Pope becomes even more heretical

[RoboOp]

For all you Catholics here, you're gonna love this news snippet:

Pope Francis is reaching out to gays, saying he won't judge priests for their sexual orientation, but closed the door on woman priests, in remarkably open and wide-ranging news conferences as he returned from his first foreign trip."If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" Francis told Associated Press reporters Monday during his journey back to the Vatican from his first foreign trip in Brazil...

Here is the link: Pope opens up on gay priests, but won't admit women

The Catholic Church is so far from the Bible anyway so it doesn't really matter but maybe this blatant acceptance of immorality by the Pope -- even to the point of allowing homosexual "priests" -- can help some Catholics to wake up to the error of the Catholic Church and realize they need to get back to the Bible and renounce Catholicism and simply put their faith in Jesus -- not Mary, the Catholic Church, or the Pope.

 

[kenisyes]

So if I'm born a woman, become a man surgically, can I be a priest then? If I'm gay, and act the woman's part in my relationship with my partner, can I still be a priest then? What if I'm a lesbian and act like a man in my relationship? I'm waiting for the encyclical on those kinds of questions.

Maybe he just means if you start out thinking you were born gay? Oh, that's right, you'd have to believe in Jesus' ability to heal the psychological problem for that, wouldn't you?

What if you are already a priest and love little boys? We know that one, it's been settled in half the civil courts in the world, you can still be a priest.

 

[Mammachickadee]

For all you Catholics here, you're gonna love this news snippet:

Pope Francis is reaching out to gays, saying he won't judge priests for their sexual orientation, but closed the door on woman priests, in remarkably open and wide-ranging news conferences as he returned from his first foreign trip."If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" Francis told Associated Press reporters Monday during his journey back to the Vatican from his first foreign trip in Brazil...

Here is the link: Pope opens up on gay priests, but won't admit women

The Catholic Church is so far from the Bible anyway so it doesn't really matter but maybe this blatant acceptance of immorality by the Pope -- even to the point of allowing homosexual "priests" -- can help some Catholics to wake up to the error of the Catholic Church and realize they need to get back to the Bible and renounce Catholicism and simply put their faith in Jesus -- not Mary, the Catholic Church, or the Pope.

You know what I would love someone to tell me? Why any church except possibly the PCUSA uses the NIV translation? The NIV leaves out several portent pieces of Scripture; and there was a known lesbian on the board that wrote it. True, there are skeletons in the closet of several translations of the Bible... but the NIV is such a blatant slap in the face to the principle that God's word is holy.
Though I don't believe in being hateful toward homosexuals, I do believe that this article sums up well the faults in the NIV... what I have found to be the most commonly used translation of the Bible in fundamental churches today besides the KJV.
NIV Translators Are Ok with Worshipping Satan; But Not Jesus!

 

[Mammachickadee]

The writing of the NIV, Roe v. Wade, and "free love" philosophy all crammed into the 60's and 70's... Can anyone else smell a rat?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

You know what I would love someone to tell me? Why any church except possibly the PCUSA uses the NIV translation? The NIV leaves out several portent pieces of Scripture; and there was a known lesbian on the board that wrote it. True, there are skeletons in the closet of several translations of the Bible... but the NIV is such a blatant slap in the face to the principle that God's word is holy.
Though I don't believe in being hateful toward homosexuals, I do believe that this article sums up well the faults in the NIV... what I have found to be the most commonly used translation of the Bible in fundamental churches today besides the KJV.
NIV Translators Are Ok with Worshipping Satan; But Not Jesus!

verses being 'left out' is a big debate...i will just say that from the NIV point of view those verses were not in the originals and were -added- later on...at least one of the verses in question has been proven beyond a doubt to be a very late addition...

also since virginia mollenkott was just an english professor she was only a 'style consultant' for the NIV...basically assigned to make sure the translation used good english...she played no part in the textual study or the translation work...and they have not consulted her since 1978...the NIV has been revised twice since then -without- her input...

you should be warned that the 'king james only' movement has become a cult...preaching false doctrines and idolizing quirks in the king james version above the writings of the apostles and prophets themselves...i wouldn't trust a single thing they write nowdays...just in that article alone i saw numerous false and misleading statements plus a blatant out of context misinterpretation of a scripture verse...

