Trump wants to move us embassy to Jerusalem do you think it will cause issues???

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Do you think trumps move is good?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 57.1%
  • no

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • maybe explain

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • Kudos to trump for recognizing Jerusalem

    Votes: 20 57.1%

  • Total voters
    35

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President Donald Trump will recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital on Wednesday despite intense Arab, Muslim and European opposition to a move that would upend decades of U.S. policy and risk potentially violent protests.Why Trump's promise to move US Embassy to Jerusalem is so controversial | Fox News


[h=1]Embassy to Jerusalem is so controversial[/h]By Kaitlyn SchallhornPublished December 05, 2017Fox News




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President Trump is expected to announce Wednesday that he will instruct the State Department to begin the process of moving the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, according to U.S. officials, fulfilling one of his campaign promises.
Under the new plan, the U.S. also would officially recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. But the president is expected to acknowledge that the specific boundaries of Israeli sovereignty in the city are subject to final status negotiation.
Like presidents before him, Trump expressed his support for Israel during his presidential campaign and said the embassy should be moved to “the eternal capital for the Jewish people, Jerusalem.”
However, several Muslim groups and nations have expressed concern over the possible recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned that moving the capital is a “red line” for Muslims and such an action would result in Turkey severing its diplomatic ties with Israel.
The move is expected to take a minimum of three or four years before a new embassy can be established, U.S. officials said.
Already under construction is a new U.S. "consulate anex" in Jerusalem, which is believed to be more secure than the current embassy in Tel Aviv. Although senior administration officials said there was no facility currently ready for personnel to move into.
But in the meantime, Trump will reportedly sign, and will continue to sign, the 6-month waiver to the Jerusalem Embassy Act. That act essentially allows presidents to sign continuous waivers to stall the relocation of the embassy and will prevent significant cuts to State Department funding.
Read on to find out why the decision is so contentious — and why it hasn’t been accomplished yet.
Finding the capital
The international community, including the U.S., largely does not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel as it is claimed by both Palestinians and Israelis. Like other countries, the U.S. keeps its embassy in Tel Aviv, approximately an hour away.
Should the U.S. move the embassy, it could cause “significant harm to the U.S. credibility as a mediator” for peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians, said Dylan Williams, vice president of government affairs for J Street, a left-leaning pro-Israel advocacy organization.
Williams added that the move could “undermine confidence” from Palestinians and Arab countries that the U.S. would remain an impartial negotiator in efforts to create peace in the Middle East.
“It shouldn’t be moved prior to agreement by the parties to the conflict as part of a comprehensive agreement ending their conflict,” Williams, J Street’s chief lobbyist, told Fox News.
Williams added that such a move could also turn deadly.
“Even seemingly minor changes of Jerusalem’s status quo — either in fact or in law — have historically had the impact of sparking violence,” Williams said.
Support for Jerusalem
There are millions of evangelical eyes on Trump, waiting to see if he will keep his campaign promise to move the embassy, longtime Pastor John Hagee told Fox News.
"I can assure you that 60 million evangelicals are watching this promise closely because if President Trump moves the embassy into Jerusalem, he will historically step into immortality," Hagee said. "He will be remembered for thousands of years for his act of courage to treat Israel like we already treat other nations."
"If he does not, he will be remembered as just another president who made a promise he failed to keep which would generate massive disappointment in that strong evangelical base that went to vote for him against Hillary Clinton," he added.
Hagee is the founder and senior pastor of Cornerstone Church, a megachurch in San Antonio, Texas. He founded the nonprofit Christians United for Israel in 2006 as well.
Morton Klein, president of the nonprofit Zionist Organization of America, is also hopeful that Trump will move the embassy soon and dismissed the idea that its relocation could negatively influence peace talks.
“It should be moved because we have to once and for all end this propaganda myth that Jerusalem is holy for Muslims,” Klein told Fox News.
Klein said he has advised the Trump administration when it comes to Israeli affairs.
United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley also expressed her support for a Jerusalem capital during an interview with CBN in May, pointing to other government operations that operate in the city.
“Obviously, I believe that the capital should be Jerusalem and the embassy should be moved to Jerusalem because ... all their government is in Jerusalem,” Haley said. “So much of what goes on is in Jerusalem, and I think we have to see that for what it is.”
A March 2016 Gallup poll found that the majority of Americans didn’t express an opinion when asked if the U.S. embassy should move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. But of those who did have an opinion, Americans were split with 24 percent supporting a move and 20 percent disagreeing with relocation.
Congressional authority
Trump isn’t the only president to declare his intentions to move the U.S. embassy; both former Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush also pledged to move the embassy — only to abandon the idea once in the White House.
Congress approved in 1995 the funding and relocation of the embassy to Jerusalem by 1999. But the law included a stipulation, allowing for presidents to sign continuous waivers to stall the relocation of the embassy. Every president since has used the waiver in an effort to avoid conflict with the peace negotiations.
Klein remains “fully confident” that Trump will break that nearly 20-year tradition and keep his promise to move the embassy — and it shouldn't be too much longer until that promise is fulfilled, Klein said.
But Williams dismissed the campaign promise as just “pandering to a right-wing minority of the pro-Israel and Jewish communities that so far has yet to be acted upon because elected officials recognize the danger to Israel of following through on it.”

