The Antichrist is said to come out of the ten kingdoms,(Horns), Rev 17 says that the ten horns will hate the Harlot making her desolate and naked and will burn her with fire. If the Pope/RCC is the Antichrist/Babylon and the ten horns are ruled by the Antichrist does that mean that the Pope will destroy himself?
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Hello Tanakh,
The big problem with Israel/Jerusalem as being the woman who rides the beast, Mystery, Babylon, is that the woman, that great city is destroyed by the beast and the ten kings sometime during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, so much so that she is said to never to be inhabited ever again, as described below:
* The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters, will never be heard in you
* No worker of any trade will ever be found in you again.
* The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again.
* The light of a lamp will never shine in you again.
* The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again.
As previously stated, after the beast and the ten kings destroy her, she will never be inhabited again. But regarding Jerusalem, we see that it is indeed inhabited during the millennial kingdom:
"When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
According to the scripture above, once Satan is released from the Abyss he gathers those people who are a type of Gog and Magog and they surround the camp of God's people, the city that He loves (Jerusalem), which would demonstrate that Jerusalem will be inhabited during the millennial period.
Conclusion: Israel/Jerusalem cannot be the woman of Rev.17-18
The big problem with Israel/Jerusalem as being the woman who rides the beast, Mystery, Babylon, is that the woman, that great city is destroyed by the beast and the ten kings sometime during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, so much so that she is said to never to be inhabited ever again, as described below:
* The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters, will never be heard in you
* No worker of any trade will ever be found in you again.
* The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again.
* The light of a lamp will never shine in you again.
* The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again.
As previously stated, after the beast and the ten kings destroy her, she will never be inhabited again. But regarding Jerusalem, we see that it is indeed inhabited during the millennial kingdom:
"When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
According to the scripture above, once Satan is released from the Abyss he gathers those people who are a type of Gog and Magog and they surround the camp of God's people, the city that He loves (Jerusalem), which would demonstrate that Jerusalem will be inhabited during the millennial period.
Conclusion: Israel/Jerusalem cannot be the woman of Rev.17-18
Below is the true woman of Revelation 17-18 who is dressed in purple and scarlet:
Rome is that woman who ruled over the kings of the earth as John was receiving the information from the angel
Rome is that city that was literally built on and is famous for her seven hills
Rome is that idolatrous woman with all of her Babylonian pagan practices
Rome/Vatican is the woman who is dressed in purple and scarlet, which are the exact colors that the cardinals and bishops wear, as can be seen above.
Rome is that woman who ruled over the kings of the earth as John was receiving the information from the angel
Rome is that city that was literally built on and is famous for her seven hills
Rome is that idolatrous woman with all of her Babylonian pagan practices
Rome/Vatican is the woman who is dressed in purple and scarlet, which are the exact colors that the cardinals and bishops wear, as can be seen above.
When vatican was re-establish by thee Lateran Treaty of 1929 , as a nation/kingdom the count down from kings began.
Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
the king of rome is waiting for these 10 king , to rise to power , so that he may have the same infulence he lost in the dark ages, by the sword that caused the deadly head wound that occured in 1796 . But we have to be aware not to confuse , these 10 kings as the 2 beast that come out of the earth in revelation 13:11-15 This is a nation with a powerful military apart from the 10 kings but work for the same goal. The beast of the earth has no crowns, no kings, as the rest of the beast in the book of revelations.
Revelation 17 :12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
We can't point as islam or russia or any other country , history clearly shows us who she is identified as drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.
he will destory the false church that has stood for many centuries, and continue to destroy all that do not worship him, as the book of daniel states, until the time Jesus returns 2 Thessalonians 2:8
Shalom
Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
the king of rome is waiting for these 10 king , to rise to power , so that he may have the same infulence he lost in the dark ages, by the sword that caused the deadly head wound that occured in 1796 . But we have to be aware not to confuse , these 10 kings as the 2 beast that come out of the earth in revelation 13:11-15 This is a nation with a powerful military apart from the 10 kings but work for the same goal. The beast of the earth has no crowns, no kings, as the rest of the beast in the book of revelations.
