Politics...and boycotting

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student

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"General Mills is taking a stand against a proposed state constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, becoming the most prominent corporate voice making such a public declaration....."

Not afraid of little "Christians"... I'm not against homosexual people...I'm against support of the practice.
I PRAY for the people.

I think it's time to get involved... Boycott GM - Starbucks coffee, too.

Pillsbury
cereals
Betty Crocker
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Hamburger helper

-student


Dear Father,

In all earnesty, I am not heroic enough to witness to this great extent. May the Holy Spirit lead from here and may the corporations come to know you and bow before your great sovereignty.
Amen
 
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OFM

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i had a christian roomate whowas upset when i bought honey nut cheerio's cereal i asked why he saitd they are pro abortion.i said o.k. the next week i bout more honey nut cheerio's he made a big drama scence on the issue,i do not go to starbucks cause thier coffee prices r way 2 high and going up all the time,and they are not supporting fair trade coffee,i work in a coffeehouse that does.i do not know much on why to boycott the other places can you tell us please.

VOTE FoR DAVID DOUGHNUT
and Cathy CoffEE.
 

student

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Well, because big corp is trying to take a stand on politics, and is, therefore, giving Christianity a good slap in the face. "Take that", they say, "We are more powerful than your God and we will help decide who gets equal rights." When they open their hand from the mighty fist they raised, they will only find a few pebbles...an alert to Jesus' return. It's a call to carry the cross and witness effectively that we are God's children.

"Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matt 7:14
Blessings!
-stude t
 
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amen on that i do fully agree with you on.
 

Nautilus

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sigh, you realize if you were to boycott every company that supports equal rights you would be left very miserable. most companies in the country openly support it. and sooner rather than later it will probably become a reality, so i dont really know what people are planning to accomplish by boycotting supporting companies.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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I'm against support of the practice.
First, I want to say that I honor your right to boycott GM. If you want to boycott them because they support gay marriage, or abortion, or star-bellied sneeches, or whatever reason, you go ahead and do that.

But I must say, it disappoints me to see what, exactly, you are against.

The state (I'm guessing Minnesota, because that's where GM headquarters is) wants to make an amendment to their constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

The Minnesota State Constitution does not current say that gays can get married. It's not that GM is trying to change the constitution.

It's quite the opposite. There's a group out there that hates gays so much, it's not enough that they can't marry their loved ones. They want to make an amendment to the state constitution putting it in writing that gays are so disgusting they can't marry. GM is saying "dudes, that's overkill. They can't get married. Just leave it at that. Why make an amendment to the constitution enforcing your hate?"

So, if you are against GM, you are in favor of CHANGING the Minnesota state constitution, so that for generations and generations, everyone will no how great your hatred is for gays.

Is that really what you think Jesus would do?
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Here's the thing.

Let's start with the assumption that homosexuality is a sin. I know there are people who frequent this forum who think it isn't, but for argument's sake, let's just start with the assumption that it is.

So what if they get married?

How does two gay men or two gay women getting married have a negative impact on you?

I've heard some say "God will rain down judgment against us for allowing gays to marry." If God was going to send a storm of fire and brimstone, I think the fact that the US has the highest rate of infant mortality of any industrialized country would be WAY higher up the list than "Adam and Steve just registered at TargetWedding" on his list of sins.

I've heard some say, "Marriage is a Christian institution. You're making it profane by allowing gays to marry." I type this post from a hotel in Las Vegas, where men and women regularly get married after just having met, in a drunken stupor, only to have it annulled within a few days. If this holy institution of marriage can recover from that, I'm sure it can recover from Uncle Jim and Uncle Bob who have lived together for 45 years and just want to spend their last few years together.

I've heard some say, "You're redefining marriage." The fact that my husband didn't have to give my father 3 goats and a cow to gain my hand in marriage means it's already been redefined. Marriage gets redefined every couple of hundred of years.

Christianity does not have a monopoly on the word "marriage." If you want to limit who can or cannot get married in your church, you absolutely can and should. And if the government ever starts to try to put restrictions on what a church can or cannot do, I will be first in line for the rebellion, I promise you.

