Jesus’ Answer To President Trump’s Immigration Ban

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Sully

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Marxist thinking could sap America’s strength, pervert its morals, sabotage its education
system, wreck its social structure, destroy its spiritual life, weaken its economic power,
and demoralize its armed forces.
Agree. How did Marx develop his thinking? As you can see I've got nothing but questions. :D
 
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It's an old ideology of alienation through unification, but it's what is unifying that is deadly.
 

Agricola

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By Rev. Dr. Mark Achtemeier


Building friendship and community and common ties with people seems a better way of preventing them from harming us than does withholding compassion and erecting walls and bans against them.

No strategy will ever be foolproof, of course. Perfect safety is an illusion that no nation can ever guarantee to its citizens, and reasonable people may disagree over the proper balance to strike between freedom and generosity on the one hand, and security and safety on the other. For those of us who aspire to follow Jesus, however, we dare not let the present situation tempt us away from the expansive type of neighbor-love to which he calls us. We simply have to lift our voices and join the marches and protest to our representatives in opposition to the president’s immigration ban.

Head in sand liberalism in action. The West has become bathed in this do-gooder thinking that is utterly stupid and dangerous.
You can not compare border control with parable of Good Samaritan.

I hope your wall is built, I can not wait until we are out of Europe and shut our borders off as well. Open door policy brings death and destruction from Islamic enemies who want to rule the world. Illegal Mexicans are a blight on the USA.

The Liberal view, being nice to people will make them be nice and so on. WRONG! Does not work at all. From social experiments of moving problematic families into nice residential areas, the area goes bad and good people move out and more bad people move in.

Be nice to the Muslims, yes, but let too many in and they will take over the country and subject the non-mulsims to a living hell. We see this in some cities in the UK already. Just look to Europe.

God is not a Liberal. God put Trump into the WhiteHouse to build walls and close borders, Christians who protest otherwise are just going against what God wants. Maybe these enlightened liberals should call God a bigot and racist as well.
 
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President Business will build the wall, it's in the Lego Movie...
 
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God extends mercy beyond theology. Don't put a cap on God's mercy. Whenever you believe that a person can be outside the bounds for God's grace and mercy you are believe wrong. There is something wrong with your view of God. Christians can be guilty of this or more guilty of this than other faith systems. If your belief allows you to mistreat, you are guilty of misbelieving as well as misbehaving. All people are made in the image of God. God sent His Son Jesus to die for all people. This is why it says to pray for your enemies. This is a constant reminder that no one is outside the bounds for God's grace and mercy. Lord Jesus Christ grace and mercy is boundless. Again, if your view of God allows you to withdraw mercy, your view of God is incorrect.

God takes personal interest in individual people. One of the most powerful things about Lord Jesus Christ ministries is that He chose to heal one person at a time. Jesus did not need to go to person, after person, after person, after person after person, but He did. You know why? Because He taught us something about the Father; that God takes personal interest in individual people. When you read the book of Mark we learn that Jesus was always surrounded by hundreds and sometime thousands of people who were the sickest in the land. He could have waived His hand and healed them all. However He chose to heal them one at a time. Because our Heavenly Father cares about individual people. God displays His power in our pain - God extends mercy beyond theology - God takes personal interest in individual people. Matthew 9:36

By Pastor Stanley
 

Agricola

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God extends mercy beyond theology. Don't put a cap on God's mercy. Whenever you believe that a person can be outside the bounds for God's grace and mercy you are believe wrong. There is something wrong with your view of God. Christians can be guilty of this or more guilty of this than other faith systems. If your belief allows you to mistreat, you are guilty of misbelieving as well as misbehaving. All people are made in the image of God. God sent His Son Jesus to die for all people. This is why it says to pray for your enemies. This is a constant reminder that no one is outside the bounds for God's grace and mercy. Lord Jesus Christ grace and mercy is boundless. Again, if your view of God allows you to withdraw mercy, your view of God is incorrect.

God takes personal interest in individual people. One of the most powerful things about Lord Jesus Christ ministries is that He chose to heal one person at a time. Jesus did not need to go to person, after person, after person, after person after person, but He did. You know why? Because He taught us something about the Father; that God takes personal interest in individual people. When you read the book of Mark we learn that Jesus was always surrounded by hundreds and sometime thousands of people who were the sickest in the land. He could have waived His hand and healed them all. However He chose to heal them one at a time. Because our Heavenly Father cares about individual people. God displays His power in our pain - God extends mercy beyond theology - God takes personal interest in individual people. Matthew 9:36

By Pastor Stanley
What has this got to do with a nations immigration policy?
 