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Magenta

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President Trump is expected to announce Wednesday that he will instruct the State Department to begin the process of moving the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, according to U.S. officials, fulfilling one of his campaign promises.

Under the new plan, the U.S. also would officially recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. But the president is expected to acknowledge that the specific boundaries of Israeli sovereignty in the city are subject to final status negotiation.


Like presidents before him, Trump expressed his support for Israel during his presidential campaign and said the embassy should be moved to “the eternal capital for the Jewish people, Jerusalem.”


However, several Muslim groups and nations have expressed concern over the possible recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
warned that moving the capital is a “red line” for Muslims and such an action would result in Turkey severing its diplomatic ties with Israel.


The move is expected to take a minimum of three or four years before a new embassy can be established, U.S. officials said.

Already under construction is a new U.S. "consulate anex" in Jerusalem, which is believed to be more secure than the current embassy in Tel Aviv. Although senior administration officials said there was no facility currently ready for personnel to move into.

But in the meantime, Trump will reportedly sign, and will continue to sign, the 6-month waiver to the Jerusalem Embassy Act. That act essentially allows presidents to sign continuous waivers to stall the relocation of the embassy and will prevent significant cuts to State Department funding.


Read on to find out why the decision is so contentious — and why it hasn’t been accomplished yet.


Finding the capital


The international community, including the U.S., largely does not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel as it is claimed by both Palestinians and Israelis. Like other countries, the U.S. keeps its embassy in Tel Aviv, approximately an hour away.

Should the U.S. move the embassy, it could cause “significant harm to the U.S. credibility as a mediator” for peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians, said Dylan Williams, vice president of government affairs for J Street, a left-leaning pro-Israel advocacy organization.

Williams added that the move could “undermine confidence” from Palestinians and Arab countries that the U.S. would remain an impartial negotiator in efforts to create peace in the Middle East.


“It shouldn’t be moved prior to agreement by the parties to the conflict as part of a comprehensive agreement ending their conflict,” Williams, J Street’s chief lobbyist, told Fox News.


Williams added that such a move could also turn deadly.


“Even seemingly minor changes of Jerusalem’s status quo — either in fact or in law — have historically had the impact of sparking violence,” Williams said.


Support for Jerusalem


There are millions of evangelical eyes on Trump, waiting to see if he will keep his campaign promise to move the embassy, longtime Pastor John Hagee told Fox News.


"I can assure you that 60 million evangelicals are watching this promise closely because if President Trump moves the embassy into Jerusalem, he will historically step into immortality," Hagee said. "He will be remembered for thousands of years for his act of courage to treat Israel like we already treat other nations."


"If he does not, he will be remembered as just another president who made a promise he failed to keep which would generate massive disappointment in that strong evangelical base that went to vote for him against Hillary Clinton," he added.

Hagee is the founder and senior pastor of Cornerstone Church, a megachurch in San Antonio, Texas. He founded the nonprofit Christians United for Israel in 2006 as well.

Morton Klein, president of the nonprofit Zionist Organization of America, is also hopeful that Trump will move the embassy soon and dismissed the idea that its relocation could negatively influence peace talks.


“It should be moved because we have to once and for all end this propaganda myth that Jerusalem is holy for Muslims,” Klein told Fox News.


Klein said he has advised the Trump administration when it comes to Israeli affairs.

United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley also expressed her support for a Jerusalem capital during an interview with CBN in May, pointing to other government operations that operate in the city.

“Obviously, I believe that the capital should be Jerusalem and the embassy should be moved to Jerusalem because ... all their government is in Jerusalem,” Haley said. “So much of what goes on is in Jerusalem, and I think we have to see that for what it is.”


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March 2016 Gallup poll found that the majority of Americans didn’t express an opinion when asked if the U.S. embassy should move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. But of those who did have an opinion, Americans were split with 24 percent supporting a move and 20 percent disagreeing with relocation.


Congressional authority


Trump isn’t the only president to declare his intentions to move the U.S. embassy; both former Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush also pledged to move the embassy — only to abandon the idea once in the White House.