But just as the government cannot tell the Church what it can or cannot do, the Church cannot tell the government what it can or cannot do. And if the government wants to define "marriage" as a legal contract between any number of consenting adults, they can go ahead and do that. It doesn't change God's mind on the matter, and anyone who thinks it would has a weak faith.
 

JimJimmers

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I've gotta ask, how is the United States' high infant mortality rate a sin?
 
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Daniel94

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General Mills has a huge list of products.


General Mills: Brand Product List Page <--- click
This is exactly why I think the whole idea of boycotting companies is stupid. I think it is great that we have the freedom to boycott and that we have freedom of speech, but I honestly don't see how people are going to buy Christian only products. When Jesus-Os or Jesus Charms come out I will be the first to buy, but until then I am sticking to Cheerios or Lucky Charms. In my opinion people need to grow up and stop boycotting every company that states its opinion. I bet people would be amazed at what they have in their homes that the company that sells/makes it supports something they're against.

Also I mean no disrespect to anyone.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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I've gotta ask, how is the United States' high infant mortality rate a sin?
Then he will say to those on his left, "Begone, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for Satan and his minions; for I was hungry, and you gave me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not invite me in; naked, and you did not clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit me."
Then they will ask, "Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of you?"
And he will answer them, "Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me."
And they will go away into eternal punishment.

I think that's in Matthew somewhere, if you want to look it up.

I don't know whether to be disappointed or disgusted that I even had to answer that.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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This is exactly why I think the whole idea of boycotting companies is stupid. I think it is great that we have the freedom to boycott and that we have freedom of speech, but I honestly don't see how people are going to buy Christian only products. When Jesus-Os or Jesus Charms come out I will be the first to buy, but until then I am sticking to Cheerios or Lucky Charms. In my opinion people need to grow up and stop boycotting every company that states its opinion. I bet people would be amazed at what they have in their homes that the company that sells/makes it supports something they're against.

Also I mean no disrespect to anyone.
I believe there are "testa-mints" available out there somewhere ... freshen your breath AND spread the good news at the same time! I am not kidding, I've seen ads for them.
 
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Daniel94

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I believe there are "testa-mints" available out there somewhere ... freshen your breath AND spread the good news at the same time! I am not kidding, I've seen ads for them.
My taste buds don't agree with mint, but that is pretty cool I guess. Found you a picture....

 
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TheGrungeDiva

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My taste buds don't agree with mint, but that is pretty cool I guess. Found you a picture....

Isn't that awesome! And they say there are no Christians in marketing any more :)
 

JimJimmers

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Then he will say to those on his left, "Begone, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for Satan and his minions; for I was hungry, and you gave me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not invite me in; naked, and you did not clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit me."
Then they will ask, "Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of you?"
And he will answer them, "Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me."
And they will go away into eternal punishment.

I think that's in Matthew somewhere, if you want to look it up.

I don't know whether to be disappointed or disgusted that I even had to answer that.
I did some research, as is always a good idea, and you're wrong, unless you don't consider Brazil, Mexico, Russia, The United Kingdom and a handful of other industrialized countries industrialized. However, let's just assume for a minute your figures are accurate, and apply some logic.

(I will also assume, for the sake of discussion, that we are to interpret the words of Jesus to mean that we are to want the government to confiscate and reallocate our assets, and apply them to His teachings, which is an entirely different subject. After all, you said you didn't want to live in a theocracy.)

There are many factors of infant mortality, let's take some common ones, and determine if "The U.S." is indeed not taking care of the issues.

1. Prenatal care. There are places that offer this for free. About 1/5 of women don't access prenatal care, however. Your solution would be... a government law requiring women to have some federally mandated prenatal care? What if she doesn't agree with what they are trying make her do?

2. Access to hospital emergency rooms. No women in labor are turned away from hospital emergency rooms, that I have ever heard of.

3. Drug use. Drugs such as cocaine are indeed illegal. I suppose we could lock all expectant mothers in jail, to make sure they don't take drugs, but I imagine even you would shy away from that.

I can see God being angry at the men and women who refuse to care for their children, but "The U.S."? I'm still not seeing it. What do you propose the state do to lower the infant mortality rate?
 

Dude653

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If we boycott every company that has questionable beliefs or viewpoints, we probably wouldnt be able to buy anything. This is America. They are entitled to have an opinion. It is a business transaction..that's all. I give them my money, they give me a product in return. That's all we ask of eachother.
 
