Plea deal denied in Ahmaud Aubrey case

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Dude653 said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ahmaud...die-bryan-defendant-asked-plea-deal-attorney/
Also I believe attempted kidnapping charges have been added
They are claiming self-defense as Arbery grabbed the shotgun during the struggle but you don't get to claim self-defense when you are unlawfully detaining someone
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"Police in Glynn County, Georgia, attempted to use a Taser on Ahmaud Arbery during an incident caught on video in 2017, according to a police report and police body camera video obtained by The Guardian."

Link to video: Police tried to use Taser on Ahmaud Arbery in video of 2017 incident I ABC7 - YouTube

The jury won't be allowed to see the video.
 
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All the videos are horrible to watch. Them chasing and cornering him with vehicles,saying they wished to have hit him.
Travis,main defendant has already lied on stand about this killing. The videos show every step of this racist crime( I'm Caucasian) it offends me deeply since I live in the south that this attitude prevails.

I hope justice is done.
 
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Gardenias said:
All the videos are horrible to watch. Them chasing and cornering him with vehicles,saying they wished to have hit him.
Travis,main defendant has already lied on stand about this killing. The videos show every step of this racist crime( I'm Caucasian) it offends me deeply since I live in the south that this attitude prevails.

I hope justice is done.
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The Mcmichael's interjected themselves into something that was none of their business. They had no business chasing that guy and trying to stop him with guns.

I've not watched all the videos in this case. I just can't bring myself to do it because it is heartbreaking to think someone's life was ended like that for no reason at all. Even if the guy was stealing out of that house they had no business doing what they did. They should have called the police. They were not in any physical danger.

They have no defense and I'm pretty sure they are going to "hang for this one".

The only bad thing I see in this case is that the other guy who videoed the event is going to probably get life as well. He didn't commit a crime and without his video, the prosecution would have had no clear physical evidence. The Mcmichaels could have said whatever they wanted without the video that proved they were lying.
 
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Dude653 said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ahmaud...die-bryan-defendant-asked-plea-deal-attorney/
Also I believe attempted kidnapping charges have been added
They are claiming self-defense as Arbery grabbed the shotgun during the struggle but you don't get to claim self-defense when you are unlawfully detaining someone
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Clearly, the only person in that situation who would have had the right to use self-defense was Arbery.

Pretty sure their claim for self-defense isn't going to fly. They are clearly the attackers and the ones who started the whole thing.
 
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This is the second man I have watched die before my eyes and it is as horrible or more so than George Floyd.

This is vigilante behavior and you are right it was not for them to do anything except call the authorities.
Ga. has a citizen arrest law that I hope they remove after this.
 
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Even the owner of the property issued a statement that he didn't take anything and didn't damage any property
So you can't perform a citizens arrest on someone who hasn't committed a crime.
 
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They are on break now
Did anyone watch the farce that Travis M's lawyer narrated?

I don't know how the state sat still during it.
 
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1ofthem said:
I've not watched all the videos in this case. I just can't bring myself to do it because it is heartbreaking to think someone's life was ended like that for no reason at all. Even if the guy was stealing out of that house they had no business doing what they did. They should have called the police. They were not in any physical danger.
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I read up on this some time back, much closer to when these events happened.
No charges were filed until the video of the actual shooting was released.

There were many people who frequented the building site; video footage showed Arbery inside the home five times between October 2019 and the day Arbery was killed (Feb. 23, 2020). None of the videos showed him stealing or damaging anything. The video taken at the scene of the crime was less clear, since any time the gun was fired, nobody was on camera, being off to one side or hidden by the truck. Still, it was clearly a case of Arbery defending himself, since he had been chased down and "trapped like a rat" in the words of Greg Michael to local police after the shooting.
 
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Magenta said:
I read up on this some time back, much closer to when these events happened.
No charges were filed until the video of the actual shooting was released.

There were many people who frequented the building site; video footage showed Arbery inside the home five times between October 2019 and the day Arbery was killed (Feb. 23, 2020). None of the videos showed him stealing or damaging anything. The video taken at the scene of the crime was less clear, since any time the gun was fired, nobody was on camera, being off to one side or hidden by the truck. Still, it was clearly a case of Arbery defending himself, since he had been chased down and "trapped like a rat" in the words of Greg Michael to local police after the shooting.
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Thanks for the info. I've not read up or stayed very updated on this case, but from what I've seen and heard so far the Mcmichaels are clearly at fault.
 
