North Korea Nuke Tests

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U.N. poised to act on North Korea after nuclear test - CNN.com

You guys heard of the recent nuke tests by NKorea yesterday (or the other day, I think)?

I wonder what its like for the people in North Korea. With no any source of influence from the outside world, they probably have no idea how terrible their government is.
 
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I saw this on the news earlier. Have kept an eye out on North Korea for quite a while. It is sad, but it seems most of their people actually do believe in the elaborate mythology that the regime has create if the videos they let us see are any indicator. Mindful that is at least from what sparse video and information we are allowed to see. It is why you have the mass weeping for Kim Jong-Il at his funeral despite the fact he was a despot that caused his people to starve to death.

This recent test will probably only further the regime's internal propaganda that Kim Jong-un is a strong leader and externally serves as a means to getting attention and possible negotiations and concessions. Something of a recurring theme with the DPRK and their nuclear program.
 

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U.N. poised to act on North Korea after nuclear test - CNN.com

You guys heard of the recent nuke tests by NKorea yesterday (or the other day, I think)?

I wonder what its like for the people in North Korea. With no any source of influence from the outside world, they probably have no idea how terrible their government is.
All day our news station has been yakking about the weather, not a peep about this.
(sometimes I think I'm living in North Korea)
I'm sure Obama will figure a way to set up N.K. with a nuke program like he did Iran.
 
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All day our news station has been yakking about the weathr, not a peep about this.
I'm sure Obama will figure a way to set up N.K. with a nuke program like he did Iran.
They got the nuclear program back when Bush was president back in 2006. It is merely believed the DPRK does not have the capability to deliver it effectively, which is why their "satellite" and rocketry tests are a big deal.

The DPRK does these tests when they want to make a statement either domestically or abroad or both. In my opinion this is moreso aimed at their domestic audience. Kim Jong-un is young and ruthless to his own people and has had some sort of struggle with the other elites in North Korea, whether real or imagined out of his paranoia. So it seems to me this is moreso designed to make him look strong internally (illusion of technological sophistication) and to make it appear he is standing strong against foreign powers.
 
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Yeah, there's even brief footage of the testing:

 

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They got the nuclear program back when Bush was president back in 2006. It is merely believed the DPRK does not have the capability to deliver it effectively, which is why their "satellite" and rocketry tests are a big deal.

The DPRK does these tests when they want to make a statement either domestically or abroad or both. In my opinion this is moreso aimed at their domestic audience. Kim Jong-un is young and ruthless to his own people and has had some sort of struggle with the other elites in North Korea, whether real or imagined out of his paranoia. So it seems to me this is moreso designed to make him look strong internally (illusion of technological sophistication) and to make it appear he is standing strong against foreign powers.
If I recall they also played on B.Clinton and Albright snookering them by rattling their missles for food.
With that haircut, his strength would have to be an illusion. :p
 
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If I recall they also played on B.Clinton and Albright snookering them by rattling their missles for food.
With that haircut, his strength would have to be an illusion. :p
Indeed there was some such stuff under Clinton also. The DPRK problem goes back to the 1950s. I don't blame Bush or Obama much for it though, there's really not too much that can be done with North Korea besides trying to contain their regime's secular power.

Lol funny little thing I saw a while ago that you remind me of with the haircut comment. There is 28 state approved hair styles for men and 18 for women in DPRK. Little article from back in 2013 with pictures of the hairstyles that are acceptable for men.

North Korea's 28 approved haircuts: Photos of acceptable styles to Kim Jong-un's regime - Mirror Online

Also is seems from this article the Kim Jong-Un hair style is now in vogue with young men by state mandate:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/north-korean-men-kim-jong-un-haircut-article-1.1735438

Is kinda tempting to get a Kim cut, but I don't think my red hair and nigh untamable cowlicks could work with it. Guess it must be the imperialist American blood or something.
 
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They got the nuclear program back when Bush was president back in 2006. It is merely believed the DPRK does not have the capability to deliver it effectively, which is why their "satellite" and rocketry tests are a big deal.

The DPRK does these tests when they want to make a statement either domestically or abroad or both. In my opinion this is moreso aimed at their domestic audience. Kim Jong-un is young and ruthless to his own people and has had some sort of struggle with the other elites in North Korea, whether real or imagined out of his paranoia. So it seems to me this is moreso designed to make him look strong internally (illusion of technological sophistication) and to make it appear he is standing strong against foreign powers.
I call shenanigans on your claim about the North Korean nuclear program. And you don't blame President Bush too much? Why blame him at all?

