Trump defends the cops who shoved that 75 year old man down to the pavement

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Magenta

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Saying he fell harder than he was pushed is ridiculous.

Robert McCabe and Aaron Torgalski, the two officers involved in the confrontation,
have both been charged with second-degree assault and released without bail.
 
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Susanna

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And Trump is shoving himself out of the White House😁.
 

Magenta

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A New York City police officer who was seen in a video pushing a woman to the ground at a George Floyd protest in Brooklyn on May 29 is facing multiple charges, the Brooklyn District Attorney's Office said.

Vincent D'Andraia has been charged with assault, criminal mischief, harassment and menacing in the incident the city's police commissioner Dermot Shea has described as "troubling" and "disturbing."

Police Benevolent Association President Pat Lynch in a statement Tuesday took aim at Mayor Bill de Blasio and department leadership.
"Once again, Mayor de Blasio and the NYPD brass are sacrificing cops to save their own skin," Lynch said. "They created the failed strategy for managing these demonstrations."

Lynch added: "They sent police officers out to do the job with no support and no clear plan. They should be the ones facing this mob-rule justice. We will say it again: New York City police officers have been abandoned by our leadership. We are utterly alone in our efforts to protect our city."

"While the investigations have to play out, based on the severity of what we saw, it is appropriate and necessary to assure the public that there will be transparency during the disciplinary process," Shea said in his statement Friday.

The woman who was filmed while shoved, Dounya Zayer, has said she was standing in the street protesting peacefully on the night of May 29 when, without provocation, an officer walked up to her and told her to get out of the street. She said she asked why and that the officer then shoved her and called her a "stupid f------ b----."
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Runningman

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Not saying it's right, but at least it helps to understand how this escalated.

Police operate on a protocol known as totality of circumstances. They were already there in a large group, wearing riot gear, because they were expecting civil unrest.

If someone walks up in their personal space, start saving their hands around their weapons, they're liable to have force used on them.

I don't like that he got hurt, but he made a poor judgement call. It would have been better to approach them at a safe distance and just say what he needed to say.
 

Lanolin

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I think it has got so bad that people are now willing to risk their lives in front of police force just to show the injustices of the system.
when people have nothing, literally nothing to lose, they will do this.
it is called martyrdom, and something christians ought to be familiar with.

Jesus did it. He faced crucifixtion. Peter was a bit more rash, he cut off a soldiers ear but jesus healed him.

sometimes we will face certain death when we stand up for what is right. God knows everything and judges everyhing, so we dont need to worry if we are killed.
 

Magenta

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I watched the video. There was no mention of Trump whatsoever defending the cops involved in this incident.
It was in the write-up that followed the video. . .
 

tourist

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It was in the write-up that followed the video. . .
In that case Trump would be in the wrong for defending the action taken by the officers involved. Also, there seems to be some question as to whether or not the old man staged the whole thing. Looking at the video it doesn't appear that he was violently shoved at all but rather sort of being brushed aside.
 

Godsgirl83

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My thoughts on all this protesting/rioting stuff:

I wonder, if those who are TRULY PEACEFUL protesters were to go gather someplace AWAY from the rowdy, rioting crowds would that help their cause and safety?
I think back to my school days, if you were out with a group of kids who caused trouble and they did something bad but you just stood there watching, you were still in trouble for being there with them. "guilt by association"

I just can't help but wonder if people realize that by being in the midst of a troublesome crowd they are asking for trouble themselves........
 

Magenta

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In that case Trump would be in the wrong for defending the action taken by the officers involved. Also, there seems to be some question as to whether or not the old man staged the whole thing. Looking at the video it doesn't appear that he was violently shoved at all but rather sort of being brushed aside.
He was pushed backwards, lost his balance, and fell. You can hear his skull crack when it hits the sidewalk :censored::cry::sick:
 

Desdichado

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One thing I despise about our era is our over-reliance on video to tell the whole story and total impatience. The sad part is that people don't really want justice. If they did, they would wait for the facts to emerge after a fair trial.

No. We want revolutionary tribunals at the court of twitter.
 

