Israel Declares War

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cv5

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You obviously don’t read to well - after Moses accepted by most reputable scholars.
Because they are unbelieving doomed souls, who's main objective is to do the work of their father Satan, which is as follows:
Drag as many soul of the sons of Adam to the lake of fire as possible.

Wake up man. Lest you be counted among the lost.
 

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The scribes lying in Jeremiah 8 are like the scribes lying today. They have lied about everything. A scribe is someone with a doctorate degree in divinity. Doesn't mean they wrote the Bible.
There were plenty of blind scribes back in Jesus' first advent as well......
And what were they doing? The same as the blind scribes today.

Mat 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16
Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

Please.....somebody inform @Needevidence ASAP of his folly in believing these jokers.
 

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shame on you, trying to twist what I say and ignore and manipulate, you seem to have a trend of this.

God cannot be questioned or wrong, I clearly say previously that Genesis was written hundreds of years after. The bible says that the scribes have lied or do you only believe the bits you want and ignore what you dont want to hear - Jeremiah 8:8 .......But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.
The thing is.....it is your admission itself (that you actually believe these "professors" (although they are not possessors)) that is a red flag warning that you are indeed in dire straits.

Evidently you HAVE been successfully seduced by these frauds.

Luk 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

We can righty assume that Jesus is also speaking to belief in the fact that the recorded words of God thru Moses as being authentically transcribed in real time in that era and setting.
 

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I wonder if it is because this is prophetic and essential to their misunderstanding of scripture so they cannot be objective.
How could you possibly misunderstand this....?

Jer 32:40
And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
Jer 32:41
Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole sou
Jer 32:42
For thus saith the LORD; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them.
 

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Do you really think that because God promised Israel to the Jews it means that the commandments of not murdering Palestinians and stealing their homes within the West Bank and East Jerusalem is suddenly a gray zone for you? You are uncertain about what God says about those sins?

Let's pretend we live in a world where everyone, including the Palestinians, accept and acknowledge Israel as the rightful owner and ruler of the West Bank and East Jerusalem. You are saying you don't know if it's justifiable for Jews and/or Israelis to murder and steal homes and possessions from the Palestinians that live within Israel? Anywho who isn't a Jew can be subject to death and/or having all possessions taken away by Israelis Jews "because God gave Jews the land"? You asked me earlier if I "listen to myself". Brother, are you listening to yourself?

You sound like one of those Christians who defends actively gay people as "Christians". You pretend the bible isn't clear on what it has to say about the sin of homosexuality when really you know very well it's a sin. Jews can be promised the land, but God didn't promise them Palestinian homes and personal possessions! God doesn't say it's okay to murder Palestinians living in the promise land! Get real!
I say again: leave the judging to the Lord Jesus.
Why? Because He is THE first hand WITNESS, He sees all, He knows all.

Rev 3:14
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
 

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I say again: leave the judging to the Lord Jesus.
Why? Because He is THE first hand WITNESS, He sees all, He knows all.

Rev 3:14
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Oh and BTW @Smoke ......

Only Infinite God Jesus Christ can BE the Truth and know the truth. Because he has all of the information and is a first hand witness.
You cannot. Satan cannot.

Jhn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jhn 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
 

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The thing is.....it is your admission itself (that you actually believe these "professors" (although they are not possessors)) that is a red flag warning that you are indeed in dire straits.

Evidently you HAVE been successfully seduced by these frauds.

Luk 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

We can righty assume that Jesus is also speaking to belief in the fact that the recorded words of God thru Moses as being authentically transcribed in real time in that era and setting.

nope my comment has been very misunderstood.

Genesis 22:2 - I don’t understand how 'your only son Isaac' - God would know how many sons Abraham has and confirms Ishmael as thy seed & make into a great nation.

That’s the point I was making so causes a conflict.

You may also be able to help me with, if Moses wrote;

Deut 34:5-10 – Moses death
8 And the people of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days. Then the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.
 

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No. I think my reading comprehension skills are fine.

You don’t believe God’s Word is inerrant.

