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Ok for context I originally said:
"We can not be partial with the word because Messiah said not one jot or tittle is removed from the word until all is fulfilled." Implying all of The Word - as in passages - is not yet fulfilled, and that we can't be partial with it, just picking out passages out of context to fit to what's going on (what's going on must fit passages...)
Then Cameron's point:
"Jesus fulfilled the law, was accepted of God, and rested. Everything necessary to now have everything placed under His feet has been accomplished. History is now the playing out of all that He accomplished."
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When I use the word "Word" im using it how Messiah used the word "Law", which includes The OT, The Prophetic books, but now also the Letters and Revelation. And when I use the word "fulfilled" I mean "has happened".
I'd say by my estimates about half of the passages that say what the Messiah will do have happened while the other half prophesying what He will do hasn't happened yet.
This is why I said what Cameron says sounds good and Christians but it's not scriptural. its not complete because the notion suggests there's nothing else in the scripture left for Messiah to do.
He came as the suffering servant. He comes again as the conquering king. If we believe He will return to conquer we are acknowledging those unfulfilled passages in the OT, Prophetic books, and letters. He will stand up from His seat at the right hand when The Father tells Him it's time...this is why I emphasized "until" in the passage.
I'm willing to expand on specifics if you want.
[You may want to take these responses separate, but I'm putting them together trying to rush before getting to work...]
The point here was again to point out that taking passages out of context leads to deception. ThereRoseALamb often references Romans 11, which is truth because it was written by Paul until the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. But if that is all that is accepted about Israel then it can lead to deception.
But to your disagreement, the book of Romans was written to those after ancient Israel and after Messiah said they were now in judgment. Yet we have the promise affirmed in Chapter 11 that a remnant of natural Israel will still receive the promises given in the OT. Now is the modern State of Israel that remnant? Absolutely not.
Ok for context I originally said:
"We can not be partial with the word because Messiah said not one jot or tittle is removed from the word until all is fulfilled." Implying all of The Word - as in passages - is not yet fulfilled, and that we can't be partial with it, just picking out passages out of context to fit to what's going on (what's going on must fit passages...)
Then Cameron's point:
"Jesus fulfilled the law, was accepted of God, and rested. Everything necessary to now have everything placed under His feet has been accomplished. History is now the playing out of all that He accomplished."
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When I use the word "Word" im using it how Messiah used the word "Law", which includes The OT, The Prophetic books, but now also the Letters and Revelation. And when I use the word "fulfilled" I mean "has happened".
I'd say by my estimates about half of the passages that say what the Messiah will do have happened while the other half prophesying what He will do hasn't happened yet.
This is why I said what Cameron says sounds good and Christians but it's not scriptural. its not complete because the notion suggests there's nothing else in the scripture left for Messiah to do.
He came as the suffering servant. He comes again as the conquering king. If we believe He will return to conquer we are acknowledging those unfulfilled passages in the OT, Prophetic books, and letters. He will stand up from His seat at the right hand when The Father tells Him it's time...this is why I emphasized "until" in the passage.
I'm willing to expand on specifics if you want.
[You may want to take these responses separate, but I'm putting them together trying to rush before getting to work...]
The point here was again to point out that taking passages out of context leads to deception. ThereRoseALamb often references Romans 11, which is truth because it was written by Paul until the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. But if that is all that is accepted about Israel then it can lead to deception.
But to your disagreement, the book of Romans was written to those after ancient Israel and after Messiah said they were now in judgment. Yet we have the promise affirmed in Chapter 11 that a remnant of natural Israel will still receive the promises given in the OT. Now is the modern State of Israel that remnant? Absolutely not.
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Archie Bunker had more smarts than the children of the bondwoman way back in 72!
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No. As High Priest, He came to restore the breach. But as King of kings, He will usher in the Kingdom. This is why during His ministry He kept running away from those who tried to set Him up as king. It wasn't time.
