Pamela Geller: Free speech advocate, or 'hate speech' antagonist?

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Dec 18, 2013
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nothing good has come out of these perhaps because unlawful evil has struck back at liberty... so we side with the lawless?
Anyways it looks like good bible believing Christians are on both sides of this aisle as it very well should be.
No, we should not side with them, but we should not provoke them to act lawless either. If not for their own sake, then at least for the sake of people that got nothing to do with it that so often get caught up in the middle.
 

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No, we should not side with them, but we should not provoke them to act lawless either. If not for their own sake, then at least for the sake of people that got nothing to do with it that so often get caught up in the middle.
well, if cartoons provoke today, I can only imagine what will provoke tomorrow.
 
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well, if cartoons provoke today, I can only imagine what will provoke tomorrow.
Aye, but in the here and now this case is just so easy not to do it in the first place. Cartoons aren't worth the risk to people's lives. This problem can't be fixed by US government, we've all ready established that fact by their own Constitution the role of government. So somehow to a personal level just gotta get these people or businesses convinced not to publish them.

I suppose until we can achieve agreement to settle the Mohammad cartoon issue, that it shall be a feeble sort of containment policy of censorship, but it seems that be failing too in what is called the information age.
 

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No, we should not side with them, but we should not provoke them to act lawless either. If not for their own sake, then at least for the sake of people that got nothing to do with it that so often get caught up in the middle.
Don't you get it YET!!! Our whole way of life, our Christianity, our freedoms, everything from what and how we eat, to women being allowed outside of their homes without a male relative accompanying them or wearing a burqa to EVERY other aspect of our life PROVOKES them!!!

What has to happen before that sinks in to your head? Massive numbers beheaded? Caged people being set on fire? How about hijacked planes murdering 3000 Americans?

Thank the Lord there are people brave enough to say NO!!!!!!!!!!! And put up their stand, FOR US< with drawing a stupid cartoon of a homicidal pedophile.
 
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Don't you get it YET!!! Our whole way of life, our Christianity, our freedoms, everything from what and how we eat, to women being allowed outside of their homes without a male relative accompanying them or wearing a burqa to EVERY other aspect of our life PROVOKES them!!!

What has to happen before that sinks in to your head? Massive numbers beheaded? Caged people being set on fire? How about hijacked planes murdering 3000 Americans?

Thank the Lord there are people brave enough to say NO!!!!!!!!!!! And put up their stand, FOR US< with drawing a stupid cartoon of a homicidal pedophile.
Finally someone said it!!! Thank you!
 
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Don't you get it YET!!! Our whole way of life, our Christianity, our freedoms, everything from what and how we eat, to women being allowed outside of their homes without a male relative accompanying them or wearing a burqa to EVERY other aspect of our life PROVOKES them!!!

What has to happen before that sinks in to your head? Massive numbers beheaded? Caged people being set on fire? How about hijacked planes murdering 3000 Americans?

Thank the Lord there are people brave enough to say NO!!!!!!!!!!! And put up their stand, FOR US< with drawing a stupid cartoon of a homicidal pedophile.
Then what good is it to paint more targets for them?

Islam is a spiritual enemy, it cannot be stopped by bullets nor bombs, nor cartoons. The bullets, the bombs, the cartoons, all the violence and mockery; is like its food and only feeds it and makes it larger.
 
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So here's what I think is not being understood.Muslims are killing people of their OWN faith because they are not conservative enough,hence you have ISIS. The question is not whether the cartoons incite violence,the question is is there free speech in this country or not? Last time I checked there is. If the US doesn't soon wake up,like Pen Ed said,women in this country will soon be covered head to toe in black fabric so as not to "offend" Muslims. They want freedom of religion here,they've been given that.But that doesn't give them the right to infringe on other peoples beliefs or lack there of. If you dont want your prophet mocked then stay in your own country where they believe as you do.Christians have been mocked for years. So if the argument is we dont want to offend Muslims then I had better not hear God D@#$ or Jesus Christs name taken in vain in a movie or on tv/radio again. I better not see mocking cartoons of our God. I better not go to work and hear His name taken in vain again. Or I have the right to gun everyone down in cold blood because Ive been offended. See it goes both ways?

Id like to know what liberty and freedom I have to go to most of these Muslim countries as a women and dress how I like and say what I like. What freedom would I have to drive and have a job and show my ankles? How long before my American behind would be set on fire? See you dont get the right to demand freedoms in my country that you dont give me in your country.Id say thats fair,wouldnt you? You do not give in to dictators,period. They have no right to come into our country and dictate what freedoms we have.If you dont like the freedoms in this country you are free to go back to your home country.Because if we give in to this nonsense soon no one will have freedom of speech or thought,especially Christians.If you dont think Im right,show me where they have these freedoms in their own country. They dont. If you want to live in Rome you do as the Romans do.Freedom of speech is protected in this country whether you like it or not.
 
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Then what good is it to paint more targets for them?