And don’t even believe Jesus Christ, who repeatedly quotes Moses, and attributes the quotes directly to Moses!

Gods word yes and God is all knowing - no doubt - I didn't say everything about Moses, the point being God would know if Abraham had one or 2 sons - see #4467
 

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Gods word yes and God is all knowing - no doubt - I didn't say everything about Moses, the point being God would know if Abraham had one or 2 sons - see #4467
Abraham only had 1 son of promise.

Now to Abraham and his seed was the promise made, not to seeds.
 

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Abraham only had 1 son of promise.

Now to Abraham and his seed was the promise made, not to seeds.
point is says only one son - God knows he has 2 sons and considered Ishmael as 'thy seed' as well - Gen: 21:13 - if it said your promised son fair enough, but it doesn't.
 
God gave the land to Israel.
Yes God did, but God set conditions that they must follow to keep the land.

The Jews had no ancestral homeland. Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?

Promised Land
“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.
Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day
Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.

(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.

(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.
This is a classic case of not being able to see the trees for da forest.
God chose them.
(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people
God gave them specific instructions on how to live their lives
(Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
The term “stranger is referenced 128 times in the Bible. You should liik up a few of the references
In God’s disgust, He scattered them.
(Jer 24:9 KJV) And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.
In God’s forgiving way, He gathers them.
(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
God is now judging His chosen for the last time—
25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,
27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.
29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.
30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.
31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.
32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

THE END
 
32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Europe’s Jewish population down 60% since 1970, as low as it was 1,000 years ago
Bombshell study finds 1.3 million people who describe themselves as Jewish in continental Europe, UK, Turkey and Russia, compared to 3.2 million 50 years ago; number still falling
https://tinyurl.com/4a8w3r2w

World Jewish population drops by 300,000 to 12.9 million
The number of Jews in the world is declining with a net loss of 300,000 American Jews in the last decade, according to a new study following a preliminary examination of the recent census of American Jewry, according to the Jewish Agency’s Institute for Jewish People Policy Planning.
World Jewish population drops by 300,000 to 12.9 million (simpletoremember.com)

European Jewish population at lowest share for a millennium and declining
The study published Wednesday by the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research found 1.3 million people who describe themselves as Jewish in continental Europe.
https://tinyurl.com/286bpte5

Jewish Population on the Decline in America
On September 23, 2000, The Houston Chronicle reported that "if present trends continue, by the year 2080 North America's Jewish population will drop by a third, to 4 million, according to projections in the new American Jewish Year Book.
Jewish Population on the Decline in America | Pluralism Project Archive (harvard.edu)

..According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population
:)-
 

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Europe’s Jewish population down 60% since 1970, as low as it was 1,000 years ago
Bombshell study finds 1.3 million people who describe themselves as Jewish in continental Europe, UK, Turkey and Russia, compared to 3.2 million 50 years ago; number still falling
https://tinyurl.com/4a8w3r2w

World Jewish population drops by 300,000 to 12.9 million
The number of Jews in the world is declining with a net loss of 300,000 American Jews in the last decade, according to a new study following a preliminary examination of the recent census of American Jewry, according to the Jewish Agency’s Institute for Jewish People Policy Planning.
World Jewish population drops by 300,000 to 12.9 million (simpletoremember.com)

European Jewish population at lowest share for a millennium and declining
The study published Wednesday by the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research found 1.3 million people who describe themselves as Jewish in continental Europe.
https://tinyurl.com/286bpte5

Jewish Population on the Decline in America
On September 23, 2000, The Houston Chronicle reported that "if present trends continue, by the year 2080 North America's Jewish population will drop by a third, to 4 million, according to projections in the new American Jewish Year Book.
Jewish Population on the Decline in America | Pluralism Project Archive (harvard.edu)

..According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population
:)-
A thought just urgently burst into my mind:
at your age, despising Jews is potentially catastrophic if not repented of ASAP.
 

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Yes God did, but God set conditions that they must follow to keep the land.

The Jews had no ancestral homeland. Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?

Promised Land
“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.
Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day
Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.

(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.