Congress approved in 1995 the funding and relocation of the embassy to Jerusalem by 1999. But the law included a stipulation, allowing for presidents to sign continuous waivers to stall the relocation of the embassy. Every president since has used the waiver in an effort to avoid conflict with the peace negotiations.

Klein remains “fully confident” that Trump will break that nearly 20-year tradition and keep his promise to move the embassy — and it shouldn't be too much longer until that promise is fulfilled, Klein said.


But Williams dismissed the campaign promise as just “pandering to a right-wing minority of the pro-Israel and Jewish communities that so far has yet to be acted upon because elected officials recognize the danger to Israel of following through on it.”

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President Trump is expected to announce Wednesday that he will instruct the State Department to begin the process of moving the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, according to U.S. officials, fulfilling one of his campaign promises.

Under the new plan, the U.S. also would officially recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. But the president is expected to acknowledge that the specific boundaries of Israeli sovereignty in the city are subject to final status negotiation.

Like presidents before him, Trump expressed his support for Israel during his presidential campaign and said the embassy should be moved to “the eternal capital for the Jewish people, Jerusalem.”

However, several Muslim groups and nations have expressed concern over the possible recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned that moving the capital is a “red line” for Muslims and such an action would result in Turkey severing its diplomatic ties with Israel.

The move is expected to take a minimum of three or four years before a new embassy can be established, U.S. officials said.

Already under construction is a new U.S. "consulate anex" in Jerusalem, which is believed to be more secure than the current embassy in Tel Aviv. Although senior administration officials said there was no facility currently ready for personnel to move into.

But in the meantime, Trump will reportedly sign, and will continue to sign, the 6-month waiver to the Jerusalem Embassy Act. That act essentially allows presidents to sign continuous waivers to stall the relocation of the embassy and will prevent significant cuts to State Department funding.

Read on to find out why the decision is so contentious — and why it hasn’t been accomplished yet.

Finding the capital

The international community, including the U.S., largely does not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel as it is claimed by both Palestinians and Israelis. Like other countries, the U.S. keeps its embassy in Tel Aviv, approximately an hour away.

Should the U.S. move the embassy, it could cause “significant harm to the U.S. credibility as a mediator” for peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians, said Dylan Williams, vice president of government affairs for J Street, a left-leaning pro-Israel advocacy organization.

Williams added that the move could “undermine confidence” from Palestinians and Arab countries that the U.S. would remain an impartial negotiator in efforts to create peace in the Middle East.

“It shouldn’t be moved prior to agreement by the parties to the conflict as part of a comprehensive agreement ending their conflict,” Williams, J Street’s chief lobbyist, told Fox News.

Williams added that such a move could also turn deadly.

“Even seemingly minor changes of Jerusalem’s status quo — either in fact or in law — have historically had the impact of sparking violence,” Williams said.

Support for Jerusalem

There are millions of evangelical eyes on Trump, waiting to see if he will keep his campaign promise to move the embassy, longtime Pastor John Hagee told Fox News.

"I can assure you that 60 million evangelicals are watching this promise closely because if President Trump moves the embassy into Jerusalem, he will historically step into immortality," Hagee said. "He will be remembered for thousands of years for his act of courage to treat Israel like we already treat other nations."

"If he does not, he will be remembered as just another president who made a promise he failed to keep which would generate massive disappointment in that strong evangelical base that went to vote for him against Hillary Clinton," he added.

Hagee is the founder and senior pastor of Cornerstone Church, a megachurch in San Antonio, Texas. He founded the nonprofit Christians United for Israel in 2006 as well.

Morton Klein, president of the nonprofit Zionist Organization of America, is also hopeful that Trump will move the embassy soon and dismissed the idea that its relocation could negatively influence peace talks.

“It should be moved because we have to once and for all end this propaganda myth that Jerusalem is holy for Muslims,” Klein told Fox News.

Klein said he has advised the Trump administration when it comes to Israeli affairs.
United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley also expressed her support for a Jerusalem capital during an interview with CBN in May, pointing to other government operations that operate in the city.

“Obviously, I believe that the capital should be Jerusalem and the embassy should be moved to Jerusalem because ... all their government is in Jerusalem,” Haley said. “So much of what goes on is in Jerusalem, and I think we have to see that for what it is.”

A March 2016 Gallup poll found that the majority of Americans didn’t express an opinion when asked if the U.S. embassy should move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. But of those who did have an opinion, Americans were split with 24 percent supporting a move and 20 percent disagreeing with relocation.

Congressional authority

Trump isn’t the only president to declare his intentions to move the U.S. embassy; both former Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush also pledged to move the embassy — only to abandon the idea once in the White House.

