Israel Declares War

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ZNP

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"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. - Winston Churchill"

To the Peel Commission on a Jewish Homeland in Palestine, 1937.
WW2 should have caused everyone to repent of the sins their countries committed, rather than pretend that only Nazi Germany was evil. These things happen so that we can repent of our sins, not justify ourselves by accusing others of being evil.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. - Winston Churchill"

To the Peel Commission on a Jewish Homeland in Palestine, 1937.

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"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. - Winston Churchill"

To the Peel Commission on a Jewish Homeland in Palestine, 1937.
I thought that wreaked of Adolf Hitler but refrained from comment until I read this
I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas,” he told the House of Commons during an address in the autumn of 1937. “I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes.” He “disliked Hitler’s system” but “admired his patriotic achievement”…
 

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"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. - Winston Churchill"

To the Peel Commission on a Jewish Homeland in Palestine, 1937.
Hard to trust anything a free***n states.

They always play both sides depending on the audience.
 

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THAT IS A VERY FALSE AND EVIL STATEMENT. I will let God be the Judge. You have harped over and over again on John's use of "the Antichrist" but not once have you admitted that you are simply ignoring Bible prophecy. So I am done saying anything to you, especially since you connected a child of God with the Father of Lies. Shame on you.
You have falsely accused me and probably countless others during your time here, exaggerating to the point of being dishonest on a fairly regular basis, and there is no shame on me for pointing these deplorable behaviors of yours out to you. They have been pointed out to you before, but you lack the integrity to make changes. I am not ignoring prophesy, you simply lie and lie and lie again rather than admit that John is the only Bible writer to use the term antichrist, and that the AC/spirit of AC has been in the world for many hundreds of years.

Your tendency to exaggerate goes well beyond bending the truth.

I don't even expect an apology from you because your conscience is seared on this matter.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I thought that wreaked of Adolf Hitler but refrained from comment until I read this
I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas,” he told the House of Commons during an address in the autumn of 1937. “I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes.” He “disliked Hitler’s system” but “admired his patriotic achievement”…

And then there are facts...

https://winstonchurchill.org/public...rchill-advocated-the-first-use-of-lethal-gas/
 

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Hamas -- חָמָס châmâç, khaw-mawce'; from H2554; violence; by implication, wrong; by metonymy unjust gain:—cruel(-ty), damage, false, injustice, × oppressor, unrighteous, violence (against, done), violent (dealing), wrong.

The days of Noah

Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with Hamas. H2555

Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with Hamas H2555 through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Ishmael -- Sarah's Hamas

Genesis 16:5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My Hamas H2555 be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.

Some in Israel are also instruments of Hamas

Genesis 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of Hamas H2555 are in their habitations.

Do not be a Hamas witness at these protests

Exodus 23:1 Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an Hamas H2555 witness.

Reap what you sow

Psa 7:16 His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent H2555 dealing shall come down upon his own pate.

He that loves Hamas the Lord hates

Psa 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth Hamas H2555 his soul hateth.

Jesus

Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, H2555 neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Egypt and Jordan

Joel 3:19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence H2555 against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
 

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Per your own article...
Ten days later, Churchill addressed the India Office’s reluctance to use tear gas against rebel tribesmen on the Northwest Frontier:
Gas is a more merciful weapon than high explosive shell, and compels an enemy to accept a decision with less loss of life than any other agency of war. The moral effect is also very great. There can be no conceivable reason why it should not be resorted to. We have definitely taken the position of maintaining gas as a weapon in future warfare, and it is only ignorance on the part of the Indian military authorities which interposes any obstacle.3
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Per your own article...
Ten days later, Churchill addressed the India Office’s reluctance to use tear gas against rebel tribesmen on the Northwest Frontier:
Gas is a more merciful weapon than high explosive shell, and compels an enemy to accept a decision with less loss of life than any other agency of war. The moral effect is also very great. There can be no conceivable reason why it should not be resorted to. We have definitely taken the position of maintaining gas as a weapon in future warfare, and it is only ignorance on the part of the Indian military authorities which interposes any obstacle.3

Read the entire article, not just what you think agrees with your POV comparing Churchill to Hitler. smh
 

Magenta

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Come on brother. Just discuss with her without saying personal things. I'm not saying Magenta is right or wrong (I don't care to engage in yalls discussion), but she is absolutely a believer of God and our sister in Christ. It's okay to disagree on things.
Thank you, Smoke. Unfortunately N6 has a love of exaggeration and
false accusation, and he adamantly refuses to admit when he is wrong.
You may kind of get used to it after a while but that makes it no less acceptable.
 

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James O'Brien's simple question to caller defending Israel's tactics in Gaza

This man completely exposes the heart of someone on why Israel wouldn't be adopting the same strategy if Hamas was hiding inside Israel. It's worth a listen to if you have a few minutes.
This is really kinda silly on the face of it.

The Muslim Arabs hate Israel. They have NEVER wavered from that hatred for millennia. They are for all intents and purposes the enemy.

So of course you wouldn’t adopt the same warfare against your OWN people.

So no. No big “gotcha” question. Just foolishness.
 

Magenta

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Hamas -- חָמָס châmâç, khaw-mawce'; from H2554; violence; by implication, wrong; by metonymy unjust gain:—cruel(-ty), damage, false, injustice, × oppressor, unrighteous, violence (against, done), violent (dealing), wrong.

The days of Noah

Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with Hamas. H2555

Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with Hamas H2555 through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Ishmael -- Sarah's Hamas

Genesis 16:5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My Hamas H2555 be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.