(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.
This is a classic case of not being able to see the trees for da forest.
God chose them.
(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people
God gave them specific instructions on how to live their lives
(Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
The term “stranger is referenced 128 times in the Bible. You should liik up a few of the references
In God’s disgust, He scattered them.
(Jer 24:9 KJV) And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.
In God’s forgiving way, He gathers them.
(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
God is now judging His chosen for the last time—
25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,
27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.
29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.
30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.
31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.
32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

THE END
Gen 17:7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Gen 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Just a matter of time.......and very soon now.
 

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point is says only one son - God knows he has 2 sons and considered Ishmael as 'thy seed' as well - Gen: 21:13 - if it said your promised son fair enough, but it doesn't.
Read your Bible much buddy? I doubt it. You had better do your homework before issuing your persistently erroneous opionions.....

Gen 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with ****HIM***, for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Gen 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Gen 17:21
BUT my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
 

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point is says only one son - God knows he has 2 sons and considered Ishmael as 'thy seed' as well - Gen: 21:13 - if it said your promised son fair enough, but it doesn't.
Oooops....

Rom 9:9
For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
 
A thought just urgently burst into my mind:
at your age, despising Jews is potentially catastrophic if not repented of ASAP.
I have said this over and over, I do not despise Jews. There are many good Jews who only want to live fruitful lives. You on the other hand use this accusation as cover for self-gratification but to what end is a mystery to me.

One the other hand, I do despise the Israelis who use their IDF sniper teams to single out and murder Palestinian children.

I do despise the Israelis who destroy Palestinian fishing boats.

I do despise the Israelis who destroy Palestinian villages, murdering who ever is there and then build illegal settlements in the rubble over dead bodies.

Cv5, I feel sorry for you and hope you see the light of good and put away that hate that is destroying you from the inside.

:)-
 
BUT my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
Genesis 25:9 His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite,

Genesis 47:30 but when I rest with my fathers, carry me out of Egypt and bury me [ Israel ] where they are buried." "I will do as you say," he said. ;

Genesis 49:31 There Abraham and his wife Sarah were buried, there Isaac and his wife Rebekah were buried, and there I buried Leah.

Genesis 50:10 And they came to the threshingfloor of Atad, which is beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation:

Genesis 50:13 For his sons carried him [ Israel ] into the land of Canaan, and buried him in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham bought with the field for a possession of a buryingplace of Ephron the Hittite, before Mamre.

Genesis 50:14 After burying his father, Joseph returned to Egypt, together with his brothers and all the others who had gone with him to bury his father.


The Israeli's claim the land they now occupy the homeland of the Israelites while their great leaders were buried elsewhere; Israel, Isaac, Rebekah, Abraham, Leah and Sarah were not buried in the land we now call "Israel" but in a land called Canaan which was beyond the Jordan river.

Why is there such a disconnect from biblical history and the occupied land of today?

You bury your great leaders in your own homeland

Which Is Not the land falsely called “Israel” today

The truth will set you free
 
As a side note, all the Jews leave all they have behind and move to Egypt where Joseph becomes ruler second only to the Pharaoh.

The Jews thrived in Egypt because the Pharaoh gives the Jews the pest of the land to grow their crops.

Last but not least, this utopia comes to a crashing end when Moses murders a man in a public street and then buries him in the sand.

The Pharaoh tries to find Moses to punish him for this murder but before the Pharaoh can catch him, he gathers all the Jews together and flees into the desert, which marks the beginning of the exodus.
 

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As a side note, all the Jews leave all they have behind and move to Egypt where Joseph becomes ruler second only to the Pharaoh.

The Jews thrived in Egypt because the Pharaoh gives the Jews the pest of the land to grow their crops.

Last but not least, this utopia comes to a crashing end when Moses murders a man in a public street and then buries him in the sand.

The Pharaoh tries to find Moses to punish him for this murder but before the Pharaoh can catch him, he gathers all the Jews together and flees into the desert, which marks the beginning of the exodus.
Not exactly how the Bible recounts the events there. Something about 40 years in the desert, then going to Pharaoh and after 10 plagues leads the people out of Egypt.