Should the US execute the drug dealers?

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jameen

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President Trump agrees that anyone who is found guilty of the crime of illegal drug trade in the US will be executed. Do you agree with this?
 

Billyd

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I believe that any illegal drug sale that results in the death of the buyer should be prosecuted as 1st degree murder. I believe that the sale of illegal drugs is attempted 1st degree murder.

Punishment should be commensurate with those crimes.
 

AdolfHipster

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Only if they get to do the same to Big Pharma... The only difference is the government allows some toxic ineffective drugs to be legal while making other drugs illegal (marijuana, cocaine, etc...) so they don't need to use terrorism to deal their drugs like the cartels. Okay, maybe I'm being a bit unfair in comparing Big Pharma to drug cartels, but it isn't that hyperbolic.

I don't think killing drug dealers is an effective way to stop illegal drugs. Did drugs stop when Pablo Escobar was killed? What happened? Oh... other drug Lords come into power and other cartels get stronger? What would be the point in killing them then? Revenge? I'd rather they lock them up personally... but NOT in their own prisons like Escobar did, what a joke. lol They fear American prisons, send them there.

Even drugs follow in the same basic supply/demand. If people stopped using, they would stop making because it wouldn't be profitable. It sounds like the best plan is to deliver people from addiction rather than killing drug dealers.
 
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If its the head of a drug cartel, then yes I think he should be executed... If its just a local pot dealer, then no.
 

AdolfHipster

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If its the head of a drug cartel, then yes I think he should be executed... If its just a local pot dealer, then no.
I'm pretty open-minded, so I'm curious what you think executing the drug lords would accomplish that locking them up in American prisons couldn't? An isolated prison is worse in their eyes... look at the history of extradition in Colombia. It was the entire purpose of why Pablo Escobar got into politics... to prevent going to American prisons in the event he and other drug lords were captured.
 

Desdichado

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This sounds more like a state issue than a federal issue unless we're talking about drug importation or maybe drug trafficking across state lines.

Either way, the federal gov shouldn't be handing out death sentences unless there is real, verifiable treason afoot.

Also, I would love to know how we define "big drug dealer." An overzealous prosecutor may stick the label on a guy who negligently leaves his legitimately prescribed hydrocodone on the counter when one of his son's buddies comes over.
 
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President Trump agrees that anyone who is found guilty of the crime of illegal drug trade in the US will be executed. Do you agree with this?
No. All drug sales/purchases (pharmaceutical or street) are voluntary and should be legal as all parties are in agreement.

....Hey Des ;)
 
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I'm pretty open-minded, so I'm curious what you think executing the drug lords would accomplish that locking them up in American prisons couldn't? An isolated prison is worse in their eyes... look at the history of extradition in Colombia. It was the entire purpose of why Pablo Escobar got into politics... to prevent going to American prisons in the event he and other drug lords were captured.
Cartel leaders murder people all the time. They are not just drug dealers. They're cold-blooded murderers as well.
 

Socreta93

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no, we aren't savages. Come on people
 

HeraldtheNews

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President Trump agrees that anyone who is found guilty of the crime of illegal drug trade in the US will be executed. Do you agree with this?
I support President Trump on many issues, but not on execution of criminals. The death penalty is too subject to errors, and sophisticated manipulation, i.e., altered electronic evidence, DNA evidence, etc... The justice system in the USA is too chaotic, arbitrary, too drug-centered, too discriminatory towards minorities, too ineffective towards preventing crime, too costly, too severe for first-offenders, and low-offenders and impaired offenders, or young offenders, causing permanent social and mental damage to vulnerable individuals, or even their deaths for low-offenses.

The answer is not increasing capital punishment in a civilized society, which amounts to pre-mediated, calculated murder by civil authority and by default, by citizens. The answer also can not be found in directing scarce police resources to drug-crimes, which is a war that can not be won the way it is being fought.
The answer is in making drugs less valuable and less-appealing to criminal elements--

Finding a cure for the disease, not more opium for the pain--
Finding peace, and calming the seas, not just pursuing capital gain.
Becoming more sure,
of God's perfect plan;
not dying on the street,
alone in the rain.
More killing, can never stop the war on drugs;
Or being willing to blow away more thugs.
There's more power in the Name of the LORD,
than any heroin high, or any pointless ward.
Can't kill demons with any weapon;
Except the Word of God's Mighty Sword,
of Truth, in Jesus Name;
that takes no abuse;
And no excuse, or blame-games.
Only Heaven's Light,
can end these street fights;
and bring peace to the world.
 

