U.S. WEIGHS OPTIONS FOR MILATARY RESPONSE IN SYRIA

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Would like to think even this administration, who claims to hate war, would make an informed decision before acting rashly, but don't hold your breath on that.
 
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since where is there a "too late" to ameliorate?
 

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For a guy that likes to ''lead from behind'', I expect he will wait for some other country to jump in first.
But I agree, stay out of this one.
 
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and yet this prediction didn't come true...

what exactly would it mean to 'take out' somalia anyway? somalia was a failed state...there was nothing to 'take out'...

it sounds like the fears of an ignorant person to me...and like i said...it didn't happen as predicted...why repeat something that history has proven to be wrong?
 
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Name me one country the USA has ''taken out''?

I can name quite a few we beat in a war and then helped rebuild them.

Evil USA....just pure evil.

amazing
 

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US officials believe Syria used chemical weapons, weigh military response - U.S. News ,,,,Isaiah chapter 17 "the destruction of Damascus",,,? should we look very close at this or should we see it as leading up to it years from now?,,,if we use limited strikes,will Syria up the response and use them again on a larger scale?,,,,
I see these events as a no win on any side ,If America pounds syria with missles russia will react perhaps? If the militia used chemical weapons ,and have trully gain access to the stock pile that suppose to be protected. How many more people lifes are at risk here, There surrounding neighbor countrys around them comes to mind this is a serious issue...
 

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and yet this prediction didn't come true...

what exactly would it mean to 'take out' somalia anyway? somalia was a failed state...there was nothing to 'take out'...

it sounds like the fears of an ignorant person to me...and like i said...it didn't happen as predicted...why repeat something that history has proven to be wrong?
If you read the transcript this is not a prediction it is an intention. I think they had so much trouble with Iraq that they had to rethink the timing. We are starting to see the other countries in that list going down.

I saw a post that explains all the criminal acts the US leaders do is to protect the petro dollar. That seemed to be one viable explanation. Many of the countries that were taken out or to be taken out wanted payment for their oil in other currency other than the dollar. This could result in the collapse of the dollar.

Libya wanted to be paid in a new African gold dinar for its oil.
Iran wants to be paid in Gold for its oil (Syria is an Ally of Iran)
Iraq wanted to be paid in Euro for its oil.

This would have a huge impact. The US could no longer just print money to get itself out of trouble.
It is a theory. The intention that the US are looking to take out 7 countries is not a theory. It has been reported.

You need to keep an open mind on these things. Not shut things out because you don't like it. :)
 

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For a guy that likes to ''lead from behind'', I expect he will wait for some other country to jump in first.
But I agree, stay out of this one.
Still 'leading' still 'behind'.
 

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Putin to Cameron: No evidence Syria chemical weapons attack took place

Published time: August 26, 2013 18:30
Edited time: August 26, 2013 19:27

Russia has no evidence of whether a chemical weapons attack has taken place in Syria or who is responsible, Russian President Vladimir Putin told British Prime Minister David Cameron in a telephone call, according to Cameron’s official website.

The two leaders had an urgent phone call on Monday afternoon regarding the Syrian crisis in the wake of a sniper attack on UN chemical inspectors outside Damascus.

Following the call the British government spokesperson said: “President Putin said that they did not have evidence of whether a chemical weapons attack had taken place or who was responsible.”

Putin to Cameron: No evidence Syria chemical weapons attack took place — RT News
 

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“US Backed Plan to Launch Chemical Weapon Attack on Syria and Blame it on Assad Government”
Center for Research on Globalization ‎- 1 day ago
... apologised and paid £110,000 in libel damages to a London defence firm it wrongly linked with an alleged chemical weapons plot in Syria.

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“doctors” behind syrian chemical weapons claims ... - Global Research
www.globalresearch.ca/doctors...syrian-chemical-weapons...are.../5346870
2 days ago - The “evidence” upon which the West is propping up its narrative of the Syrian government using chemical weapons against large numbers of ...

False Flag Chemical Weapons Attack on Syria ... - Global Research
www.globalresearch.ca/false-flag-chemical-weapons-attack...syria/5346813
False Flag Chemical Weapons Attack on Syria. Pretext for All Out War? By Stephen Lendman. Global Research, August 24, 2013. Region: Middle East & North ...

Evidence Indicates that Syrian Government Did ... - Global Research
www.globalresearch.ca/...syrian...a-chemical-weapon-attack.../5346804
3 days ago - Evidence Indicates that Syrian Government Did Not Launch a Chemical Weapon Attack Against Its People. By Washington's Blog.