 

[PennEd]

We have more than enough doctrinal problems with the catholic church than to try and twist this pope's words and the catholic position on this sin. I would ask What Pastor, priest, deacon, or any other clergy is without sin? The question is whether or not the homosexual acknowledges his sin, confesses his sin, and repents of his sin. If so what's the problem here? No one is more adamant against the UNREPENTANT homosexual who claims to be Christian than me, but this pope is right about judging them if they acknowledge their sin IS sin and seek forgiveness.

Speaking to reporters on a flight back from Brazil, he reaffirmed the Roman Catholic Church's position that homosexual acts were sinful, but homosexual orientation was not.
But Pope Francis said gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.
But he condemned what he described as lobbying by gay people.

 

[David_1]

This has been taken out of context, please read the following and tell me How and where he was being a heretic? Please use a bible verse to explain his supposed heresy. If you cannot, please seek forgiveness for breaking one of the ten commandments. (The favourite one to break around here with the conspiracy theories).

Pope opens up on gay priests, says no to women

“I have yet to find anyone who has a business card that says he is gay,” the pontiff said at a press conference in which he addressed the reports of a "gay lobby" within the Vatican.


“They say they exist. If someone is gay, who searches for the Lord and has goodwill, who am I to judge?” he added. "The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well. It says they should not be marginalized because of this (orientation) but that they must be integrated into society."


However, Francis reaffirmed the Catholic Church's teaching that homosexual acts are a sin, Reuters reported..


He added that he thought lobbies of any kind -- including political ones -- were bad.


"The problem is not having this orientation. We must be brothers. The problem is lobbying by this orientation, or lobbies of greedy people, political lobbies, Masonic lobbies, so many lobbies. This is the worse problem," he said.

 

[maxwel]

So if I'm born a woman, become a man surgically, can I be a priest then? If I'm gay, and act the woman's part in my relationship with my partner, can I still be a priest then? What if I'm a lesbian and act like a man in my relationship? I'm waiting for the encyclical on those kinds of questions.

Maybe he just means if you start out thinking you were born gay? Oh, that's right, you'd have to believe in Jesus' ability to heal the psychological problem for that, wouldn't you?

What if you are already a priest and love little boys? We know that one, it's been settled in half the civil courts in the world, you can still be a priest.

Ken... you ask too many questions.
You will NEVER make a good Catholic Priest.

: )

 

[RickShafer]

Getting this thread back to it's original intent, I think all Roboop is saying is to read what the new pope said.
I think it is telling that the new leader of a denomination with such a history of homosexual pedophilia would express such things.
Namely, that it is O.K. for a priest to be gay as long as he doesn't practice it.
(We've all seen how well that has worked out in the past)
- Just what the Roman Catholic Church needs, more sodomites getting ever more frustrated in their imposed 'celibacy'. - (Next to 8-12 year old alter boys no less!)
- - Yea, that sounds like a winning combination for success going forward.

 

[Mammachickadee]

verses being 'left out' is a big debate...i will just say that from the NIV point of view those verses were not in the originals and were -added- later on...at least one of the verses in question has been proven beyond a doubt to be a very late addition...

also since virginia mollenkott was just an english professor she was only a 'style consultant' for the NIV...basically assigned to make sure the translation used good english...she played no part in the textual study or the translation work...and they have not consulted her since 1978...the NIV has been revised twice since then -without- her input...

you should be warned that the 'king james only' movement has become a cult...preaching false doctrines and idolizing quirks in the king james version above the writings of the apostles and prophets themselves...i wouldn't trust a single thing they write nowdays...just in that article alone i saw numerous false and misleading statements plus a blatant out of context misinterpretation of a scripture verse...