Revelation 17 :12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
We can't point as islam or russia or any other country , history clearly shows us who she is identified as drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.
he will destory the false church that has stood for many centuries, and continue to destroy all that do not worship him, as the book of daniel states, until the time Jesus returns 2 Thessalonians 2:8
Shalom
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The Beast according to Revelation is a King.
[FONT="]10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]11 Concerning the beast who was, and is not, he is the eighth,
and is of the seven, and is going to destruction. Rev 17
[/FONT]The Beast is a King. A king is always a man.
Certainly ancient Israel did some whoring around. Ancient Israel's day ended in 70 ad.
For past 1600 or so years, the Papacy/Vatican has been the supreme spiritual "whore" on earth.
[FONT="]10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]11 Concerning the beast who was, and is not, he is the eighth,
and is of the seven, and is going to destruction. Rev 17
[/FONT]The Beast is a King. A king is always a man.
Certainly ancient Israel did some whoring around. Ancient Israel's day ended in 70 ad.
For past 1600 or so years, the Papacy/Vatican has been the supreme spiritual "whore" on earth.
Below is the true woman of Revelation 17-18 who is dressed in purple and scarlet:
Rome/Vatican is the woman who is dressed in purple and scarlet, which are the exact colors that the cardinals and bishops wear, as can be seen above.
Yes, I believe the Roman catholic church is the whore of Babylon mentioned, and based on the state of the protestant world, embracing pagan doctrines, I'm convinced that several of those denominations are her daughters, as it says she is the mother of harlots. Those daughters are becoming obvious by their joining in this ecumenical movement.
Just to add to your post... some argue that the woman is actually Jerusalem, because they claim the colors are the same, but they miss that extra color, proving the whore's identity is actually the Roman church.
Rev 17:4: "The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls"
("The color for bishops and other prelates is purple, for cardinals scarlet... the prectoral cross should be made of gold and decorated with gems" (Our Sunday visitor's Catholic encyclopedia, 1991, pg 175,178,466)
Jerusalem does not fit because there were 4 colors given by God, to be worn by the priests in Israel - gold, blue, purple and scarlet (Exodus 28). This color blue is not mentioned in Rev 17:4, therefore it cannot be Jerusalem.
Numbers 15:37-40: Again the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue thread in the tassels of the corners. And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the commandments of the Lord and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined, and that you may remember and do all My commandments, and be holy for your God"
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True. Could it be that this person will claim to be from the line of David, which might be what convinces the Jews?
You reminded me of this scripture, which seems to indicate that the 'man of sin' will be a gentile...
Daniel 9:26: "And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah (Jesus) shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people (Romans) of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...."
Yes, Messiah was cut off (fulfilled)
The Romans then destroyed the temple (fulfilled)
The future prince (Antichrist) who is to come (not yet fulfilled) - the clue given is that the people who destroyed the temple (Romans) are of the prince to come, so we know the future prince is someone from the revived Roman empire.
Continuing......
Daniel 9:27: "Then he (roman prince) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week (7 yrs);
But in the middle of the week (3.5 yrs)
he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
Rev 19:19-21: "And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh"
Also these scriptures that he is a Gentile.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Daniel had a vision of 4 beasts,Babylon,Medo-Persia,Greece,the Roman Empire.
The first three will never have dominion again,but their ways are still on earth,Babylon,lion-human religion,Medo-Persia,bear-physical cruelty,Greece,leopard-human wisdom,and the 4th,Roman Empire,iron-pushing for power,territory,world domination,and they all show up at the beast kingdom,the 3 ways of the first three kingdoms,with the physical dominion being the Roman Empire.The kingdom of man in its entirety.
Although all Gentile nations are together,the dominion is the Roman Empire,who has the dominion until God puts them down,and shall devour the earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces.
Which means it will be the Roman Empire's ways that will sweep across the world,and will branch out to ten horns,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and the little horn,the beast,comes from the ten horns.
So the man of sin,the beast,is from the Roman Empire.
The beast kingdom is based on the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,that does not honor any God,but honors the God of forces,or the power of nature,and in to spiritual evolution through nature,which the Bible states the man of sin will be in to those things.