Jimmy Carter won a Nobel Peace Prize for traveling to North Korea and returning with the promise that North Korea did not have a nuclear weapons program. He said it was based on a handshake with the dear leader, Kim Jong. The U.N. sent it's most reliable inspector, Hans Blix to North Korea and he also reported they had no nuclear program. That was prior to Blix being sent to Iraq, where he was led around to various empty buildings and assured Saddam had no interest in nukes or WMD's. Perhaps he will close out his career by telling us Iran also has no interest in building nuclear weapons.

President Clinton could not be bothered with killing Bin Laden or stopping North Korea from building nuclear weapons. The lesson learned is that once some lunatic has nuclear weapons, he simply tells everyone he is willing to use them if challenged in any way. Then you get to watch and wait for that leader to test long range missiles that could carry his nuclear weapons to your country, because you no longer have any deterrents or military options that don't risk starting a nuclear war.

I'm sorry, President Bush had nothing to do with this. On the other hand, had Israel simply realized they would be betrayed by President Obama and attacked Iran while President Bush was still in office, we would be sitting around knowing that Iran will soon announce they too have nuclear weapons and plan to use them on Israel whether they are provoked or not.
 
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I call shenanigans on your claim about the North Korean nuclear program. And you don't blame President Bush too much? Why blame him at all?

Jimmy Carter won a Nobel Peace Prize for traveling to North Korea and returning with the promise that North Korea did not have a nuclear weapons program. He said it was based on a handshake with the dear leader, Kim Jong. The U.N. sent it's most reliable inspector, Hans Blix to North Korea and he also reported they had no nuclear program. That was prior to Blix being sent to Iraq, where he was led around to various empty buildings and assured Saddam had no interest in nukes or WMD's. Perhaps he will close out his career by telling us Iran also has no interest in building nuclear weapons.

President Clinton could not be bothered with killing Bin Laden or stopping North Korea from building nuclear weapons. The lesson learned is that once some lunatic has nuclear weapons, he simply tells everyone he is willing to use them if challenged in any way. Then you get to watch and wait for that leader to test long range missiles that could carry his nuclear weapons to your country, because you no longer have any deterrents or military options that don't risk starting a nuclear war.

I'm sorry, President Bush had nothing to do with this. On the other hand, had Israel simply realized they would be betrayed by President Obama and attacked Iran while President Bush was still in office, we would be sitting around knowing that Iran will soon announce they too have nuclear weapons and plan to use them on Israel whether they are provoked or not.
Okay I'm just gonna ask you a simple question. North Korea tested their first nuclear device in 2006.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/09/world/asia/09korea.html?_r=1&

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_North_Korean_nuclear_test

North Korea's nuclear tests - BBC News


Who was president of the USA in 2006?
 
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Okay I'm just gonna ask you a simple question. North Korea tested their first nuclear device in 2006.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/09/world/asia/09korea.html?_r=1&

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_North_Korean_nuclear_test

North Korea's nuclear tests - BBC News


Who was president of the USA in 2006?

[h=1]You can thank Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton for North Korea’s nukes[/h]



North Korea’s boast that it just detonated its first hydrogen bomb met instant doubts from the White House and arms experts. If they’re right, Pyongyang “only” has plain-old atomic bombs. What a . . . relief?
But, as one Chinese expert told The Wall Street Journal, the H-bomb claim still shows that tyrant Kim Jong-un is “marching in that direction.”
For all this, thank Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. North Korea couldn’t have done it without their gullibility.
Back in 1994, President Clinton prepared to confront North Korea over CIA reports it had built nuclear warheads and its subsequent threats to engulf Japan and South Korea in “a sea of fire.”
Enter self-appointed peacemaker Carter: The ex-prez scurried off to Pyongyang and negotiated a sellout deal that gave North Korea two new reactors and $5 billion in aid in return for a promise to quit seeking nukes.
Clinton embraced this appeasement as achieving “an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean Peninsula” — with compliance verified by international inspectors. Carter wound up winning the Nobel Peace Prize for his dubious efforts.
But in 2002, the North Koreans ’fessed up: They’d begun violating the accord on Day One. Four years later, Pyongyang detonated its first nuke.
Now, the Obama administration (long content to kick the North Korea can down the road) says it will never “accept” a nuclear North Korea. Funny: The president said the same thing about Iran, then cut a deal that guarantees the ayatollahs go atomic.
Yet North Korea is more of a wild card, a concentration camp of a nation run by a tiny, ruthless elite. If it ever lives up to its boasts and unleashes that “sea of fire,” will Carter, Clinton and Obama shed public tears for Pyongyang’s victims?
 