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I did some research, as is always a good idea, and you're wrong, unless you don't consider Brazil, Mexico, Russia, The United Kingdom and a handful of other industrialized countries industrialized.
Well, no, I don't consider Mexico or Brazil industrialized. I've been to Mexico, it's certainly not industrialized. Have you ever been to either country?
Russia is unique. Parts of it are industrialized -- the urban areas; but there are rural areas of the former USSR that still don't have electricity. I'd have to say if you don't have electricity everywhere, you're not industrialized.

And I'd like to see where you get your stats, because I looked it up again, and still see that the US is behind the UK.

25. United Kingdom (5.4 deaths per thousand)
34. United States (7.1 deaths per thousand)
72. Russia (16.5 deaths per thousand)

If anyone's interested, here's a few more countries that rank better than the US (lower infant mortality), from >>>THIS<<< website:

1. Singapore 2.6
8. Czech Republic (and they're still recovering from that civil war!) 4.1
10. Slovenia 4.2
20. Israel 5.1
28. Brunei 5.6

However, I will concede that I had not checked the data when I first posted, and was going on what I knew from 30 years ago. I am glad to see that we are slowly moving up the ranks.

I will also assume, for the sake of discussion, that we are to interpret the words of Jesus to mean that we are to want the government to confiscate and reallocate our assets, and apply them to His teachings, which is an entirely different subject.
You should NOT assume that. I don't think God will punish someone more or less based on what his or her government does, and that's basically my point. People are saying, "Oh, God's gonna punish us because the US does this and that." I'm saying there are far worse things the US has done, and far more things we need to be concerned about that the US hasn't done and probably won't ever do, than worrying about what two people you've never met before are doing in the privacy of their own hot tub.

If the U.S. decided to give every one of its citizens a free chicken in every pot and 2 pounds of cheese per month, and people were still dying of preventable diseases, obviously, something is still wrong. Whatever the cause, it is not being addressed by "the government."

Think of the parable of the Good Samaritan. Do you think the robbed and beaten man cared how much tax money went into crime prevention in that particular area? Did knowing that his government hired more police make his wounds less life-threatening? Perhaps that's why the saducee and pharisee passed him on the other side of the road, because they had already paid their taxes, and they figured it was the government's job to take care of him.

The Samaritan knew better.

I agree with you, there are a lot of reasons for a high infant mortality rate (and if it's lower in the US than it was, PRAISE THE LORD!!!!) pre-natal care is one, and yes, some of the women who have miscarriages had access to free or low-cost pre-natal care and simply chose not to use it, but that is the exception rather than the norm. Most of the time, in cases of infant mortality, the woman did not have access to the pre-natal care. I'm not advocating for a government-mandated program, but offering MORE low-cost options would reduce that rate. And it doesn't have to be tax-payer supported. Every man, woman, and child who is protesting outside a Planned Parenthood should ALSO be donating to organizations that offer low-cost or no-cost pre-natal care. If they don't, they are hypocrites.

The biggest issue, which you didn't even mention, was education. It's sad that young mothers aren't even getting basic education in how to take care of themselves in those 9 months. It's something that takes a little bit of investment, but the pay-back is soooooooo worth it, don't you think?

As for drugs, yes, I know that is one of the many causes of infant mortality. So now you have to ask yourself: why are women abusing drugs? What are we doing that causes these women to think the only thing to turn to is drugs? We are NOT spreading the Gospel, that's for sure.

And that is ABSOLUTELY not the government's job.

The whole point is, God really doesn't give a rip about the government. The government can come out and say that the only True God is the "flying spaghetti monster." God's reaction to that would be "Fine, who are you going to worship?"

It's still YOUR decision whom to worship. If you choose to worship the flying spaghetti monster just because the government tells you to, God's gonna be disappointed. And no, you don't get to say, "but, but, but, the government told me..." Jesus is your advocate, but even he's gonna have trouble defending that one in court.

God is going to judge YOU not on what your government does, or on what Chick-Fil-A does, or on what Nestle does, or on what President Obama does.

The Good News, is that the judgement has already been made, and that was Christ Jesus, who has redeemed us by his blood.