He preached about the coming kingdom during His ministry, saying anyone who wants to be part of the kingdom should repent now, but it was not time to usher in the kingdom. He had a critical first task to accomplish (The Cross). He actually told His disciples to keep His mission a secret.
Recall after the Resurrection (in Acts 1) that the apostles ask Him this question. They asked "Is now the time to restore the kingdom of Israel?" ("The kingdom of Israel" and "the kingdom of God" and "the kingdom of heaven" are always used interchangeably), to which He answered, "It isn't for you to know the times and seasons that The Father has set in His Authority. But when the Holy Spirit comes upon you you will preach." (paraphrasing). It wasn't yet time to usher in the kingdom. It was time to cleanse and to build.
This is the plan of The Almighty laid out in bullet form:
1. Create mankind in His image, give Him dominion and dwell with mankind forever
His Word can not return to Him void but must accomplish what He set out to do.
Problem: Mankind broke the law and deserved to die...but His Word is not voided. So corrupted man has dominion. Corrupted man must be cleansed. He will not start over else He is a liar.
Solution:
1. Establish His royal nation of priests. He picks Israel.
2. Spread the knowledge of Yah to the nations as His representatives. Cleaning them up.
3. Defeat sin and then death and then dwell with mankind forever
His Word can not return to Him void but must accomplish what He set out to do.
Problem: That selected nation broke the (marriage) covenant and deserved to die. But His Word can not return to Him void. He picked Israel.
Solution: Send The Messiah to restore what was broken. Until He comes, have them rehearse what He will do.
1. The Messiah comes to die in the place of Israel to pay the price. This was the reason for all the blood rituals they had to do; to rehearse/predict year after year what Messiah would do to redeem Israel. These blood works were what He fulfilled as High Priest.
2. The people of Judah (southern house) reject Him. He is killed. Though it was part of the plan, Judah still had to pay for murdering the innocent and rejecting The Almighty's Son. The new covenant was entered into by the few (Jews first) who heard and accepted it.
3. The Messiah ascends to heaven with His blood to cleanse the Tabernacle.
4. The Holy Spirit descends on the disciples.
Next phase: Spread the Gospel of the New Covenant to the northern house and to Gentiles. Recall that the northern house has never returned but was sown into the nations. So by all accounts, they are equally considered "Gentiles".
His Word can not return to Him void but must accomplish what He set out to do. "The 12 tribes of Israel" are the royal priesthood that will spread the knowledge of Yah to the nations. The Almighty can't be considered a liar. So he is (re)building that Holy nation brick by brick: Believing Jew, Believing Gentile. Messiah is currently resting at the right hand.
1. Paul to the Communities, synagogues, and churches...particularly in Gentile communities.
2. Meanwhile, Judah is scattered and punished for their crimes.
3. The nations are blessed with riches and with opportunity for salvation (the gospel; the new covenant)
4. Satan is cast to earth having no longer a place in heaven because Triumphant Messiah is there.
Problem: satan is extremely wrought and will do whatever he can to the inhabitants of the earth, and especially to the people from whom Messiah came.
Solution: satan's lies and violence serve as the Almighty's punishment upon the Jews for their crime against the Messiah. "Woah unto the inhabitants of the earth".
1. The Almighty leaves the world to reap what it sows while He continues to build.
2. The Almighty preserves, protects, prunes, and waters as more Gentiles and Jews are grafted in through belief in the Messiah across the centuries.
3. meanwhile satan builds and perfects his kingdom of lies and death.
We are here by my estimates. But soon...
1. The Almighty will give Messiah the word and He will stand up. He will assume the work of conquering King.
2. He will descend, awaken those who sleep in Him, and gather all of The Almighty's Holy Bricks as a great army.
3. As King of Israel, He will lead those He gathers into the Holy Land, ushering in the Kingdom. He will enter into the new covenant with the many (both houses; Believing Jews and Believing Gentiles).