The Bible warns of a false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult,the new age movement,that will be the standard format of the future unified religious system,with an interpretation of the Bible,Islam,and Judaism,to fit that format,and the man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and work from there,and push the new age movement,which will pave the way for the future beast kingdom,where he claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature.
So it is not that the Jews have to accept the antichrist,but it is the new age movement that has to accept him,especially those that are working to cause it to come about,and since the Roman Empire has the dominion,he will not be a Jew.
And then there is that thinking out there,that the 12 lost tribes of Israel are European,and England believes the throne of David moved to England,giving them the God given right to rule the world,and the royal family of the lineage of David.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Daniel had a vision of 4 beasts,Babylon,Medo-Persia,Greece,the Roman Empire.
The first three will never have dominion again,but their ways are still on earth,Babylon,lion-human religion,Medo-Persia,bear-physical cruelty,Greece,leopard-human wisdom,and the 4th,Roman Empire,iron-pushing for power,territory,world domination,and they all show up at the beast kingdom,the 3 ways of the first three kingdoms,with the physical dominion being the Roman Empire.The kingdom of man in its entirety.
Although all Gentile nations are together,the dominion is the Roman Empire,who has the dominion until God puts them down,and shall devour the earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces.
Which means it will be the Roman Empire's ways that will sweep across the world,and will branch out to ten horns,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and the little horn,the beast,comes from the ten horns.
So the man of sin,the beast,is from the Roman Empire.
The beast kingdom is based on the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,that does not honor any God,but honors the God of forces,or the power of nature,and in to spiritual evolution through nature,which the Bible states the man of sin will be in to those things.
The Bible warns of a false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult,the new age movement,that will be the standard format of the future unified religious system,with an interpretation of the Bible,Islam,and Judaism,to fit that format,and the man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and work from there,and push the new age movement,which will pave the way for the future beast kingdom,where he claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature.
So it is not that the Jews have to accept the antichrist,but it is the new age movement that has to accept him,especially those that are working to cause it to come about,and since the Roman Empire has the dominion,he will not be a Jew.
And then there is that thinking out there,that the 12 lost tribes of Israel are European,and England believes the throne of David moved to England,giving them the God given right to rule the world,and the royal family of the lineage of David.
Hello Roger,
Daniel states that this beast, that eighth king, comes from that succession of seven kings. But I think that there is another issue to keep in mind and that is that beast will receive a fatal wound i.e. something that is not survivable. This along with the miracles, signs and wonders that the false prophet will be performing, will be for the purpose of deceiving not only Israel, but the entire world. It is not until the abomination is set up in the middle of the seven years that Israel flees out into the desert to that place prepared for her by God (Rev.12:6,14), realizing that he is not their Messiah. She then remains out there for that last 3 1/2 years until the Lord returns to the earth to end the age.
Daniel states that this beast, that eighth king, comes from that succession of seven kings. But I think that there is another issue to keep in mind and that is that beast will receive a fatal wound i.e. something that is not survivable. This along with the miracles, signs and wonders that the false prophet will be performing, will be for the purpose of deceiving not only Israel, but the entire world. It is not until the abomination is set up in the middle of the seven years that Israel flees out into the desert to that place prepared for her by God (Rev.12:6,14), realizing that he is not their Messiah. She then remains out there for that last 3 1/2 years until the Lord returns to the earth to end the age.
Well said! The other closer as Jerusalem not being the woman of Rev.17-18, is the fact that Mystery, Babylon the great, that city that sits on seven hills/mountains, is destroyed by the beast and the ten kings so that no one can ever inhabit that city again (Rev.18:22-23). Regarding this, Jerusalem is shown to be inhabited during the millennial period right up to the end of the thousand years (Rev.20:9)
Therefore since Mystery Babylon is said to be destroyed and never to be inhabited again and Jerusalem is shown to be inhabited at the end of the millennial period, Jerusalem cannot be Mystery Babylon.
Therefore since Mystery Babylon is said to be destroyed and never to be inhabited again and Jerusalem is shown to be inhabited at the end of the millennial period, Jerusalem cannot be Mystery Babylon.