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If your belief allows you to mistreat, you are guilty of misbelieving as well as misbehaving. All people are made in the image of God.
Are you saying we should invite murderers and rapists into our homes? Do you invite them into yours? I wonder what you mean by mistreat. Is protecting your borders mistreating people in your view? Is properly vetting people mistreating them? Jesus does not acknowledge all as His. He explicitly called some the children of the devil. People who are anti Christ fit that description. Islamists fit that description.
 
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When 9/11 occurred in America, God became very important. The reason God became very important is because the technology in America wasn't working. We had folks come over here with a plan who came from a inferior civilization and a inferior culture and cause superior damage. Who would've thought the center of economic enterprise of America would collapse? While the center of military powers would be attack. This ought tells us something! It doesn't matter how advance you are, how many walls you build, how many people you deport or countries you don't let in, how educated you have become, and how sophisticated you think you are...It is only because of the LORD's great love we are not consumed. Lamentations 3:22 NIV

The covering of America was removed which allowed 9/11. The evil one(s) were given access. The further you remove yourself from God the bigger the door opens for evil. The scripture says it like this, "But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong." 1 Corinthians 1:27 NIV

Paul calls those MBA's and PHD's...dung - rubbish - garbage!! The only thing that is important is a BA, being born again and Faith exclusively in Christ Jesus our Lord and His Finished Work. Philippians 3:8

 
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Are you saying we should invite murderers and rapists into our homes? Do you invite them into yours? I wonder what you mean by mistreat. Is protecting your borders mistreating people in your view? Is properly vetting people mistreating them? Jesus does not acknowledge all as His. He explicitly called some the children of the devil. People who are anti Christ fit that description. Islamists fit that description.
We learn from the scriptures that David who was anointed to be King left the covering of God for nineteen months and killed thousands of innocent men, women and CHILDREN. Did God forgive him? Yes!
 

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We learn from the scriptures that David who was anointed to be King left the covering of God for nineteen months and killed thousands of innocent men, women and CHILDREN. Did God forgive him? Yes!
you are not answering Magenta's question. I have no time for people who evade questions and answers obscurely and in riddles.
 

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Not likely as al-Qaeda is Sunni and Iran is Shiia.
Both are at war with each other.

Both Sunni and Shia Muslims share the most fundamental Islamic beliefs and
articles of faith. The differences between these two main sub-groups within
Islam initially stemmed not from spiritual differences, but political ones.


-but they both would have a greater enemy then each other, us.


Sunni-Shiite Showdown
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/13440.2.0.0/world/terrorism/sunni-shiite-showdown

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The term Twelver refers to its adherents' belief in twelve divinely ordained leaders,
known as the Twelve Imams, and their belief that the Mahdi will be the returned
Twelfth Imam who disappeared and is believed by Twelvers to be in occultation.

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the patriarch of Iran’s Islamic Revolution, was a Twelver,
as is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the current supreme leader in Iran.

-In 2012, Khamenei told the people of Iran: “We must prepare for the coming.

Since we consider ourselves the warriors of the 12th imam, we must fight.
Under the leadership of God, and with his invisible Power, we will restore
the glory of Islamic Civilization.”

As Joel Rosenberg, former aide to Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said,

n order to bring about this Islamic messiah, the Mahdi, the 12th imam,
Islamic leaders need to hasten his coming by destroying little Satan, Israel,
and the great Satan, the United States. …


Iran’s supreme leader says exactly what’s on his mind.

Iran Won’t Stop Till It Reaches Jerusalem
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...iran/iran-wont-stop-till-it-reaches-jerusalem
 
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you are not answering Magenta's question. I have no time for people who evade questions and answers obscurely and in riddles.
When you are talking to a spirit filled and spirit led Christian it will be a parable if you are led by the flesh. This is how we test the spirit.
 

Agricola

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When you are talking to a spirit filled and spirit led Christian it will be a parable if you are led by the flesh. This is how we test the spirit.
I am a Spirit filled and Spirit led Christian, but what you are waffling on about is nothing to do with border control and you seem to be incapable of giving a direct simple answer.
 

Angela53510

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The OP needs to read the Old Testament to find out what God thinks about foreigners and pagan religions. You will find a systematic campaign to wipe out the Canaanites. Sadly, they did not obey God, sowing the seeds of destruction for Israel.