I'm not saying that boycotting a company or business, or voting one way or another, is not a good thing every now and then. I'm inviting people to look at the big picture. God doesn't care about what brand of cereal you eat, or what Chicken sandwich you bought. It is not what goes into a man that defiles him.
 

JimJimmers

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Thanks for your clarifying post. THIS is why I asked my original question, the one that disappointed/disgusted you. I really just wanted to see where you are coming from, no need to get all excited.

I agree with most of your points, which is a good thing. Before, it sounded like you thought God would judge us for infant mortality.

There are a few minor points I'd just like to mention. First of all, there are parts of the USA that don't have electricity. Have you ever been to West Virginia? I have. The term 'industrialized' is commonly used, although not a very accurate term, as every country has some form of industry.

The figures I saw were from 2008, which put infant mortality in The United Kingdom slightly above The U.S. I hope both numbers go down in the coming years.

I considered education a part of prenatal care, as it is. I myself know expectant mothers should take folic acid, which I learned from a PSA, and I don't even need to know. Personally, I would do everything I could to learn about it, when the time came, regardless of what was offered to me.

As far as when you said:

"As for drugs, yes, I know that is one of the many causes of infant mortality. So now you have to ask yourself: why are women abusing drugs? What are we doing that causes these women to think the only thing to turn to is drugs? We are NOT spreading the Gospel, that's for sure.

And that is ABSOLUTELY not the government's job."

That was my whole point. I am thrilled we agree. (I do spread the gospel, but I assumed you mean the church as a whole, which I'd agree with.)

I wonder what else we can agree on? We are probably not that different in a lot of ways. Just curious, do you support the elimination of the National Endowment for the Arts?
 
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I am thrilled we agree.
Me too.

Though to clarify, I think "the government" SHOULD provide some pre-natal care, education, etc. to expectant mothers who cannot afford it. I disagree with some of my liberal friends, not about how much should be spent on such programs, but as to how the programs should be administered. I have worked in the Non-Profit industry for almost 20 years, and I think the most effective way to provide care, education, etc. would be through non-profits. I think some of these non-profits should be able to get government grants, and yes, some of this money should come from taxpayers. However, I think there should be a shift -- more of the money should go through grants and be administered locally, by non-profits, rather than through government-managed agencies. I don't mind federal government collecting the tax (though I would like to see that shift more to state and local taxation), but I think the administration of such programs is handled better by non-profits who receive funding both from governments and from private funding, rather than all-government-funded agencies.

Not sure if you (or anyone else besides me and my crazy invisible friend) understands the distinction. Maybe you agree with that, too. If so, more reason to celebrate :)

(I do spread the gospel, but I assumed you mean the church as a whole, which I'd agree with.)
Oh, yes. I know my conservative brothers and sisters in Christ have always been better at evangelism than us liberal Christians. As individuals, and as the Church, Christ's Bride as a whole, there's always room for improvement.

We are probably not that different in a lot of ways.
I know we're both on fire for the Lord. That is clear in the way you post, and I like it :)

Just curious, do you support the elimination of the National Endowment for the Arts?
Nope. Sorry, but I think the arts must be supported.

As a professional musician, I can tell you that the arts are CENTRAL to civilization. It has been proven (and if you need, I'll dig up some of the studies) that arts education improves a student's performance in the sciences as well. It develops that part of the brain. Even if a student never pursues an artistic career past a hobby. Having strong arts in a community is reflected exponentially by a much higher level of productivity, higher reported "general happiness," more business development, and lower rates of crime and poverty .... I mean, really, when you see the evidence, you have to wonder why anyone could be against the arts. And you'd want to increase its funding to more than $0.001, too. I mean, is one tenth of one penny, worth it to make sure that my children and my children's children have it as good as I have?

So no, I am vehemently in favor of the NEA
 
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Homosexuality is a sin, and like all sins it's between the offender and God. I'm not sure why we insist on making homosexual marriage illegal, and think that the sinners will stop engaging in homosexual acts? Besides isn't marriage a spiritual unifier? Who gave government the right to decide on marriage? When you acknowledge government's intrusion into marriage, you are taking a decision that is God's and making it men's decision. God does not care whether Homosexual marriage is legal or not, God defined marriage as one man one woman, anything else is irrelevant and redundant.