On this Virus from China

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dcontroversal

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My sources are saying millions infected and more than 112,000 dead already.....It seems it cause drastic organ failure, destroys the kindeys rather quickly and people are dropping dead left right and center....no burials as all bodies are being cremated and it is far worse than we are being told.....

What are you hearing?
 

TheIndianGirl

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My sources are saying millions infected and more than 112,000 dead already.....It seems it cause drastic organ failure, destroys the kindeys rather quickly and people are dropping dead left right and center....no burials as all bodies are being cremated and it is far worse than we are being told.....

What are you hearing?
What sources? I'm reading 56 died.
 

Nehemiah6

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What are you hearing?
"Chinese state media confirmed on Friday that the coronavirus, spreading from the city of Wuhan, has now infected 29 of China’s 31 provinces, a concession critics will likely take as confirmation that the Chinese government has not been honest about how rapidly the disease is spreading.... Furthermore, the South China Morning Post (SCMP) on Friday quoted sources who said the Chinese government is still dramatically under-reporting the number of doctors and nurses who have contracted the virus while treating patients."
https://www.breitbart.com/national-...na-confirms-wuhan-virus-infections-provinces/'

Since one of the fundamental principles of Communism is disinformation, misinformation, suppression of facts, and propaganda, don't expect the facts to emerge.

What is even more outrageous is how the West has failed to shut down travel to and from China, and allowed the virus to enter North America. That is irresponsible, and akin to criminal negligence.
 

dcontroversal

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"Chinese state media confirmed on Friday that the coronavirus, spreading from the city of Wuhan, has now infected 29 of China’s 31 provinces, a concession critics will likely take as confirmation that the Chinese government has not been honest about how rapidly the disease is spreading.... Furthermore, the South China Morning Post (SCMP) on Friday quoted sources who said the Chinese government is still dramatically under-reporting the number of doctors and nurses who have contracted the virus while treating patients."
https://www.breitbart.com/national-...na-confirms-wuhan-virus-infections-provinces/'

Since one of the fundamental principles of Communism is disinformation, misinformation, suppression of facts, and propaganda, don't expect the facts to emerge.

What is even more outrageous is how the West has failed to shut down travel to and from China, and allowed the virus to enter North America. That is irresponsible, and akin to criminal negligence.
Yeah I do not believe the Chinese sources
 

dcontroversal

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"Chinese state media confirmed on Friday that the coronavirus, spreading from the city of Wuhan, has now infected 29 of China’s 31 provinces, a concession critics will likely take as confirmation that the Chinese government has not been honest about how rapidly the disease is spreading.... Furthermore, the South China Morning Post (SCMP) on Friday quoted sources who said the Chinese government is still dramatically under-reporting the number of doctors and nurses who have contracted the virus while treating patients."
https://www.breitbart.com/national-...na-confirms-wuhan-virus-infections-provinces/'

Since one of the fundamental principles of Communism is disinformation, misinformation, suppression of facts, and propaganda, don't expect the facts to emerge.

What is even more outrageous is how the West has failed to shut down travel to and from China, and allowed the virus to enter North America. That is irresponsible, and akin to criminal negligence.
And I agree.....all flights from China should be shut down!
 
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I don't know whether I'd rely to heavily on an alternative news source like Hal Turner. I do understand the MSM is hardly unbiased, and its demise has led to a whole raft of alternative news sites. If its true that he's a white supremacist, then enough said from my point of view....I don't have any tolerance for those who peddle hatred based on skin color.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner
 

TheIndianGirl

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I wouldn't trust the Chinese media, and while I also do not trust the MSM I don't think they would lie about this.
 

TheIndianGirl

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I don't know whether I'd rely to heavily on an alternative news source like Hal Turner. I do understand the MSM is hardly unbiased, and its demise has led to a whole raft of alternative news sites. If its true that he's a white supremacist, then enough said from my point of view....I don't have any tolerance for those who peddle hatred based on skin color.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner
If he is a Holocaust denier, he loses credibility period. There is a lot gray area on who is called white supremacist as even people who want border security are also called white supremacists.
 

EleventhHour

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The main problem with this virus, unlike SARS and Ebola is that it spreads two weeks before the symptoms show and it has approximately a two week incubation period.

Meaning there are far more people infected than can be known and it makes the virus harder to contain.
They say this virus is less severe than SARS, so that is a good thing if true.
 

laughingheart

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My sources are saying millions infected and more than 112,000 dead already.....It seems it cause drastic organ failure, destroys the kindeys rather quickly and people are dropping dead left right and center....no burials as all bodies are being cremated and it is far worse than we are being told.....