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1ofthem said:
Thanks for the info. I've not read up or stayed very updated on this case, but from what I've seen and heard so far the Mcmichaels are clearly at fault.
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The state put up pics at the moment Arbery was shot in his shoulder and at his wrist causing an arterial bleed.

Law and Crime network on youtube.
Its a network by Dan Abrams,a legal analysis for sever TV stations
 
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Gardenias said:
The state put up pics at the moment Arbery was shot in his shoulder and at his wrist causing an arterial bleed.

Law and Crime network on youtube.
Its a network by Dan Abrams,a legal analysis for sever TV stations
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Thanks, I will check that site out.
 
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Dude653 said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ahmaud...die-bryan-defendant-asked-plea-deal-attorney/
Also I believe attempted kidnapping charges have been added
They are claiming self-defense as Arbery grabbed the shotgun during the struggle but you don't get to claim self-defense when you are unlawfully detaining someone
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I'm not saying you're wrong for thinking that, but in reality, under our system, that's not how this works.

What constitutes an unlawful detainment isn't discerned by authorities until after the detainment has already happened. Police are allowed to make judgements on the fly, often split second decisions, and it's illegal to resist them if they detain you because they decide what they believe a crime is based on their training. If they are detaining someone for allegedly committing a crime, then that person's second amendment rights have been voided.

In commuting a crime, many constitutional rights are lost regardless of if a judge decides no crime was committed later.

Therefore, there's rarely such thing as self-defense against a police officer. If someone attacks a police officer it's almost always assault regardless if the outcome of the detainment is determined to be unlawful later.
 
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Runningman said:
I'm not saying you're wrong for thinking that, but in reality, under our system, that's not how this works.

What constitutes an unlawful detainment isn't discerned by authorities until after the detainment has already happened. Police are allowed to make judgements on the fly, often split second decisions, and it's illegal to resist them if they detain you because they decide what they believe a crime is based on their training. If they are detaining someone for allegedly committing a crime, then that person's second amendment rights have been voided.

In commuting a crime, many constitutional rights are lost regardless of if a judge decides no crime was committed later.

Therefore, there's rarely such thing as self-defense against a police officer. If someone attacks a police officer it's almost always assault regardless if the outcome of the detainment is determined to be unlawful later.
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The way to work with police is to obey them and generally just try to stay out of their way.
 
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Runningman said:
I'm not saying you're wrong for thinking that, but in reality, under our system, that's not how this works.

What constitutes an unlawful detainment isn't discerned by authorities until after the detainment has already happened. Police are allowed to make judgements on the fly, often split second decisions, and it's illegal to resist them if they detain you because they decide what they believe a crime is based on their training. If they are detaining someone for allegedly committing a crime, then that person's second amendment rights have been voided.

In commuting a crime, many constitutional rights are lost regardless of if a judge decides no crime was committed later.

Therefore, there's rarely such thing as self-defense against a police officer. If someone attacks a police officer it's almost always assault regardless if the outcome of the detainment is determined to be unlawful later.
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Runningman said:
The way to work with police is to obey them and generally just try to stay out of their way.
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Travis McMichael, his father Gregory McMichael and their neighbor Bryan Jr., face charges including malice murder and felony murder in the death of Arbery on February 23, 2020, in the Satilla Shores neighborhood near Brunswick, Georgia. Defense attorneys contend the McMichaels were trying to conduct a lawful citizen's arrest, and that Bryan, after seeing the McMichaels chase Arbery, followed the pursuit and recorded the confrontation and shooting on his phone. None of them were police conducting an arrest.

Whether the defendants had the right to detain Ahmaud Arbery through a citizen's arrest
has been a point of contention that has come up multiple times during the closing arguments.

The state argued during its closing that the defendants did not have the right to make a citizen's arrest because they had not observed or had no immediate knowledge of any crime committed by Arbery. The defense has argued that their clients did have the right to make a citizen's arrest. The judge said that he will instruct the jury on the law before they deliberate.
 
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Jury is out for deliberations!



A good YouTube channel to watch trials IRT is Law and Crime network.
For this trials videos on Arbery's death watch the coroners testimony.
 
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Edit 3 quilty sentences.
Now it will be asking for mistrial or new trial and or the penalty phase!
 
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