Godsgirl83

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One thing I despise about our era is our over-reliance on video to tell the whole story and total impatience. The sad part is that people don't really want justice. If they did, they would wait for the facts to emerge after a fair trial.

No. We want revolutionary tribunals at the court of twitter.
instant gratification......
 

Magenta

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One thing I despise about our era is our over-reliance on video to tell the whole story and total impatience. The sad part is that people don't really want justice. If they did, they would wait for the facts to emerge after a fair trial.

No. We want revolutionary tribunals at the court of twitter.
I wonder what story the cops would have spun about George Floyd's death had there not been video to show what really happened.

I am not a fan of all the surveillance and yet those who abuse their power need to be held accountable. Video footage helps.
 

Nehemiah6

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And Trump is shoving himself out of the White House😁.
Much as one hates to admit this, I would have to agree with this assessment. Mr. Trump is getting involved with matters which do not concern him directly, and avoiding matters which do concern him and should have been addressed by him as President and Commander-in-Chief. Which means that given the Democrats plan to STEAL THE ELECTIONS he may not be re-elected.

As a matter of fact had he appointed black Dr. Ben Carson to deal with the pandemic issues (and stayed out of that mess altogether, and definitely kept Fauci and Birx out of it), and had he appointment black Sheriff David Clarke to be the Attorney General and handle everything connect with the riots, his approval ratings would have shot through the roof. Those two men are not just black Americans. They are respected professionals who would have handled everything without emotionalism.

Which meant (1) no tweets whatsoever, (2) no press briefings whatsoever, (3) no TV interviews whatsoever, and (4) no off-the-cuff remarks in the White House. Anything which needed presidential authority should have come directly from the Oval Office and addressed to all of America and the world.
 

Desdichado

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This is why I chose the term "over-reliance."

I think video was helpful in that circumstance, but given the falling action, I think there should be a law that puts videos of this kind in an evidence locker until a public trial where the video is considered alongside relevant facts.

I wonder what story the cops would have spun about George Floyd's death had there not been video to show what really happened.
 

Magenta

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This is why I chose the term "over-reliance."

I think video was helpful in that circumstance, but given the falling action, I think there should be a law that puts videos of this kind in an evidence locker until a public trial where the video is considered alongside relevant facts.
It is not a new problem, with media coverage tainting and/or slanting any story in certain directions, which may make it impossible for some to get a fair trial. Your complaint seems to be more with the barrage of opinions that we become exposed to after certain footage is made available before all the facts are in. Still, I cannot help but wonder what would happen to such evidence were it not shown before the police get their hands on it, given the track record they have of mishandling and/or deliberately "losing" (burying/making disappear) evidence.
 

Desdichado

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It is not a new problem, with media coverage tainting and/or slanting any story in certain directions, which may make it impossible for some to get a fair trial.


Correct. I'm skeptical of mass media as well. The more media, the greater the problem as you recognize in your next point.

Your complaint seems to be more with the barrage of opinions that we become exposed to after certain footage is made available before all the facts are in..
It's more than a complaint. I'm disgusted by the high-tech mob.

Still, I cannot help but wonder what would happen to such evidence were it not shown before the police get their hands on it, given the track record they have of mishandling and/or deliberately "losing" (burying/making disappear) evidence.
There are procedures in place for when a piece of evidence could present a conflict of interest to a police officer or a department. Or at least people used to observe these procedures.

I guess I'll be contrarian here, but I almost think a local police cover-up is preferable to triggering mobs from London to Seattle. Floyd's death is a tragedy, but it doesn't hold a candle to the lives and livelihood lost in its wake.

Thankfully, there can be a system where the truth comes out and justice served without needlessly triggering violent episodes. Wiser generations crafted these things for us, but we think we're soooo smart with our flashy screens and instant coffee.
 

NotmebutHim

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I'd much rather deal with a brash businessman than a "smooth" politician.

When Trump first announced his candidacy, he made no bones about the kind of man he was/is. Trump is like "this is who I am; take it or leave it". He didn't arrive in Washington in a Trojan horse; he arrived in a bulldozer.

And the "powers that be" don't like it. Trump has upset the apple cart and for that he must pay, according to them.

$0.02.

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