Islam is a spiritual enemy, it cannot be stopped by bullets nor bombs, nor cartoons. The bullets, the bombs, the cartoons, all the violence and mockery; is like its food and only feeds it and makes it larger.
If you understand Muslims as well as you say you do then you know it takes nothing to offend their religious sensibilities. Like your being a Christian makes you an infidel for instance. You're either to be killed or made a slave. The most conservative are killing Christians at an alarming rate. Yet I hear nothing of this. What I hear is dont offend Muslims. If Muslims dont want to be offended they can stay in their own countries,surrounded by people of like faith and not worry that they will be offended.Sounds like a plan to me.
 
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The debate over free speech in the U.S. is focusing on Pamela Geller this week.

The founder of "Stop the Islamization of America" says she has the right to say whatever she needs to say to achieve the goals the name of the organization implies. She was the coiner of the phrase "ground zero mosque" in beginning the successful effort to to force New York City mullahs to rethink their plan to build near the World Trade Center and 9/11 memorial.

But in her zeal, she's obviously attracted some detractors. A number of anti-Geller articles have been published over the years.

What Pamela Geller advocates is not free speech

Tea Party event [featuring Geller] booted from Sugar Land Hotel

Free Speech vs. Hate Speech, this being a New York Times editorial published two days ago that claims terror victims "bring it upon themselves." So the Times would vehemently attack a defense attorney who made such a claim about a rape victim, but thinks it's OK to dismiss terror as "your fault" when you're a victim of it?

I don't like everything Geller says. Sometimes she makes me cringe. But two things:

1. She's right, most of the time, even when it's harsh.
2. She has, by the First Amendment, the right to say whatever she wants.

Our freedom of speech is slipping away to attacks from the politically correct left and from "Goebbels-like propagandists" (to borrow a Geller phrase from one of her blogs) who would silence their opposition. Many on the center and right are beginning to buy into the garbage from these two anti-American fronts, and all have Geller and those like her -- those who would demand the right to say whatever they want, even if it is ugly, biased, or just plain wrong -- in their crosshairs, because bringing Geller et al down brings down the First Amendment, which is their goal.

The First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech wasn't meant to be limited to "freedom to speak what I like" or " ... what does not offend me." Freedom of speech is for all speech. If you don't like it, don't listen.
We looked at American rights history in school. Where do you draw the line so that she isnt simply another type of KKK, burning crosses outside mosques
 

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Then what good is it to paint more targets for them?

Islam is a spiritual enemy, it cannot be stopped by bullets nor bombs, nor cartoons. The bullets, the bombs, the cartoons, all the violence and mockery; is like its food and only feeds it and makes it larger.
So that the whole world will see, and know, that when a religion advocates and promotes physical violence it is the enemy of the whole world.

You know what bullies do right? They try to scare people with their un-Godly violence to make them bow to their will.

There is only one way to deal with a bully. It is not by hoping they will change their ways. It is by showing that you are not afraid. It is by showing you will not bow to their will. It is by showing that there are severe consequences for their actions.

Might as well bring it all out into the light. Let's get it over with if it is inevitable. The sooner the better.
 

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We looked at American rights history in school. Where do you draw the line so that she isnt simply another type of KKK, burning crosses outside mosques
You don't draw the line at speech.

You draw the line at physical violence.
 
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Free speach? Uh, in case you haven't noticed, CHRISTIAN values, morals, ideas and more have been under attack for decades, and slowly being eradicated as part of our American History. JESUS told us that the world will hate those that follow HIM, because it first hated HIM...I expect no gratitude or applause when I am campaigning against aborting babies, or speaking against same sex marriages, or having bible clubs in school, or addressing ISIS issues, etc. Do you?
You seriously need to post more often, my Brother!
 
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We looked at American rights history in school. Where do you draw the line so that she isnt simply another type of KKK, burning crosses outside mosques
Burning crosses or burning people alive in cages?

Which is worse? Decisions, decisions! :confused:
 
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We looked at American rights history in school. Where do you draw the line so that she isnt simply another type of KKK, burning crosses outside mosques

Because she wasnt near a mosque. She has the freedom of speech to do what she did. Just because that offends Muslims doesn't take away her freedom of speech. They have the freedom to disagree and to speak out but they dont have the right to go shoot up a group of people that disagree with their religious beliefs or offend them.
 
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Why would it go to the one who metes out the consequences? If you are smart enough to know their might be ramifications then you should be smart enough to decide if it is worth it or not.
By that reasoning, the founding fathers would never have taken the risk to openly rebel against Britain.

Free speech is absolutely necessary to the concept of an exchange of ideas within a democracy to assure our continued freedoms. Without free speech and open debate, we subject ourselves to tyranny, which always starts with people asking themselves "Is it worth pissing off the 'authorities'?"
 
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"If someone says anything [anyone considers] mean-spirited at the University of Colorado Boulder – campus administrators want to know about it. Not only that – they want to know the offender’s name, age, email address and more.

University of Colorado-Boulder has launched a new campaign encouraging students to report any “bias” they come across to campus authorities, who collect details including offenders’ names, birthdays, genders – even social security numbers – along with a description of the [alleged] 'incident.'

The 'Bias Incident Reporting' effort aims to [destroy free speech on campus which is protected by the first amendment by] 'address[ing] the impact of demeaning and hurtful statements as well as acts of intolerance directed towards protected classes,' CU Boulder’s website states.

Read: College students told to report ‘hurtful statements’ to campus authorities

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