Congress approved in 1995 the funding and relocation of the embassy to Jerusalem by 1999. But the law included a stipulation, allowing for presidents to sign continuous waivers to stall the relocation of the embassy. Every president since has used the waiver in an effort to avoid conflict with the peace negotiations.

Klein remains “fully confident” that Trump will break that nearly 20-year tradition and keep his promise to move the embassy — and it shouldn't be too much longer until that promise is fulfilled, Klein said.

But Williams dismissed the campaign promise as just “pandering to a right-wing minority of the pro-Israel and Jewish communities that so far has yet to be acted upon because elected officials recognize the danger to Israel of following through on it.”

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JesusLives

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For a minute I thought this was a long winded posting thread but I see it is just a copy and repeat thread....I think we got it x3....
 
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I figured it was important enough that some people might not want to strain their eyes to see it.
 

jenniferand2

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For a minute I thought this was a long winded posting thread but I see it is just a copy and repeat thread....I think we got it x3....
oh I am sorry I did not see it anywhere else .
 

JesusLives

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oh I am sorry I did not see it anywhere else .
Don't mind me I was just trying to be funny... This is the first time I have seen it in a CC thread....I was just being my Blond self and silly...

However, if Trump wants to move to Jerusalem I don't have a problem with that I'd help him pack.
 
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Don't mind me I was just trying to be funny... This is the first time I have seen it in a CC thread....I was just being my Blond self and silly...

However, if Trump wants to move to Jerusalem I don't have a problem with that I'd help him pack.
Well, my stocks went UP $2,000 from Friday's closing of last week to Monday's opening this week. That has never happened before in my entire lifetime. I think he is living right where we need him.
 

JesusLives

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Well, my stocks went UP $2,000 from Friday's closing of last week to Monday's opening this week. That has never happened before in my entire lifetime. I think he is living right where we need him.
Really not trying to stir the fire that is already there.... Now about that loan...lol
 
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Really not trying to stir the fire that is already there.... Now about that loan...lol
This is a VERY SERIOUS offer.

You have only missed two classes of the Financial Peace University course being taught at our church. (Hardly enough to even consider as "missed). Tomorrow night, we are meeting at Robert's Youth Center, just two blocks from our church. If you and Jerry show up tomorrow night (and promise to attend the rest of the classes regularly), I will pay the entire amount of your tuition. This won't cost you a dime, and we provide the food.
 

zeroturbulence

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It will indeed cause issues because the muslims, including the extremists, consider Jerusalem sacred ground since they have a strong reverence for the angel Gabriel and Mary. We all know that is where the angel Gabriel visited her. The koran is, according to muslims, a collection of messages given to Muhammed by the angel Gabriel.

I applaud Trump for having the guts to do this. I just hope it doesn't result in americans getting killed by terrorists because of it.
 
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zeroturbulence

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And I think he is right, that Jerusalem really is the rightful capital of Isreal. No one has had the political guts to admit it until now...

Oh and one other little tidbit... Jerusalem has been argued over for who knows how long because the palestinians believe it is their territory and not Isreal's. It will be an interesting site for a US embassy!
 
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Dude653

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Based on what I have been reading this is a bad idea because it will just make tensions worse between Palestine and Israel.
 

Stranger36147

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Well, I'm sure most of you have heard the news. Trump publicly recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital. I just hope nothing too bad comes because of it.
 
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Why would that even be the intention? America brings World Peace to all. It has successfully lowered terrorism with it's war on terror, it has stabilised the middle east, and has stopped gun sales to the Saudi's, and it hasn't killed one single civilian in drone strikes to take out those singular bad apples. I mean it's usually just one person who is responsible for everything, not a group of people? Great thinking.

To think that America has created more terrorism, or destabilised the middle east, or sold more guns profitably out of tension and fear, or killed any innocent people, is lunacy.

America is a peaceful, non-aggressive country. It is a country where you don't need the meds, because you are happy and proud of all the good that America does in the world, and everyone loves their neighbours, in a neighbourhood they feel so safe in they don't even need to carry guns! I mean if it didn't do any good in the world or did some nefarious things, half the population would probably be on meds to suppress the guilty conscience. Such things don't happen in the land of dreams. People are generally pure, they look after their health, sex crime is extremely low compared to say Africa, gun crime is the lowest in the world. What a wonderful country!

Based on what I have been reading this is a bad idea because it will just make tensions worse between Palestine and Israel.
 

zeroturbulence

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Based on what I have been reading this is a bad idea because it will just make tensions worse between Palestine and Israel.
What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
(Romans 8:31 NIV)

"No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn."
(Isaiah 54:17 NASB)
 

Dude653

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What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
(Romans 8:31 NIV)

"No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn."
(Isaiah 54:17 NASB)
Ok.
But that still doesn't help relations between Palestine and Israel.