The Syria 'Chemical Weapons' Media Hype ... - Global Research
www.globalresearch.ca/the-syria-chemical-weapons-media.../5346834
3 days ago - In-depth Report: SYRIA: NATO'S NEXT WAR? middleeast. Yesterday's report of an alleged 'chemical weapon' attack near Damascus has ...

Pentagon Preparing for War on Syria | Global Research
www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-preparing-for-war-on-syria/5346926
1 day ago - “Leaked emails have allegedly proved that the White House gave the green light to a chemical weapons attack in Syria that could be blamed ...

Syria Chemical Warfare Claims Aim to Provoke ... - Global Research
www.globalresearch.ca/syria-chemical-warfare-claims-aim-to.../5346681
5 days ago - Reports of the attack were made by Western-backed opponents of the ... The last international outcry over Syrian chemical weapons came last ...

Leaked Documents: U.S. Framed Syria in Chemical Weapons Attack ...
beforeitsnews.com/international/.../leaked-documents-u-s-framed-syria-i...‎
20 hours ago - On August 21st, 2013 chemical weapons were used the Syrian conflict yet ... The proxy war in Syria: http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas…

US Backed Plan to Launch Chemical Weapon Attack on Syria and ...
2012indyinfo.com/.../us-backed-plan-to-launch-chemical-weapon-attack...‎
1 day ago - “US Backed Plan to Launch Chemical Weapon Attack on Syria and Blame it on Assad Government” | Global Research. Posted on August 26, ...


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Experts Doubt Syrian Chemical Weapons Claims

Posted on August 24, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog

Preliminary Evidence Indicates that the Syrian Government Did NOT Launch a Chemical Weapon Attack Against Its People

CBS News reports that the U.S. is finalizing plans for war against Syria – and positioning ships to launch cruise missiles against the Syrian government – based on the claim that the Syrian government used chemical weapons against its people.

The last time the U.S. blamed the Syrian government for a chemical weapons attack, that claim was was debunked.

But is the claim that the Syrian government used chemical weapons against its people true this time?

It’s not surprising that Syria’s close ally – Russia – is expressing doubt. Agence France-Presse (AFP) notes:

Russia, which has previously said it has proof of chemical weapons use by the rebels, expressed deep scepticism about the opposition’s claims.

The foreign ministry said the timing of the allegations as UN inspectors began their work “makes us think that we are once again dealing with a premeditated provocation.”

But Russia isn’t the only doubter.

AFP reports:

“At the moment, I am not totally convinced because the people that are helping them are without any protective clothing and without any respirators,” said Paula Vanninen, director of Verifin, the Finnish Institute for Verification of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

“In a real case, they would also be contaminated and would also be having symptoms.”

John Hart, head of the Chemical and Biological Security Project at Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said he had not seen the telltale evidence in the eyes of the victims that would be compelling evidence of chemical weapons use.

“Of the videos that I’ve seen for the last few hours, none of them show pinpoint pupils… this would indicate exposure to organophosphorus nerve agents,” he said.

Gwyn Winfield, editor of CBRNe World magazine, which specialises in chemical weapons issues, said the evidence did not suggest that the chemicals used were of the weapons-grade that the Syrian army possesses in its stockpiles.

“We’re not seeing reports that doctors and nurses… are becoming fatalities, so that would suggest that the toxicity of it isn’t what we would consider military sarin. It may well be that it is a lower-grade,” Winfield told AFP.

Haaretz reports:

Western experts on chemical warfare who have examined at least part of the footage are skeptical that weapons-grade chemical substances were used, although they all emphasize that serious conclusions cannot be reached without thorough on-site examination.

Dan Kaszeta, a former officer of the U.S. Army’s Chemical Corps and a leading private consultant, pointed out a number of details absent from the footage so far: “None of the people treating the casualties or photographing them are wearing any sort of chemical-warfare protective gear,” he says, “and despite that, none of them seem to be harmed.” This would seem to rule out most types of military-grade chemical weapons, including the vast majority of nerve gases, since these substances would not evaporate immediately, especially if they were used in sufficient quantities to kill hundreds of people, but rather leave a level of contamination on clothes and bodies which would harm anyone coming in unprotected contact with them in the hours after an attack. In addition, he says that “there are none of the other signs you would expect to see in the aftermath of a chemical attack, such as intermediate levels of casualties, severe visual problems, vomiting and loss of bowel control.”