The disconnect for me is that I see the scriptures speaking of Rome as being the final empire that gets destroyed by Christ... that it's all about Rome, and this (Roman) prince (Antichrist) will come out of this revived Rome... the Roman feet separating into 10 toes that represent the 10 kingdoms of Rome (revived).
The scriptures seem to also imply something like communism/fascism, which if you think about it, this in itself would destroy all religion, making it illegal to believe in anything other than that particular system. So it would also destroy the vatican. And I don't believe Antichrist would want to share power with anyone else. But the Antichrist and false prophet are around until the end, since they both get cast into the fire alive, so we know the Antichrist does not kill the false prophet, but potentially just the religion itself.
Many are saying (including catholics) that they think the current pope is an imposter, since he's destroying their church from within, and many have said the Vatican has an empty chair currently. I've also read articles where he likened communists to christians (among other questionable things), which is an odd thing to say for a leader who claims to "represent" Christ.
God warns that the plagues falling on the Babylonian church will also fall on the daughters, and the scriptures say He is calling out the true believers from these systems or they will suffer the same plagues. For whatever reason they have not yet come out. Maybe some started as catholics who then got saved and just never left that church, while others are not believers. Maybe the plagues could be that they will suffer physical death and are being warned to come out. Those who listen avoid this coming plague.
I need to do more reading of the scriptures, but feel free to shed some light on it
The son of perdition was a title reserved for only two individuals in scripture... Judas and the future Antichrist. It basically means eternally damned while still alive and no true believer would ever be given that title. But yes, goes to show how God feels about those individuals that they would be given this name. As He said to Judas, it would have been better if he had not been born.
Catholicism teaches a different gospel, but God still gets through as there are plenty of ex catholics who get saved and then come out of these false systems. Ex priests even who were convicted of their sins. I read one testimony of a priest who was convicted after reading Hebrews 10:11-14. Only God knew JF Kennedy's heart and whether he had the true faith, or whether he was instead believing the catholic version of the gospel.
Catholicism teaches a different gospel, but God still gets through as there are plenty of ex catholics who get saved and then come out of these false systems. Ex priests even who were convicted of their sins. I read one testimony of a priest who was convicted after reading Hebrews 10:11-14. Only God knew JF Kennedy's heart and whether he had the true faith, or whether he was instead believing the catholic version of the gospel.
The antichrist does not go against the false prophet,for he is like the ten horns,they really do not want the unified religious system,but it was only a stepping stone to the coming beast kingdom,it paved the way for the beast kingdom to come about,for it put the world unto the belief that the man of sin wanted them to have before he claims to be God,and that is the harnessing of nature for power,spiritual evolution,which when he claims to be God,he will convince them that he did it by the harnessing of nature,the new age concept that the world has been believing in the unified religious system,so it is easy for them to accept the antichrist claiming to be God through nature,for that was the unified religious system's beliefs,and the purpose for it.
They never wanted the unified religious system,not the man of sin,not the false prophet,and not the ten horns,it was only a system to get the world indoctrinated for what the beast kingdom will be about,spiritual evolution through nature,and then when the man of sin claims to be God,then they will do away with the system,they need it no more,for the beast exalts himself above all that is called God,or is worshipped,and exalts himself above all people,and he believes in no personal God,but the power of nature is his God.
It is the same with secret societies,and inner circles of the occult,like in Freemasonry,and the new age movement,and all other occult groups,which have an inner circle,and an outer circle.
They are too extreme in their occult beliefs for the general masses,for they would never accept them if they were public,so they put out a lighter version of their ways,in the outer circle of Freemasonry,outer circle of the new age movement,and all occult organizations,a version that is easier to swallow,more mellow in the occult,sounds like it could be the truth,but is still about harnessing nature for power,and let human nature takes its course,for it is lighter version of the occult,and not the extreme ways of the inner circle,but it causes the flesh to want more power,exalt themselves more,and after that working for a while,when the world gets to the beast kingdom,the outer circle became the inner circle lusting for power like a big dog.
The things they used to do for spiritual enlightenment like Yoga,crystals,aligning their chakras,and all that,are now like baby rattlers to them,and they want serious power now,and put them baby toys away.