Desdichado

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There are days I just want to tear off my shirt, smear mud on my face, and go full on AnCap. :p

No. All drug sales/purchases (pharmaceutical or street) are voluntary and should be legal as all parties are in agreement.

....Hey Des ;)
 

Magenta

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President Trump agrees that anyone who is found guilty of the crime of illegal drug trade in the US will be executed. Do you agree with this?
Many years ago, the Canadian government was going to make over-the-counter sales of Vitamin C illegal, at the same time as they were clearing other nutritional supplements from store shelves and deeming them unsafe for the public, though they have been made more freely available now. They claimed the reason we should have to go to a doctor (and further tax our already over-burdened health care system) to get a prescription for Vitamin C (in a dosage of 5 mg, when many take 1k @ a time, and even an orange typically has 60 mgs) is because in essence we are diagnosing ourselves, which we are not qualified to do; apparently, we are too stupid to know when we may be in need of vitamin supplements. I wondered where such big pharma backed shenanigans might draw the line. Are we not diagnosing ourselves to say we are thirsty, and need a glass of water? Sometimes, the things the government decides is in our best interest, is really the best interest of some multi-national corporation that wishes to place a strangle-hold on some competing market that is cutting into their already ginormous profit margin.

I realize the drug issue is different, but whenever the
government gets involved, one needs to tread carefully.
 

SpoonJuly

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No. All drug sales/purchases (pharmaceutical or street) are voluntary and should be legal as all parties are in agreement.

....Hey Des ;)
That is a sick attitude. I hope you get caught very soon before you destroy your life or some one else's life.
 

Magenta

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No. All drug sales/purchases (pharmaceutical or street) are voluntary and should be legal as all parties are in agreement.
When a drug user purchases heroin and dies of a fentanyl overdose, do you think they agreed to that? Or when a teen who pays her dealer extra NOT to have fentanyl in whatever dope she is using, dies of a fentanyl overdose, do you believe she was in agreement with that?

Here in British Columbia (the west coast of Canada), in 2017 there were 1,422 suspected drug overdose deaths. This is a 43% increase from the number of overdose deaths in 2016 (993). The number of illicit drug overdose deaths in 2017 equates to about 3.9 deaths per day for the year. (
Source: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/public-safety-and-emergency-services/death-investigation/statistical/illicit-drug.pdf)

Do you think that the majority of these people were informed that there was fentanyl in the drugs they were using? The amount of fentanyl required to kill a person is about the size of a grain of salt.
 

Dude653

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No.
We should end the war on drugs completely
 

Deade

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No. All drug sales/purchases (pharmaceutical or street) are voluntary and should be legal as all parties are in agreement.

....Hey Des ;)
You may have a point there. The war on drugs started out all wrong and has been heading down the wrong path since. If we were to legalize all drugs, even recreational drugs, we could better regulate them and tax them. Better regulation with cut down on the overdose deaths. The taxes will help our deteriorating infrastructure.

Our prison systems are all wrong. It rewards criminals with free room and board once we remove them from society. I wrote a book about the Old Testament Israel and how God ordained Cities of Refuge. Thieves were on the restitution system. God's instructions to ancient Israel is how we should conduct our governments. For those of you that are aghast at the idea of recreational drugs, it's no different than alcohol. We tried to take that away and look at all the crime Prohibition brought about. You make something legal, you shut down the black markets.

There is nothing we can do to stop the idiots from taking drugs. As long as there is a market for something, there will be a supply. We just need to keep them off the streets while intoxicated. The crimes perpetrated while selling should be punished, just as they are. There is no way to do it perfectly, but we can do better than we are. :cool:
 

Desdichado

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He was probably hoping someone would say something along those lines. Sick, sick man.

One of these days he'll see the light and join me in the grand mincarchy.

That is a sick attitude. I hope you get caught very soon before you destroy your life or some one else's life.
 

Tommy379

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That is a sick attitude. I hope you get caught very soon before you destroy your life or some one else's life.
What would he be caught doing?

Is it a crime now to express an opinion on drug policy?
 

Tommy379

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Maybe the feds interest should be the importation and interstate commerce of drugs.

The feds should focus on assassinating drug kingpins and dropping napalm on coca, poppy, and cannabis fields.