Steve Johnson, a leading researcher on the effects of hazardous material exposure at England’s Cranfield University who has worked with Britain’s Ministry of Defense on chemical warfare issues, agrees that “from the details we have seen so far, a large number of casualties over a wide area would mean quite a pervasive dispersal. With that level of chemical agent, you would expect to see a lot of contamination on the casualties coming in, and it would affect those treating them who are not properly protected. We are not seeing that here.”

Additional questions also remain unanswered, especially regarding the timing of the attack, being that it occurred on the exact same day that a team of UN inspectors was in Damascus to investigate earlier claims of chemical weapons use. It is also unclear what tactical goal the Syrian army would have been trying to achieve, when over the last few weeks it has managed to push back the rebels who were encroaching on central areas of the capital. But if this was not a chemical weapons attack, what then caused the deaths of so many people without any external signs of trauma?

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The Syrian rebels (and perhaps other players in the region) have a clear interest in presenting this as the largest chemical attack by the army loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad to date, even if the cause was otherwise, especially while the UN inspectors are in the country. It is also in their interest to do so whilst U.S. President Barack Obama remains reluctant to commit any military support to the rebels, when only the crossing of a “red line” could convince him to change his policy.

The rebels and the doctors on the scene may indeed believe that chemical weapons were used, since they fear such an attack, but they may not have the necessary knowledge and means to make such a diagnosis. The European Union demanded Wednesday that the UN inspectors be granted access to the new sites of alleged chemical attacks, but since this is not within the team’s mandate, it is unlikely that the Syrian government will do so.

Stephen Johnson, an expert in weapons and chemical explosives at Cranfield Forensic Institute, said that the video footage looked suspect:

There are, within some of the videos, examples which seem a little hyper-real, and almost as if they’ve been set up. Which is not to say that they are fake but it does cause some concern. Some of the people with foaming, the foam seems to be too white, too pure, and not consistent with the sort of internal injury you might expect to see, which you’d expect to be bloodier or yellower.

Chemical and biological weapons researcher Jean Pascal Zanders said that the footage appears to show victims of asphyxiation, which is not consistent with the use of mustard gas or the nerve agents VX or sarin:

I’m deliberately not using the term chemical weapons here,” he said, adding that the use of “industrial toxicants” was a more likely explanation.

Michael Rivero asks:

1. Why would Syria’s Assad invite United Nations chemical weapons inspectors to Syria, then launch a chemical weapons attack against women and children on the very day they arrive, just miles from where they are staying?

2. If Assad were going to use chemical weapons, wouldn’t he use them against the hired mercenary army trying to oust him? What does he gain attacking women and children? Nothing! The gain is all on the side of the US Government desperate to get the war agenda going again.

As I type these words, US trained and equipped forces are already across the border into Syria, and US naval forces are sailing into position to launch a massive cruise missile attack into Syria that will surely kill more Syrians than were claimed to have died in the chemical attack.

Last time there was a chemical weapon attack in Syria, Bush administration office Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson said that he thought Israel might have given chemical weapons to the Syrian rebels to frame the government.

British MP George Galloway just floated the same theory in regards to the new chemical weapon attack.

Of course, we don’t know who carried out the attack, or what weapon was used.

But given the well-documented fact that the U.S. has been planning regime change in Syria for 20 years straight – and planned to use false ploys for 50 years – it is worth being skeptical until all of the evidence is in.

Indeed, many are asking whether this is Iraq War 2.0. For example, the Independent writes:

Pictures showing that the Syrian army used chemical weapons against rebel-held Eastern Ghouta just east of Damascus are … likely to be viewed sceptically because the claims so much resemble those made about Saddam Hussein’s possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) before the US and British invasion of Iraq in 2003.

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Like the Iraqi opposition to Saddam, who provided most of the evidence of WMDs, the Syrian opposition has every incentive to show the Syrian government deploying chemical weapons in order to trigger foreign intervention.

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But the obvious fact that for the Syrian government to use chemical weapons would be much against their own interests does not prove it did not happen. Governments and armies do stupid things. But it is difficult to imagine any compelling reason why they should do so since they have plenty of other means of killing people in Eastern Ghouta, such as heavy artillery or small arms, which they regularly use.

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The evidence so far for the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian army is second-hand and comes from a biased source.