The outer circle became the inner circle,and the beast kingdom will now be accepted,and implemented,that is inner circle,extreme occult all the way,with a kingdom set up for the worship of Lucifer,for all who do not love Jesus will worship the beast,and worship the dragon who gave power unto the beast.
They are intentionally setting up a kingdom for the worship of Lucifer,and the unified religious system got the juices flowing in the occult until it is bubbling,and boiling over,with them salivating,and craving some serious power,and put all the baby toys away,and they will believe that the New Age Christ will restore the hidden mysteries of the past,and mankind can get back the power that they used to possess in the past.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
The antichrist,the false prophet,and the ten horns,never wanted the unified religious system,but it was a tool used to provide the way they wanted them to think,and get caught up more in the occult,and become like the inner circle,so they will be accepting of the beast kingdom when the man of sin claims to be God,which then they have no need for her anymore,and they get rid of her,for they believe the antichrist is above all that they could ever practice,and believe,in the occult,and benefit them farther than all their practices they have practiced for spiritual enlightenment,spiritual evolution.
They want serious power now,and they say to the man of sin,bring it don't sing it.
The outer circle will become the inner circle,because the flesh will take its course among the wicked,and they never wanted then unified religious system,but was a tool used to provide that occult 101 basic training,and like the military they moved up the ranks,but in lusting for more power,and by the time they get to the beast kingdom they are dripping with arrogance,and want some serious power through nature.
And they will be like children wanting that candy to be distributed to them by the antichrist,occult powers given to them,and they will gobble it down for an occult sugar rush.
They never wanted the unified religious system,not the man of sin,not the false prophet,and not the ten horns,it was only a system to get the world indoctrinated for what the beast kingdom will be about,spiritual evolution through nature,and then when the man of sin claims to be God,then they will do away with the system,they need it no more,for the beast exalts himself above all that is called God,or is worshipped,and exalts himself above all people,and he believes in no personal God,but the power of nature is his God.
It is the same with secret societies,and inner circles of the occult,like in Freemasonry,and the new age movement,and all other occult groups,which have an inner circle,and an outer circle.
They are too extreme in their occult beliefs for the general masses,for they would never accept them if they were public,so they put out a lighter version of their ways,in the outer circle of Freemasonry,outer circle of the new age movement,and all occult organizations,a version that is easier to swallow,more mellow in the occult,sounds like it could be the truth,but is still about harnessing nature for power,and let human nature takes its course,for it is lighter version of the occult,and not the extreme ways of the inner circle,but it causes the flesh to want more power,exalt themselves more,and after that working for a while,when the world gets to the beast kingdom,the outer circle became the inner circle lusting for power like a big dog.
The things they used to do for spiritual enlightenment like Yoga,crystals,aligning their chakras,and all that,are now like baby rattlers to them,and they want serious power now,and put them baby toys away.
The outer circle became the inner circle,and the beast kingdom will now be accepted,and implemented,that is inner circle,extreme occult all the way,with a kingdom set up for the worship of Lucifer,for all who do not love Jesus will worship the beast,and worship the dragon who gave power unto the beast.
They are intentionally setting up a kingdom for the worship of Lucifer,and the unified religious system got the juices flowing in the occult until it is bubbling,and boiling over,with them salivating,and craving some serious power,and put all the baby toys away,and they will believe that the New Age Christ will restore the hidden mysteries of the past,and mankind can get back the power that they used to possess in the past.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
The antichrist,the false prophet,and the ten horns,never wanted the unified religious system,but it was a tool used to provide the way they wanted them to think,and get caught up more in the occult,and become like the inner circle,so they will be accepting of the beast kingdom when the man of sin claims to be God,which then they have no need for her anymore,and they get rid of her,for they believe the antichrist is above all that they could ever practice,and believe,in the occult,and benefit them farther than all their practices they have practiced for spiritual enlightenment,spiritual evolution.
They want serious power now,and they say to the man of sin,bring it don't sing it.
The outer circle will become the inner circle,because the flesh will take its course among the wicked,and they never wanted then unified religious system,but was a tool used to provide that occult 101 basic training,and like the military they moved up the ranks,but in lusting for more power,and by the time they get to the beast kingdom they are dripping with arrogance,and want some serious power through nature.