4. He will obliterate the standing army of satan as well as those institutions that perpetuated his lies.
5. He will outlaw all teaching of the scriptures except by those who are authorized (i.e., those appointed as royal priests with Him), bounding satan so that no deception can spread during this time.
6. He and the royal priests will teach the nations for 1000 years spreading the knowledge of Yah. This work finally gives everyone a real chance to know the truth and to make an informed choice about the Father and the Son.
His Word can not return to Him void but must accomplish what He set out to do. " The 12 tribes of Israel" are the royal priesthood, made up of believers ("natural" branches and "wild" branches) that spread the knowledge of Yah to the nations.
7. After 1000 years, the rest of the nations will resurrect (and satan will be loosed as a consequence). Those who refuse to accept the truth will gather together with a plan to decimate the kingdom (Gog/Magog). And as soon as they are all gathered, The Almighty will annihilate them with fire from heaven.
It may even be the case that The Almighty IS the fire from heaven (He is a consuming fire; burning bush). And as He descends all remaining evil is eradicated as an effect.
8. With all evil wiped from existence, death & the grave are then destroyed. The Messiah hands over the keys back to The Father and we dwell with Him forever.
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The ritual of The Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16) prophesies the two works of the Messiah. The first work/goat is killed and its blood is used to cleanse the tabernacle (Hebrews 10). The second work/goat is taken, the High Priest confesses all sins to it and then it is led away into the wilderness.
He preached about the coming kingdom during His ministry, saying anyone who wants to be part of the kingdom should repent now, but it was not time to usher in the kingdom. He had a critical first task to accomplish (The Cross). He actually told His disciples to keep His mission a secret.
Recall after the Resurrection (in Acts 1) that the apostles ask Him this question. They asked "Is now the time to restore the kingdom of Israel?" ("The kingdom of Israel" and "the kingdom of God" and "the kingdom of heaven" are always used interchangeably), to which He answered, "It isn't for you to know the times and seasons that The Father has set in His Authority. But when the Holy Spirit comes upon you you will preach." (paraphrasing). It wasn't yet time to usher in the kingdom. It was time to cleanse and to build.
This is the plan of The Almighty laid out in bullet form:
1. Create mankind in His image, give Him dominion and dwell with mankind forever
His Word can not return to Him void but must accomplish what He set out to do.
Problem: Mankind broke the law and deserved to die...but His Word is not voided. So corrupted man has dominion. Corrupted man must be cleansed. He will not start over else He is a liar.
Solution:
1. Establish His royal nation of priests. He picks Israel.
2. Spread the knowledge of Yah to the nations as His representatives. Cleaning them up.
3. Defeat sin and then death and then dwell with mankind forever
His Word can not return to Him void but must accomplish what He set out to do.
Problem: That selected nation broke the (marriage) covenant and deserved to die. But His Word can not return to Him void. He picked Israel.
Solution: Send The Messiah to restore what was broken. Until He comes, have them rehearse what He will do.
1. The Messiah comes to die in the place of Israel to pay the price. This was the reason for all the blood rituals they had to do; to rehearse/predict year after year what Messiah would do to redeem Israel. These blood works were what He fulfilled as High Priest.
2. The people of Judah (southern house) reject Him. He is killed. Though it was part of the plan, Judah still had to pay for murdering the innocent and rejecting The Almighty's Son. The new covenant was entered into by the few (Jews first) who heard and accepted it.
3. The Messiah ascends to heaven with His blood to cleanse the Tabernacle.
4. The Holy Spirit descends on the disciples.
Next phase: Spread the Gospel of the New Covenant to the northern house and to Gentiles. Recall that the northern house has never returned but was sown into the nations. So by all accounts, they are equally considered "Gentiles".
His Word can not return to Him void but must accomplish what He set out to do. "The 12 tribes of Israel" are the royal priesthood that will spread the knowledge of Yah to the nations. The Almighty can't be considered a liar. So he is (re)building that Holy nation brick by brick: Believing Jew, Believing Gentile. Messiah is currently resting at the right hand.
