Notice I dont think ive ever said homosexuality is right. But people live in sin everyday. And yet there are multiple threads on this forum about gays but few if any on liars, thieves, cheaters, etc. Kinda makes someone wonder why all the focus on gays when people everywhere are in sin. In fact the examples I named actually hurt people where as a gay couple isnt hurting anyone normally.
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But yet that's most of what's being talked about.
This is just an attempt to change the subject. If the government was passing laws trying to legalize bank robberies, there would be just as many topic on here with views opposing that.
And the issue isn't about whether or not gays are hurting people, that's just your attempt to change the subject. God desires all to be saved, and we should too. Ignoring sin (the thing that seperates us from God) and telling people it's ok to sin as much as you want isn't going to do squat for the Great Commission.
This is just an attempt to change the subject. If the government was passing laws trying to legalize bank robberies, there would be just as many topic on here with views opposing that.
And the issue isn't about whether or not gays are hurting people, that's just your attempt to change the subject. God desires all to be saved, and we should too. Ignoring sin (the thing that seperates us from God) and telling people it's ok to sin as much as you want isn't going to do squat for the Great Commission.
Look this is america i guarantee all these people who want to live homosexual lifestyles have heard the gospel at least once probably half a dozen times. They made their choice. Let them enjoy it while they can. Does being gay send someone to hell, well im not God but Ill lean towards probably. Are people free to choose those lifestyles though? Yes they are. And I refuse to support taking their freedom of choice away from them
tl;dr- some people choose to live in sin, surprise. Just let them go.
tl;dr- some people choose to live in sin, surprise. Just let them go.
So have your viewpoint. That is fine. No one wants to stop you from believing what you believe. But getting all offended an up in arms everything changes to a way contrary to your worldview helps no one an only results in you being more stressed, irritated, disheartened. Clearly the laws set forth by our God were not important enough to the Supreme Court when this ruling was decided. That happens. There really isn't much to do about it, whining doesn't help. Let the people enjoy this earthly life if thats what they want. You can celebrate later on judgment if you feel the need for an I told you so.
Nautilus, the reason I witness, try to spead the truth, is it is not just about the life of the unborn baby.
But the eternal life of those who promote, have or do the abortion.
I have many friends who had abortions, and all have regreted them, saying if they had only known, knew what they were doing, they would not have done it.
They have been forgiven, but to witness to Jesus and truth, is as scripture says...
as the Holy Spirit pleading through us.
Im not saying that if one commits this act they are condemned, but to travel such a road does not lead to eternal life ether.
It about witnessing to the truth without wavering, for the sake of the person that may hear.
No, one cannot force another, but a gentle voice can speak volumes.
God bless
pickles
But the eternal life of those who promote, have or do the abortion.
I have many friends who had abortions, and all have regreted them, saying if they had only known, knew what they were doing, they would not have done it.
They have been forgiven, but to witness to Jesus and truth, is as scripture says...
as the Holy Spirit pleading through us.
Im not saying that if one commits this act they are condemned, but to travel such a road does not lead to eternal life ether.
It about witnessing to the truth without wavering, for the sake of the person that may hear.
No, one cannot force another, but a gentle voice can speak volumes.
God bless
pickles
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I totally agree with this on 99% of issues. Like sex outside of marriage and issues such as that- I think they are wrong but it's up to each person to decide- it's their choice.
With abortion however, it's different, because it is killing a child. No-one should legally have the right to make that choice. In society, we can't let murder happen and just say "Well it's their choice...".
People say "If you don't like abortions, don't have an abortion. But don't try to outlaw it!"
That's like saying "If you don't murder than don't murder. But don't try to outlaw it!"
These are issues where we do have to force a standard onto the population- and we do this every day with laws- if not there would be chaos. It's like the road rules. Everyone has to follow them- if everyone just "does what they want" there will be more chaos and death on the roads.
It happens every single day in abortion clinics around the world.
With abortion however, it's different, because it is killing a child. No-one should legally have the right to make that choice. In society, we can't let murder happen and just say "Well it's their choice...".
People say "If you don't like abortions, don't have an abortion. But don't try to outlaw it!"
That's like saying "If you don't murder than don't murder. But don't try to outlaw it!"
These are issues where we do have to force a standard onto the population- and we do this every day with laws- if not there would be chaos. It's like the road rules. Everyone has to follow them- if everyone just "does what they want" there will be more chaos and death on the roads.
It happens every single day in abortion clinics around the world.
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Around 30% of pregnancies end in miscarriage and around 75% of conceptions end
up miscarrying. Did they have a choice in the matter?
Miscarriage Statistics - Making Sense of Miscarriage Statistics
up miscarrying. Did they have a choice in the matter?
Miscarriage Statistics - Making Sense of Miscarriage Statistics
Using about.com as a page for statistics doesn't really support the argument. But let's just go with it for the sake of the thread...30% end in miscarriage did someone make that choice for them or was it an uncontrollable event? Did the conceptions of 75% ending in miscarriage a result of someone making that choice for them or is it an uncontrollable event? If there is a choice in the matter, the choice should be life. The point here is not instances where our bodies, or nature take control but instances where we determine whether they live or die.