And they will be like children wanting that candy to be distributed to them by the antichrist,occult powers given to them,and they will gobble it down for an occult sugar rush.
Satan does have his fingers in many pies, but counterfeit christianity is a dangerous thing, because people are easily deceived by it. Even atheists regard the pope as representing christianity. The majority focus on Islam and the terrorism, the blatant evils that can be seen, not paying attention to deceptive evils that come in sheep's clothing.
2 Cor 11:13-15: "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works"
Matthew 7:15: "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves"
Catholicism isn't declining either. It's dragging protestant churches under it's roof, trying to bring in unity within the christian world (ecumenical movement).
The disconnect for me is that I see the scriptures speaking of Rome as being the final empire that gets destroyed by Christ... that it's all about Rome, and this (Roman) prince (Antichrist) will come out of this revived Rome... the Roman feet separating into 10 toes that represent the 10 kingdoms of Rome (revived).
The scriptures seem to also imply something like communism/fascism, which if you think about it, this in itself would destroy all religion, making it illegal to believe in anything other than that particular system. So it would also destroy the vatican. And I don't believe Antichrist would want to share power with anyone else. But the Antichrist and false prophet are around until the end, since they both get cast into the fire alive, so we know the Antichrist does not kill the false prophet, but potentially just the religion itself.
Many are saying (including catholics) that they think the current pope is an imposter, since he's destroying their church from within, and many have said the Vatican has an empty chair currently. I've also read articles where he likened communists to christians (among other questionable things), which is an odd thing to say for a leader who claims to "represent" Christ.
God warns that the plagues falling on the Babylonian church will also fall on the daughters, and the scriptures say He is calling out the true believers from these systems or they will suffer the same plagues. For whatever reason they have not yet come out. Maybe some started as catholics who then got saved and just never left that church, while others are not believers. Maybe the plagues could be that they will suffer physical death and are being warned to come out. Those who listen avoid this coming plague.
I need to do more reading of the scriptures, but feel free to shed some light on it
The scriptures seem to also imply something like communism/fascism, which if you think about it, this in itself would destroy all religion, making it illegal to believe in anything other than that particular system. So it would also destroy the vatican. And I don't believe Antichrist would want to share power with anyone else. But the Antichrist and false prophet are around until the end, since they both get cast into the fire alive, so we know the Antichrist does not kill the false prophet, but potentially just the religion itself.
Many are saying (including catholics) that they think the current pope is an imposter, since he's destroying their church from within, and many have said the Vatican has an empty chair currently. I've also read articles where he likened communists to christians (among other questionable things), which is an odd thing to say for a leader who claims to "represent" Christ.
God warns that the plagues falling on the Babylonian church will also fall on the daughters, and the scriptures say He is calling out the true believers from these systems or they will suffer the same plagues. For whatever reason they have not yet come out. Maybe some started as catholics who then got saved and just never left that church, while others are not believers. Maybe the plagues could be that they will suffer physical death and are being warned to come out. Those who listen avoid this coming plague.
I need to do more reading of the scriptures, but feel free to shed some light on it
From scripture I personally believe that the headquarters of the woman who sits on seven hills is going to be nuked by the beast and the ten kings and for the following reasons:
"The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire."
"When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her.Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry"
"The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn and cry out"
"Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off.When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘Was there ever a city like this great city?
And
* The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters, will never be heard in you
* No worker of any trade will ever be found in you again.
* The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again.
* The light of a lamp will never shine in you again.
* The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again.
I feel the reason that the kings, the merchants, the sea captains, etc., will be "standing far off" is because they will be keeping their distance because of the nuclear contamination. That in combination with the fact that the prostitute, that city on seven hills, will never be inhabited again, strengthens my position on her being nuked. But that is just my observation from the previously mentioned details.
Normally, if a city is destroyed by fire, like San Francisco for example, people go back in, clean up and rebuild. The fact that no one will ever inhabit that city ever again, tells me that something will be keeping people from being able to go back in to clean up and rebuild. I believe that something will be nuclear contamination.