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You can thank Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton for North Korea’s nukes





North Korea’s boast that it just detonated its first hydrogen bomb met instant doubts from the White House and arms experts. If they’re right, Pyongyang “only” has plain-old atomic bombs. What a . . . relief?
But, as one Chinese expert told The Wall Street Journal, the H-bomb claim still shows that tyrant Kim Jong-un is “marching in that direction.”
For all this, thank Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. North Korea couldn’t have done it without their gullibility.
Back in 1994, President Clinton prepared to confront North Korea over CIA reports it had built nuclear warheads and its subsequent threats to engulf Japan and South Korea in “a sea of fire.”
Enter self-appointed peacemaker Carter: The ex-prez scurried off to Pyongyang and negotiated a sellout deal that gave North Korea two new reactors and $5 billion in aid in return for a promise to quit seeking nukes.
Clinton embraced this appeasement as achieving “an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean Peninsula” — with compliance verified by international inspectors. Carter wound up winning the Nobel Peace Prize for his dubious efforts.
But in 2002, the North Koreans ’fessed up: They’d begun violating the accord on Day One. Four years later, Pyongyang detonated its first nuke.
Now, the Obama administration (long content to kick the North Korea can down the road) says it will never “accept” a nuclear North Korea. Funny: The president said the same thing about Iran, then cut a deal that guarantees the ayatollahs go atomic.
Yet North Korea is more of a wild card, a concentration camp of a nation run by a tiny, ruthless elite. If it ever lives up to its boasts and unleashes that “sea of fire,” will Carter, Clinton and Obama shed public tears for Pyongyang’s victims?
Okay we'll try a different question. Who was president in 2002?
 
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Lol he has some good points though, but really don't matter what Carter, W, or Obama did, or moreso didn't do. There's not too much we can do about the DPRK regime. Can't war with them, tried that before, didn't work out so well, and that would result in war with China and there's no winning that war. Can't surgical strike em' they could go off the deep end and our Christian brothers in south Korea would be in jeopardy. Can't do the sunshine policy, the regime and the elites of the regime will horde it all and continue in their ways. It's a hard situation that's for sure.
 

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Lol he has some good points though, but really don't matter what Carter, W, or Obama did, or moreso didn't do. There's not too much we can do about the DPRK regime. Can't war with them, tried that before, didn't work out so well, and that would result in war with China and there's no winning that war. Can't surgical strike em' they could go off the deep end and our Christian brothers in south Korea would be in jeopardy. Can't do the sunshine policy, the regime and the elites of the regime will horde it all and continue in their ways. It's a hard situation that's for sure.
Sure there is a way, we can threaten to cut off their supply of Elvis Presley memorabilia.
 
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Sure there is a way, we can threaten to cut off their supply of Elvis Presley memorabilia.
Lol, you're living in the past man, that's Kim Jong-Il. Kim Jong-Un is into modern and stylish things like basketball, particularly the 90s Chicago Bulls.

Lol reminds me of some funny American imperialist aggressor propaganda about the Dear Leader, or whatever they call him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f37K0hIv3zk
[video=youtube;f37K0hIv3zk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f37K0hIv3zk[/video]

Viewer Warning: extremely awesome satire. For real this should be a TV show.
 

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Lol, you're living in the past man, that's Kim Jong-Il. Kim Jong-Un is into modern and stylish things like basketball, particularly the 90s Chicago Bulls.

Lol reminds me of some funny American imperialist aggressor propaganda about the Dear Leader, or whatever they call him:


Viewer Warning: extremely awesome satire. For real this should be a TV show.
yeah, well whatever their latest faddish fetish is. These dictators are definitely strange.
 
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yeah, well whatever their latest faddish fetish is. These dictators are definitely strange.
No doubts about that. The Kim Regime takes it to a level of madness only comparable to ancient roman emperors.
 

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Nuke North Korea, problem resolved.