Trump to begin border wall construction within months

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Right there in the trenches with you, my brother!

Time to smile and wave the banners of patriotism, liberty and freedom.
 
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Roughsoul1991

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Many walls have been built over the centuries,

Hadriens wall built in the UK by the Romans to keep the barbarians out.
History of Hadrian’s Wall | English Heritage



Great Wall of China
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Berlin wall
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Walls don't last, they become tourist attractions and scenic walks. The crumbling remnants
just remind people in the future how stupid we all once were.
How come is building a wall biblical? Nehemiah took 52 days to build a wall to protect God's temple and future city.
 

Fenner

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After this election I wish someone would be a nice sound proof happy wall.
 

hornetguy

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Many walls have been built over the centuries,

Hadriens wall built in the UK by the Romans to keep the barbarians out.
History of Hadrian’s Wall | English Heritage



Great Wall of China
Great Wall Facts: Top 20 Amazing Things You Should Know



Berlin wall
Berlin Wall - Cold War - HISTORY.com


Walls don't last, they become tourist attractions and scenic walks. The crumbling remnants
just remind people in the future how stupid we all once were.
While I understand your sentiment, I disagree that building a wall is a sign of our "stupidity"....

If your country was being overrun with illegal visitors, who were siphoning off assistance and education/health care funding that was supposed to be for the actual citizens of your country, wouldn't it make sense to you to have a wall to stop that "invasion" ? Especially if a large percentage of your skyrocketing crime rate was directly a result of some of those illegal visitors?

I mean, I'm as welcoming as the next guy to people that want to follow our laws and procedures to become citizens... NOT permanent visitors... those that want to become AMERICANS, and learn/adopt/enjoy the American culture, not just come here, suck up all the gravy and send it back to "their country"....

I think that if building a wall will help stop that madness from happening, we would have to be stupid to NOT build it.

If those "visitors" stayed home, and changed their own country from within, THEN we could take down the wall and enjoy neighbor status...as it should be.
 
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Miri

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Many walls have been built over the centuries,

Hadriens wall built in the UK by the Romans to keep the barbarians out.
History of Hadrian’s Wall | English Heritage



Great Wall of China
Great Wall Facts: Top 20 Amazing Things You Should Know



Berlin wall
Berlin Wall - Cold War - HISTORY.com


Walls don't last, they become tourist attractions and scenic walks. The crumbling remnants
just remind people in the future how stupid we all once were.
How come is building a wall biblical? Nehemiah took 52 days to build a wall to protect God's temple and future city.
While I understand your sentiment, I disagree that building a wall is a sign of our "stupidity"....

If your country was being overrun with illegal visitors, who were siphoning off assistance and education/health care funding that was supposed to be for the actual citizens of your country, wouldn't it make sense to you to have a wall to stop that "invasion" ? Especially if a large percentage of your skyrocketing crime rate was directly a result of some of those illegal visitors?

I mean, I'm as welcoming as the next guy to people that want to follow our laws and procedures to become citizens... NOT permanent visitors... those that want to become AMERICANS, and learn/adopt/enjoy the American culture, not just come here, suck up all the gravy and send it back to "their country"....

I think that if building a wall will help stop that madness from happening, we would have to be stupid to NOT build it.

If those "visitors" stayed home, and changed their own country from within, THEN we could take down the wall and enjoy neighbor status...as it should be.

The problem is walls can be scaled, destroyed, pulled down, dug under etc. Unless there are plans to
man every metre of the wall 24/7 then it won't make much difference. It will also take a good
amount of time to build. It's just a PR exercise.

Ps our wall the English Channel gets scaled in numerous ways.
 
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The problem is walls can be scaled, destroyed, pulled down, dug under etc. Unless there are plans to
man every metre of the wall 24/7 then it won't make much difference. It will also take a good
amount of time to build. It's just a PR exercise.

Ps our wall the English Channel gets scaled in numerous ways.
you may as well not put locks on your doors. They can picked or kicked in or someone can go in thru a window. It's pointless for you to lock your door because it can be defeated.
 
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I am sick of hearing about how it will be paid for....all of the monies saved from all of the free stuff, free health care, and monthly checks that the illegals get will more than pay for it.....
 
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I remember those old western movies where the cowboy had to flee the country and be crossing The Rio Grande.
 