1. Paul to the Communities, synagogues, and churches...particularly in Gentile communities.
2. Meanwhile, Judah is scattered and punished for their crimes.
3. The nations are blessed with riches and with opportunity for salvation (the gospel; the new covenant)
4. Satan is cast to earth having no longer a place in heaven because Triumphant Messiah is there.
Problem: satan is extremely wrought and will do whatever he can to the inhabitants of the earth, and especially to the people from whom Messiah came.
Solution: satan's lies and violence serve as the Almighty's punishment upon the Jews for their crime against the Messiah. "Woah unto the inhabitants of the earth".
1. The Almighty leaves the world to reap what it sows while He continues to build.
2. The Almighty preserves, protects, prunes, and waters as more Gentiles and Jews are grafted in through belief in the Messiah across the centuries.
3. meanwhile satan builds and perfects his kingdom of lies and death.
We are here by my estimates. But soon...
1. The Almighty will give Messiah the word and He will stand up. He will assume the work of conquering King.
2. He will descend, awaken those who sleep in Him, and gather all of The Almighty's Holy Bricks as a great army.
3. As King of Israel, He will lead those He gathers into the Holy Land, ushering in the Kingdom. He will enter into the new covenant with the many (both houses; Believing Jews and Believing Gentiles).
4. He will obliterate the standing army of satan as well as those institutions that perpetuated his lies.
5. He will outlaw all teaching of the scriptures except by those who are authorized (i.e., those appointed as royal priests with Him), bounding satan so that no deception can spread during this time.
6. He and the royal priests will teach the nations for 1000 years spreading the knowledge of Yah. This work finally gives everyone a real chance to know the truth and to make an informed choice about the Father and the Son.
His Word can not return to Him void but must accomplish what He set out to do. " The 12 tribes of Israel" are the royal priesthood, made up of believers ("natural" branches and "wild" branches) that spread the knowledge of Yah to the nations.
7. After 1000 years, the rest of the nations will resurrect (and satan will be loosed as a consequence). Those who refuse to accept the truth will gather together with a plan to decimate the kingdom (Gog/Magog). And as soon as they are all gathered, The Almighty will annihilate them with fire from heaven.
It may even be the case that The Almighty IS the fire from heaven (He is a consuming fire; burning bush). And as He descends all remaining evil is eradicated as an effect.
8. With all evil wiped from existence, death & the grave are then destroyed. The Messiah hands over the keys back to The Father and we dwell with Him forever.
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The ritual of The Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16) prophesies the two works of the Messiah. The first work/goat is killed and its blood is used to cleanse the tabernacle (Hebrews 10). The second work/goat is taken, the High Priest confesses all sins to it and then it is led away into the wilderness.
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I'm sure you would feel differently if you had family members who are Jewish. Hearing some of the stories from the war years would cause your heart to bleed. Do you have no sympathy? Have any other people been treated the way they have? Only the Gods have chosen people. So, who exactly do you think the Jews are? The philistines?
The kingdom is in you...Luke 17:21.
Those who are saved, assent to the Lordship of Christ. He is already ruling and reigning. And His kingdom is like that of the mustard seed. It started small, but is continuing to grow. One day, it will be the largest kingdom, and all the birds of the air will lodge there.
Those who are saved, assent to the Lordship of Christ. He is already ruling and reigning. And His kingdom is like that of the mustard seed. It started small, but is continuing to grow. One day, it will be the largest kingdom, and all the birds of the air will lodge there.
But indeed it will be a physical kingdom ruled by the King.
Zechariah 14:16-19
Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
Currently, the Messiah is on His Father's throne, not His own throne.
Rev 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me on my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
He is currently seated at the right hand of His Father's throne. "Am" is a present tense verb marking a difference between the present situation and the future situation ("will...sit with me on my throne").