<doesn't believe in King James only... but does prefer it

 

[Ritter]

<doesn't believe in King James only... but does prefer it

With or without the apocrypha? Had to say it to bring the conversation full circle.

 

[Shiloah]

The writing of the NIV, Roe v. Wade, and "free love" philosophy all crammed into the 60's and 70's... Can anyone else smell a rat?

So use another translation. There are tons.

 

[RickShafer]

How did a thread started about the current pope excusing homosexuality among the priests, (as long as it is not acted upon); become a debate on the Wescott and Hort 1889 text vs. the Textus Receptus?
- - - Called drifting ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

 

[kenisyes]

Ken... you ask too many questions.
You will NEVER make a good Catholic Priest.

: )

Whew! Thank you for the confirmation.

 

[kenisyes]

This has been taken out of context, please read the following and tell me How and where he was being a heretic? Please use a bible verse to explain his supposed heresy. If you cannot, please seek forgiveness for breaking one of the ten commandments.

There are two contexts to consider. Scripture is clear that gay sexual intercourse (not being "born gay") blocks entrance to the Kingdom of God. That alone allows for any Christian to say "if someone seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge", so you are correct in that. Once they find Jesus, they will get healed of the sin, and how they are born will not matter.

The problem is the Catholic context. First the Catholic church gives ANY priest, including the Pope, the right to judge sins in the place of Christ in the confessional. The Pope, being a priest, is thus being heretical as a Catholic priest. He makes no statement about the sin, what is a sin and what is not a sin. He is implying that the church has no information as to what is right and wrong in being gay. The information is in Scripture, as I just quoted, and it is his job to lead the church by infallible teaching.

Second, a priest needs to be more than a seeker of God and man of goodwill. He is himself a judge of other men's sins. Again, a hair needs to be split here, if you are "in charge".

The correct teaching is that any man who was born gay, and has sinned in the past, should be forgiven these sins, and if he has repented, and is healed enough to lead, may be a priest. But that's a lot of ifs, and the pope is ignoring them all. He is basically trying to encourage gays to look for Jesus, which all of us have a duty to do. But the way he is going about it, is inappopriate for the role he has been entrusted with, and which to catholics is guaranteed correct by direct infallible revelation of God Himself. In this role, he is simply confusing an already complex issue, that is doing nothing but dividing the world already.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

<doesn't believe in King James only... but does prefer it

i am fine with that...but the article you linked to comes from the heretical 'king james only' cult...

 

[iamsoandso]

I'm surprised the media,christian forums ect. haven't yet noticed it also to be an endorsment of adultery.that is in the catholic faith priest wear a wedding band signifying they are married to Christ and are committed to celibacy. or is this an endorsement from the pope that now the priest can be married,to a partner? i am not catholic but if a priest comes forward and announces his intention to be married to a woman and raise a family.how is it that the pope is to judge? well i could carry on and on but,,,if they believe they are espoused to Christ and break this vow whether in the flesh or in thought, it is adultery.

 

[Shiloah]

I'm surprised the media,christian forums ect. haven't yet noticed it also to be an endorsment of adultery.that is in the catholic faith priest wear a wedding band signifying they are married to Christ and are committed to celibacy. or is this an endorsement from the pope that now the priest can be married,to a partner? i am not catholic but if a priest comes forward and announces his intention to be married to a woman and raise a family.how is it that the pope is to judge? well i could carry on and on but,,,if they believe they are espoused to Christ and break this vow whether in the flesh or in thought, it is adultery.

Well surely we're not talking marriage in the same sense as here on earth. God didn't ask the authorities in His church or any member of the body of Christ to not marry here on earth. These people came up with that. Maybe they should've asked God if that was such a good idea. Come to think of it, I think Jesus mentioned that already. He said it was better to marry than to burn. Right? When serving God strictly as perhaps a direct disciple of Christ, yes, it was probably better not to be married. But if you had trouble with natural urges, well than marry. That was about it.