Dude653

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Unless I'm mistaken Mexico has already refused to pay for the wall..
 
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Unless I'm mistaken Mexico has already refused to pay for the wall..
Maybe Donald can make the Beagle Boys take a trip across the border and collect some wall funding?
 

Roughsoul1991

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A wall becomes an obstacle instead of no wall and nothing but border patrol to stop illegals. It's also a new day and age where technology can do amazing things like motion detection, motion sensor lights, drones, cameras, electrified wires with razor wire. All very inexpensive ways to handle a big wall with limited employees. They may try to dig but that takes time and very dangerous.
 
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A wall becomes an obstacle instead of no wall and nothing but border patrol to stop illegals. It's also a new day and age where technology can do amazing things like motion detection, motion sensor lights, drones, cameras, electrified wires with razor wire. All very inexpensive ways to handle a big wall with limited employees. They may try to dig but that takes time and very dangerous.
It's a bunch of tunnels already. These people knows how to dig.
 

RickyZ

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It's interesting that when they find a drug tunnel, Mexico doesn't fill in their end of it
 

Angela53510

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Israel has also built a huge wall in the desert, I remember reading and seeing the pictures. It is a no man's land on either side. The watch towers can see literally for miles if anyone approaches. It is patrolled constantly. And it is expensive. But growing.

I think a wall built for security, against people who are trying to invade to kill or take over the country, is one thing. And Israel is a small country, surrounded by nations that hate her.

Mexico is not like this. I'm not saying people who cross the border illegally, shouldn't be sent back immediately, but I think Miri has a point. This wall will have to be manned forever, 24/7.


My husband and I were in Texas a few years back. We flew into San Antonio to visit our son and his wife. He was playing pro hockey there. (Yes, the team is owned by the Spurs!). For fun, we decided to go to the closest border crossing, to see Mexico. We went across at night. The Mexican side had no border guards. Our passports did not get stamped as crossing over.

At the border, we got pulled into the border crossing and sat there for hours, without explanation. And our passports got confiscated, which freaked us out. With Mexicans screaming in Spanish all over the place. I finally went to talk to one of the guards about why we were there, and she would not tell us. I talked about the loose security on the other side and she agreed it was bad, but would not speak more.

After over 2 hours, they took us aside, and told us that we were not allowed to reenter the US at a different border crossing than the one we entered. They had completely done all these searches on our background, and apparently we were ok. One page had a large stamp saying the name of the border town, and that we were approved to come back again.

Except waiting in the holding area, was a list of rules concerning enter the country. It included only having enough medication for the number of days you were going to be there. I always traveled with all my meds, because what would happen if for some reason you could not get back home? And that included some limited and expensive drugs. Since we had planned to check out of our motel, and go across the border with all our luggage, that would mean I was chancing getting all my medications confiscated which were worth thousands of dollars. I was glad they didn't stop us at US customs in Canada before we got on the plane.

Anyway, it seemed like a very tight border. But of course, people do cross the river and sneak in at the Mexican-US border. About 20 miles back into the US, we came to the most scary checkpoint I have ever been through. There were big military type guys with semi automatic weapons. And dogs! Big dogs!

We were renting a vehicle with Texas license plates. He asked if we were American citizens, and we said no! You could see him go on high alert. We gave him our passports, and he started looking the car over. He wanted to know where we were from, why we were driving a car from Texas, etc. I started babbling about coming to see our son, the pro hockey player, playing for the Rampage. Yes, we were Canadians, and we loved hockey. Did he want our son's phone number or maybe the team's?

All of a sudden, he broke into a smile. He let us go through, and we found no more resistance to getting through.

Now maybe we are just dumb Canadians, but Texas seems to have a LOT of security, without a wall! It taught us a lot of things, about being in a "foreign" country. I had never thought of the US as "foreign" since I lived over 2 years there and we traveled sometimes 2 times a week to the US to play hockey/buy things when we lived in Vancouver BC. But Texas showed us that they were serious about stopping illegal immigrants.

Still, one would have thought 2 people with Canadian passports would not have been guilty of trying to illegally immigrant to the US through Mexico, when it would be so much easier to slip in from Canada. To say nothing of the fact we would be leaving our wonderful free universal health care, which would not be replaceable in the US.