the social liabilities.
Nautilus....do you disagree with

1 Audit the Fed

2 Abortion on demand

do you agree with

3 Going to war without a congressional declaration of war

4 Central banks printing money as a solution to economic crisiies brought about by government promoted debt.
 

Nautilus

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Nautilus....do you disagree with

1 Audit the Fed

2 Abortion on demand

do you agree with

3 Going to war without a congressional declaration of war

4 Central banks printing money as a solution to economic crisiies brought about by government promoted debt.
1. Auditing the Fed costs money. And unless he has a plan on what to do after the audit is really pointless. Besides do you honestly believe congress would allow that?

2. While I don't support all cases of abortion I do believe it is a necessary evil in society and removing it would cause more harm than good. Not all abortions are reasonable i.e., you got drunk and didn't use protection, while other abortions I feel are while unfortunate, understandable such as in the cases of rape/incest or harm to the mother.

3. War is another necessary evil. Are the wars we are know worthwhile/ Possibly, eradicating Al-Qaeda would actually be a good thing. American occupation of Middle Eastern countries not so much.

4. Not as informed on the last one, but also not as concerned.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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I guess though I support him on zero social issues and probably just as many of his economic plans. Also I personally wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror if I helped elect the current type of conservatives this country has into office.
I actually agree with him 100% on his international policy. He's the ONLY candidate who was making sense of the whole Middle East mess. But his economic ideas, you're right, would ruin the country. I'd like to see Obama re-elected, for the good of the national economic situation (because his domestic policies are actually helping: the recession is finally turning around, and considering what he inherited, what he's accomplished in 4 years is impressive), and then appoint Paul to oversee the situation in the Middle East and stop messing around with it, because he's almost as bad, maybe worse, than Bush was with that.

Isn't Paul also in favor of the decriminalization of marijuana?
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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The European Union is the revived Roman Empire (Look up Rome Treaty)
Except that its financial headquarters is in Belgium, almost as far away as you can get from Rome and still be within the Euro zone. But yes, I'll grant you that at least economically it's similar.

The ecumenical movement is an attempt to bring all religions together under Rome's leadership
Ummm..... No. The Roman Catholic Church, although it doesn't mind the occasional picnic or softball game with a protestant church, has absolutely NO interest in "bringing all religions together under Rome's leadership." Rome still sees the Protestants as ... well, as protesting. And Protestants still disagree with Rome. I have been very active in a lot of ecumenical programs in my area, and, while they do sometimes include the local Catholic parish, I can promise you there is absolutely no chance of a "reunion" of Rome taking over all Christianity in the world. It just isn't going to happen any time in the next 200-300 years at least. (I can't predict what may happen further into the future than that.)

Vatican influences US Government policy (also - many whitehouse members are Jesuits, inc VP Joe Biden)
In our 250 years as a nation, exactly ONE president has been Catholic, and that one president held a lot of beliefs that went contrary to the "Roman Party Line." If anything, the US government has influenced the Vatican more than the other way around, though they would never admit it.
 
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I guess though I support him on zero social issues and probably just as many of his economic plans. Also I personally wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror if I helped elect the current type of conservatives this country has into office.
I wasn't able to for awhile, but then I changed my optical prescription.
 
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As for Dr. Paul's personal beliefs, I don't think there is really a way of knowing. If by Christian you mean Christian in culture, of course. Does he have a relationship with Christ? I have never heard him express any indication (not even a vague indication) of where he stands there.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Nautilus....do you disagree with

1 Audit the Fed

2 Abortion on demand

do you agree with

3 Going to war without a congressional declaration of war

4 Central banks printing money as a solution to economic crisiies brought about by government promoted debt.
I know you asked Nautilus, but I would like to answer each of these. Naut's answers were fine, but incomplete.

1. Audit of the Federal Government:
Every program of the Federal Government is ALREADY audited on a regular basis, based on its budget size. Findings of these audits are published and available to the public. What a brilliant campaign policy, to say "I think we should..." and then list something that's already in place. There's one promise you know you can keep.

2. Abortion on Demand
Abortion is a horrible answer to a tragic question, and sometimes a necessity. The only person who can decide when it is necessary is the woman, in consultation with her doctor. I can hope and pray that she would also ask God for guidance, but we cannot make that a national law, as we have a separation of Church and State.

And I can tell you from first-hand experience, that women who do ask God that question, sometimes God's answer is "yes." If God's answer is "yes," who are you to say "no?"

You, nor any government official, has any right to step into that decision.

3. Going to war without a congressional declaration of war
I do not agree with this. This is the ONE issue where Paul and I are in agreement. Obama, by the way, did have congressional support, so, while it seems clear he doesn't care if he has "permission" from the other branches of government, in this case (unfortunately) he does.

4. Central banks printing money as a solution to economic crisiies brought about by government promoted debt.
This is a far more complex issue than you're making it seem. First of all, to say that our economic crisis is "brought about by government-promoted debt" is disingenuous at best. More on that later. The fact is, we are in an economic crisis. You can assign blame if you like, but that won't get you out of the crisis.

I'm not sure if you've ever taken a course in economics. Economics is a branch of mathematics. There are formulas and proofs and statements as easily verified as "3x3=9" or debunked as "2+2=5." Among Economists, there are VERY few who don't agree that the Keynesian model is one of the best ways to respond to a recession. It worked in the 1930s, the last time the US faced a similar crisis. And it's working now. Part of Keynesian economics includes "stimulus spending." Bush was doing this before Obama became president, and Obama has continued the trend. Now, there are smart ways to stimulate the economy, and then there are less smart ways to do it. Generally, the two parties (dems and reps) disagree about which stimuli are best. But both parties agree that stimulating the economy is necessary. Your guy Paul is the lone wolf who says the way to get out of debt is to stop paying your bills. Let those debts just keep on accruing and building up. Ignore those "Second Notice" "Past Due" and "Final Warning" notices as they come in. Just don't spend another dime on them. Yeah, that'll work. </sarcasm>

So on the final exam, Mr. Paul gets 50%. Which is still a failing grade. Sorry. The sad thing is, NONE of the candidates do better than 75%, so at best we're stuck with a "C" president.