Of course, the writers of the New Testament understood this, when they wrote about Jesus. They did not believe in killing pagans, but converting them! So, one of the goals of God has ALWAYS been to make pagans into God's people.

We don't do that by letting them into our countries, to live as pagans. Unless it was stated that they must convert to Christianity, if they want to immigrate to our countries. Of course, this would be protested by secular humanists and liberals everywhere as being "intolerant."

I don't understand why people trying to undermine the values of our countries should be let in! That is just common sense.
 

kaylagrl

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God extends mercy beyond theology. Don't put a cap on God's mercy. Whenever you believe that a person can be outside the bounds for God's grace and mercy you are believe wrong. There is something wrong with your view of God. Christians can be guilty of this or more guilty of this than other faith systems. If your belief allows you to mistreat, you are guilty of misbelieving as well as misbehaving. All people are made in the image of God. God sent His Son Jesus to die for all people. This is why it says to pray for your enemies. This is a constant reminder that no one is outside the bounds for God's grace and mercy. Lord Jesus Christ grace and mercy is boundless. Again, if your view of God allows you to withdraw mercy, your view of God is incorrect.

God takes personal interest in individual people. One of the most powerful things about Lord Jesus Christ ministries is that He chose to heal one person at a time. Jesus did not need to go to person, after person, after person, after person after person, but He did. You know why? Because He taught us something about the Father; that God takes personal interest in individual people. When you read the book of Mark we learn that Jesus was always surrounded by hundreds and sometime thousands of people who were the sickest in the land. He could have waived His hand and healed them all. However He chose to heal them one at a time. Because our Heavenly Father cares about individual people. God displays His power in our pain - God extends mercy beyond theology - God takes personal interest in individual people. Matthew 9:36

By Pastor Stanley
It is absolutely true that no one is outside the grace of God,but they must accept Him or they remain outside of grace. Muslims are coming to Christ and we certainly pray for those in bondage to the Islamic religion. But that religion is demonic and its mission is to subjugate the world and kill those who wont submit. There is no doubt that satan is behind Islam and its demonic beliefs. There is nothing wrong with vetting these refugees coming in and keeping our country safe. America has been more than generous with taking in immigrants and refugees for years. This will continue once proper vetting is done.
 

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When 9/11 occurred in America, God became very important. The reason God became very important is because the technology in America wasn't working. We had folks come over here with a plan who came from a inferior civilization and a inferior culture and cause superior damage. Who would've thought the center of economic enterprise of America would collapse? While the center of military powers would be attack. This ought tells us something! It doesn't matter how advance you are, how many walls you build, how many people you deport or countries you don't let in, how educated you have become, and how sophisticated you think you are...It is only because of the LORD's great love we are not consumed. Lamentations 3:22 NIV

The covering of America was removed which allowed 9/11. The evil one(s) were given access. The further you remove yourself from God the bigger the door opens for evil. The scripture says it like this, "But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong." 1 Corinthians 1:27 NIV

Paul calls those MBA's and PHD's...dung - rubbish - garbage!! The only thing that is important is a BA, being born again and Faith exclusively in Christ Jesus our Lord and His Finished Work. Philippians 3:8


Hi message of the cross,

You are taking scriptures out of context. You might want to reread the scriptures and read before and after the verses you're quoting.

It's actually blasphemy to take God's word to make it say what you want it to say instead of what God intended. Please tread carefully.

So how many should we put you down for.......1 family or 2?
 

peacenik

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prove-all; said:
Both Sunni and Shia Muslims share the most fundamental Islamic beliefs and
articles of faith. The differences between these two main sub-groups within
Islam initially stemmed not from spiritual differences, but political ones.


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The differences actually stem from Mohammed's death and the leadership of their clergy. Gradually doctrinal differences developed. They have been in conflict ever since. Today, Iranian volunteers are fighting in Iraq against al-Qaeda and other Sunni factions. Your source fails to demonstrate that Iran is allied in any way with Sunni fanatics and was involved in any way with 9/11.
 

Tommy379

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The differences actually stem from Mohammed's death and the leadership of their clergy. Gradually doctrinal differences developed. They have been in conflict ever since. Today, Iranian volunteers are fighting in Iraq against al-Qaeda and other Sunni factions. Your source fails to demonstrate that Iran is allied in any way with Sunni fanatics and was involved in any way with 9/11.
Yep, thats why all of islam needs to be wiped from the earth.