The right hand is a place of high honor. The one sitting on the throne rules. Go back to your originally referenced passage. "Sit at my right hand until I have made thy enemies thy footstool". The one taking action is The Father while The Son rests in an exalted position of honor for what He has done.
We read a prophecy from Luke 1:32
He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David,
The throne of David is on earth.
Before the cross, we read satan tempting Messiah...
Matthew 4:8-9
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Fast-forward to after the resurrection of the witnesses, we read heaven shouting...
Revelation 11:15
Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: “The kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”
So, between satan's temptation and the resurrection, satan has dominion on earth. The plan is for the kingdom of heaven to come to earth and for the Messiah to rule the world. Again, if it was just going to happen eventually then there would be no reason for Messiah to return.
When I say it sounds good but isn't scriptural, that's not a personal attack. I'm not accusing you of deception. I'm pointing out that we have been taught a doctrine that sounds good because it's partially true, but that isn't completely scriptural and leaves just enough room for satan to maintain dominion over the world.
By saying Christ is reigning now in the hearts of believers irrespective of denomination - again, true but needing qualification - leaves one to wonder why His kingdom (the Christian community) is getting worse as we approach the Day of the Lord, not better. Disjointed, steeped in scandals, perversion, worldliness, and faithlessness. Isn't the tree supposed to be growing not withering and rotting?
Zechariah 14:16-19
Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
Currently, the Messiah is on His Father's throne, not His own throne.
Rev 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me on my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
He is currently seated at the right hand of His Father's throne. "Am" is a present tense verb marking a difference between the present situation and the future situation ("will...sit with me on my throne").
The right hand is a place of high honor. The one sitting on the throne rules. Go back to your originally referenced passage. "Sit at my right hand until I have made thy enemies thy footstool". The one taking action is The Father while The Son rests in an exalted position of honor for what He has done.
We read a prophecy from Luke 1:32
He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David,
The throne of David is on earth.
Before the cross, we read satan tempting Messiah...
Matthew 4:8-9
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Fast-forward to after the resurrection of the witnesses, we read heaven shouting...
Revelation 11:15
Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: “The kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”
So, between satan's temptation and the resurrection, satan has dominion on earth. The plan is for the kingdom of heaven to come to earth and for the Messiah to rule the world. Again, if it was just going to happen eventually then there would be no reason for Messiah to return.
When I say it sounds good but isn't scriptural, that's not a personal attack. I'm not accusing you of deception. I'm pointing out that we have been taught a doctrine that sounds good because it's partially true, but that isn't completely scriptural and leaves just enough room for satan to maintain dominion over the world.
By saying Christ is reigning now in the hearts of believers irrespective of denomination - again, true but needing qualification - leaves one to wonder why His kingdom (the Christian community) is getting worse as we approach the Day of the Lord, not better. Disjointed, steeped in scandals, perversion, worldliness, and faithlessness. Isn't the tree supposed to be growing not withering and rotting?
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Jesus is ruling now. He is building His church and the powers of hell are defenseless to stop Him. He holds the keys to death and hell, not Satan.
Like the disciples and many today, you are looking forward to a physical earthly kingdom. That's not going to come. The old covenant is gone. There is no provision in the new covenant wherein God deals with any nation.
And the church is growing. In Asia and the Middle East, the growth of the church is growing by leaps and bounds.
Like the disciples and many today, you are looking forward to a physical earthly kingdom. That's not going to come. The old covenant is gone. There is no provision in the new covenant wherein God deals with any nation.
And the church is growing. In Asia and the Middle East, the growth of the church is growing by leaps and bounds.
Getting back to the topic of the hatred of Jews, Iran launched 180 ballistic missiles at Israel, but most of them did little damage. However, Netanyahu has vowed to destroy Iran's oil refineries and nuclear capabilities. This was long overdue, but now Israel has a valid reason to do something. Does Israel have the right to defend itself? Absolutely. Every country does.
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