Some in Israel are also instruments of Hamas

Genesis 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of Hamas H2555 are in their habitations.

Do not be a Hamas witness at these protests

Exodus 23:1 Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an Hamas H2555 witness.

Reap what you sow

Psa 7:16 His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent H2555 dealing shall come down upon his own pate.

He that loves Hamas the Lord hates

Psa 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth Hamas H2555 his soul hateth.

Jesus

Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, H2555 neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Egypt and Jordan

Joel 3:19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence H2555 against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.

Joel 3:19-21
Thank you for the inspiration! .:)
 

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This is really kinda silly on the face of it.

The Muslim Arabs hate Israel. They have NEVER wavered from that hatred for millennia. They are for all intents and purposes the enemy.

So of course you wouldn’t adopt the same warfare against your OWN people.

So no. No big “gotcha” question. Just foolishness.
Not silly at all. It was quite genius how he exposed the caller's heart. They wouldn't be "targeting" their OWN people with bombs.... the question is if they would adopt the same practices of "targeting" Hamas if they were in Israel.

It's a gotcha because it exposes that it's not just Hamas that Israel is targeting. They are targeting civilians, most of which are children. We agree though, Israel wouldn't utilize this strategy on their "OWN" people... Why not? Listen at the 7:00 mark of the video and the caller explains... "They would care more about Israeli life than Palestinian [civilian] lives."

It's difficult to reconcile that Israel supposedly "isn't trying to kill civilians" and then acknowledge that if Hamas was hiding within Israel the current strategy wouldn't be viable because they would actually care about their own civilian lives.

So when people ask "what strategy would you use"... the answer would be whatever the strategy used if Hamas was hiding within Israel. I don't view Israeli lives as more precious and sacred than Palestinian children. This illustrates the state of one's heart towards innocent life if you feel there is a difference.
 

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Continued,

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

How could the saints be hated of all nations for Jesus' name sake but this can happen today, and it is starting to happen now.

Since the nations governments are together with a one world government, and the New Age Christ will negotiate peace in the Middle East they have the plan to stop Christianity from being preached favoring religion that exalts people so they will start going against Christianity before the peace treaty.

There is much talk against Christianity now which they are vehemently talking against it saying they do not have the right interpretation of the Bible, they are hypocritical, they are not tolerant of other religions not wanting peace, they are exclusive, they do not like the LGBTQ community, and they are not the answer for a better world, making them out to be the bad guys.

But this can be expected for when the New Age Christ negotiates peace and there is a peace treaty he will push the agenda of the new age movement, and the world will be split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section in league with the New Age Christ, so the New Age Christ, and the 10 leaders, want to make Christianity out to be bad before the New Age Christ pushes his agenda that is against Christianity.

Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The world is motivated by selfishness, and arrogance, and they get worse as time goes on for that is the direction they are going, and iniquity is a lack of love for it is selfishness, and arrogance, and if they get too bad in a society they will not like each other.

Look at America that enjoys sin above all the other nation how they do not like each other much.

They fight with each other, and belittle each other, more than any other nation, and the internet is ground zero.

The politicians fight with each other, and belittle each other, testifying that their whole system is based on fighting, and belittling, and individual exaltation.

A society will not like each other in that circumstance.

I doubt that back in the first century they had such condition that iniquity would abound so much that they would not love each other when there was not technology causing money to flow like a raging river, and they could reach out farther to make more money, and became highly selfish, and arrogant, scurrying about to get all the money, and material things they could get with the attitude get all you can get and forget everyone else.

Which God told us of the last generation which they shall devour the poor from off the Earth, and the needy among men, and that is because of technology.

Today iniquity would abound causing the love of many to wax cold.

The rest of the chapter is about the New Age Christ stepping in to Jews newly built temple, and claiming to be God, which will happen in the future when the peace treaty is signed that Israel will go back to animal sacrifices, and he will step in the temple and tell them to stop animal sacrificing, and he is their God.

Jesus said there would be great tribulation such as has not been on Earth before, or ever will be again, which would not make sense back in the first century concerning what little saints there were for how could it be the worse persecution.

The persecution would be greater after the first century when there are more saints.

Which the persecution at the end time will be on a world wide level with all nations governments involved as well as the Pope and Vatican.

I think that is greater persecution than back in the first century.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Also after that tribulation it says that the elect will be gathered from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, which is all the saints.

But all the saints would not have left the Earth back in the first century for if they did it would be the end, and Jesus would put down the world, but the world was not put down in the first century for they continued.

It does not make sense that it happened in the first century with the exception of the first 2 verses of Jerusalem being overthrown.
Continued... Wow...
 

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Absolutely insane comment. But you're POV is a lot clearer to me now.
You have never sat in a library and read primary sources so your opinion is uninformed and not useful for a fruitful discussion.

All you can do dismiss because you have no deep knowledge with which to even rebut my comment.

Like I stated a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
 

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Could it not be that Daniel's prophecy was fulfilled in 70AD, but Revelation is yet to be fulfilled?

Just not sure what the motive would be otherwise for the elaborate installment of Trump in 2024 and his bringing of world peace (averting WW3), as some sort of saviour... Why make him out to be an anti-Christ, if he is not?
It could, but what are your thoughts of the Olivet discourse?

I am not sure what you mean about Trump, I agree that he did stall the plans of the military industrial complex, not sure if that was by Godly design, I do not ascribe to Calvinist determinism.
People have agency.