What are you hearing?
Nope. My friends from that area are hearing from their families. It is bad enough being under lockdown. The sick have no way to get to hospital and if they do, there is no space for them. The city is on lock down. No private vehicles are allow and the gas stations are closed so they are stuck. Some new medical staff are being allowed into the city. The numbers of deaths are still low. There are no bodies in the street. I watch a vid cast from a youth who is calling for a penalty for the mayor and others as, even on the 22nd people were not wearing masks as they were not warned. The lack of masks available is an issue.
Let's keep praying for the healthcare workers who are risking their lives, one of the dead is a doctor who was on the frontlines, and the scientists racing for a cure. We also need to pray for all those affected and their families.
 

Nehemiah6

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I watch a vid cast from a youth who is calling for a penalty for the mayor and others as, even on the 22nd people were not wearing masks as they were not warned. The lack of masks available is an issue.
I'm not sure whether those masks being used are special, but if they are simply ordinary dust masks, they might not be effective against viruses.
 

Moses_Young

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Since one of the fundamental principles of Communism is disinformation, misinformation, suppression of facts, and propaganda, don't expect the facts to emerge.

What is even more outrageous is how the West has failed to shut down travel to and from China, and allowed the virus to enter North America. That is irresponsible, and akin to criminal negligence.
Another of the fundamental principles of communism is control of all transport by the state. To my mind, it would be outrageous if the West shut down travel to and from China, based on unsubstantiated claims of a handful of deaths, pupportedly caused by a previously unknown virus. We all know China has a terrible track record on health and hygiene (amongst many other things). Far more likely the deaths (if any) are due to poor regulation of toxins in food, water or medicine, than some mysterious and dangerous virus.
 

EleventhHour

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I'm not sure whether those masks being used are special, but if they are simply ordinary dust masks, they might not be effective against viruses.
The virus needs to get into the body once it is airborne...sneeze or cough.... I would think a face mask would be effective as long one does not touch their face.
Best advise wash your hands frequently.
Studies have shown about two hours in the air and several days on surfaces.

The problem with this virus is secondary infections ...like MERS and pneumonia that can follow...that is what will typically kill people.
 

EleventhHour

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Another of the fundamental principles of communism is control of all transport by the state. To my mind, it would be outrageous if the West shut down travel to and from China, based on unsubstantiated claims of a handful of deaths, pupportedly caused by a previously unknown virus. We all know China has a terrible track record on health and hygiene (amongst many other things). Far more likely the deaths (if any) are due to poor regulation of toxins in food, water or medicine, than some mysterious and dangerous virus.
The problem is not the reported deaths it is the number infected that have yet to show symptoms and are transmitting the disease.
China has never been in a good place to deal with outbreaks unlike other countries where there are processes in place.

Given the long incubation period I think shutting down all none essential travel is imperative otherwise this will go on for a long time and be much harder to control.

You know China gave SARS to the world many of them died, and it was a huge problem where I live...one would think they the Chinese would smarten up with regards to their markets and cleanliness...I find it very frustrating in this day and age when we know so much about the transmission of disease.
 

laughingheart

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I'm not sure whether those masks being used are special, but if they are simply ordinary dust masks, they might not be effective against viruses.
You are very right. They will not be very effective against viruses. They might keep people with the virus from their full potential to spread the infection. I can't imagine how terrifying it must be to be in that situation.
 

Hazelelponi

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From what scientists are saying (who are doing the genetic testing of this virus) there a are a couple important points.

First. This is a new virus.

Second. It has 86.9% of its genetic markers in common with Sars found in bats.

The mutation is a 1 time mutation (again, this is brand new, no earlier than October 2019) and is now spreading through human to human contact.

From doctors:

This virus is attacking the lungs of patients - which is why the most affected (i.e. those dying from the illness) group is the elderly and the very young.

Unlike bacterial infections in viral lung infections all you can do is treat the symptoms and let the disease run its course - the body doing the job of fighting off the illness. (Again, this is why the elderly or the very young or those with compromised immune systems are the ones dying)

This has a, now known, 14 day incubation period during which there are no symptoms of disease (no fever, coughing, runny nose etc.) but in which the patient can pass on the illness to others...

This makes this disease especially virulent as most flus and viruses are self isolating once a person feels ill - they stop going to work and stay in bed away from others - and where the iillness can only be spread for a day, perhaps two before symptoms begin.

A 14 day "I feel fine" but am spreading a disease, is a serious thing.

In cities where contact with others through public transportation, shopping and work as family contact, the disease has the potential to become widespread.

We are approximately 1 year away from a vaccine.

Handwashing and other means of preventing the spread of any flu will be equally helpful in preventing getting this virus. Any healthy individual has little to worry about, other than getting a flu-like virus but should have no difficulty overcoming the illness. Again, this targets the elderly, the young, and those with compromised immune systems.
 

oldethennew

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anytime a population 'eats' = bats=rats=dogs=cats=snakes=swine=sickness,
this is what these Asian people EAT = the spreading of disease.
REMEMBER, (rats and bubonic plague)???