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go their at your own risk
 

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Experts Doubt Syrian Chemical Weapons Claims

Posted on August 24, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog

Preliminary Evidence Indicates that the Syrian Government Did NOT Launch a Chemical Weapon Attack Against Its People

CBS News reports that the U.S. is finalizing plans for war against Syria – and positioning ships to launch cruise missiles against the Syrian government – based on the claim that the Syrian government used chemical weapons against its people.
CBS News reports that the U.S. is finalizing plans for war against Syria:

Charlie KayeVerified account
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More from @CBSDavidMartin: Joint Chiefs Chair GEN Martin Dempsey expected to present options for Syria strike at White House mtg tomorrow.

and positioning ships

Charlie KayeVerified account
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BREAKING. SecDef Hagel on plane to Malaysia: Defense Dept has a responsibility to provide the President with options for all contingencies

to launch cruise missiles

Charlie KayeVerified account
‏@CharlieKayeCBS
BREAKING. @CBSNews has learned that the Pentagon is making the initial preparations for a Cruise missile attack on Syrian government forces


The last time the U.S. blamed the Syrian government for a chemical weapons attack, that claim was was debunked.


See for Yourself: Syrian Government Likely Did Not Use Chemical Weapons
Posted on May 8, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog
Who Should You Believe … The UN Investigator or the U.S.?

Haaretz reported on March 24th, “Jihadists, not Assad, apparently behind reported chemical attack in Syria“.

UN investigator Carla Del Ponte said that there is strong evidence that the rebels used chemical weapons, but that there is not evidence that the government used such weapons:


Analysis || Jihadists, not Assad, apparently behind reported chemical attack in Syria
Intelligence reports suggest jihadists among the Syria rebels have technical know-how to produce chemical warheads.
By Anshel Pfeffer | 18:28 24.03.13 | 9

Jihadists, not Assad, apparently behind reported chemical attack in Syria - Middle East Israel News Broadcast | Haaretz
 

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If you read the transcript this is not a prediction it is an intention. I think they had so much trouble with Iraq that they had to rethink the timing. We are starting to see the other countries in that list going down.
this much i agree with drett.
zone.
 

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‘We are ready to go’: U.S. Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel says military prepared to strike Syria

Matthew Lee and Julie Pace, Associated Press | 13/08/27 | Last Updated: 13/08/27 12:36 PM ET
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WASHINGTON — The U.S. military stands ready to strike Syria at once if President Barack Obama gives the order, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Tuesday as the United States prepared to formally declare that chemical weapons had been used in the Syrian civil war.

U.S. officials said the growing intelligence pointed strongly toward Bashar Assad’s government as the culprit – a claim Assad called “preposterous.”

‘We are ready to go’: U.S. Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel says military prepared to strike Syria | National Post




God, have mercy on us.
Forgive us this terrible sin
 

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Hundreds Dead In Syrian Chemical Attack As Even Impartial Experts Allege "False Flag"

by Tyler Durden on 08/21/2013 07:47 -0400

Iraq Reuters

Overnight, it wasn't Egypt but Syria that woke up to the latest massacre, this time in a chemical weapons-induced slaughter when more than 200 people were killed shortly after 3 am local time, in what would be by far the worst reported use of chemical arms in the two-year-old civil war. Naturally, Syrian activists promptly accused the President al-Assad of conducting the attack that killed numerous women and children even though it was their chemicial weapons warehouse in the Damascus area that was uncovered just over a month ago.

Hundreds Dead In Syrian Chemical Attack As Even Impartial Experts Allege "False Flag" | Zero Hedge
 
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US officials believe Syria used chemical weapons, weigh military response - U.S. News ,,,,Isaiah chapter 17 "the destruction of Damascus",,,? should we look very close at this or should we see it as leading up to it years from now?,,,if we use limited strikes,will Syria up the response and use them again on a larger scale?,,,,
People rebel against a government and civilians start to get killed. So, the USA makes the situation
better by giving support to the rebels, thus getting more civilians killed. Then blames other government.

Is it possible for any elected official in the USA to even speak one truth? Just one?
I have seen lies after lies, since the Clinton administration. The reason to invade another
country are:
1. We are threatened
2. To protect our interest

Since Syria isn't a threat to the USA, there must be something of GREAT interest to protect, and it isn't
people. This idea of the Syrian government using chem weapons, you can bet, is a trumped up
charge. Just like ethnic cleansing in Serbia, just like weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,..etc
A stopped clock is right twice a day.