Virginians to Face Mandatory COVID Vaccination. Will They Resist? Who's Next?

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If mandated in your state would you comply?If U were told shopping, job, hinged on getting it?

  • If I was informed it would be the only way I could stay employed, feed my family, etc... YES!

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  • It'll never happen! This poll is stupid! A mandate would be unconstitutional just like the lockdown

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other opinion - Please elaborate if you would. Thanks in advance. :-)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I'd invoke religious exemption, Christian Scientist, Jehovah Witness, to avoid this

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    8
  • Poll closed .

soggykitten

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Any Virginians here? Admit it at least one of you read that as, virgins. :LOL:)

Saturday, 22 August 2020
Virginians to Face Mandatory COVID Vaccination. Will They Resist? Who's Next?'
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...-mandatory-covid-vaccination-will-you-be-next

It is becoming increasingly obvious that the COVID-19 pandemic is being used as a propaganda ploy to empower government to seize control of the most elemental life choices of the American people.

First, the lockdowns let governors, mostly Democrats and RINOs, determine who was “essential” and who wasn’t, and gave them the opportunity to force the latter to stay in their homes and close their businesses, among other tyrannies large and small.

Next came the madness of masking mandates that force people to wear masks whenever they need to conduct business. Neither lockdowns nor masks do anything to stop the spread of a virus, but they do psychologically condition Americans to be controlled and subjected to heightened tyranny over nothing less than the most fundamental activity necessary for life itself: breathing.



It seems clear that these two examples of deranged despotism were only to set precedents that would allow our “leaders” to impose mandatory vaccinations with whatever half-baked and dangerous concoction the FDA is so eager to approve.

Virginia has now become the first state to openly begin preparations to force the needle, at the point of gun, into the bodies of what used to be free American citizens.

Speaking to the ABC news affiliate channel in Richmond, Dr. Norman Oliver, the state’s health commissioner, promised he would mandate the jab.

“Dr. Oliver says that, as long as he is still the Health Commissioner, he intends to mandate the coronavirus vaccine,” Richmond’s 8News reported.

Commenting on his coercive plan, the megalomaniacal “doctor” said: “It is killing people now, we don’t have a treatment for it and if we develop a vaccine that can prevent it from spreading in the community we will save hundreds and hundreds of lives,” Oliver said.

Of course, much of what Oliver says isn’t completely true. There are treatments for COVID-19, not the least the inexpensive hydroxychloroquine based treatment. There are others besides. As for COVID killing people — it’s mostly not doing that either. In Virginia, so far 2,443 COVID deaths are listed on the state’s dashboard. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there are 8,535,519 residents of Virginia. This means that 0.028 percent of the population of Virginia has died of COVID-19. That’s considerably less than one percent. And, of course, those numbers may be inflated. As Dr. Deborah Birx admitted in April: “The intent is ... if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that.”

Compared to COVID, other health problems are far more dangerous to Virginians. According to the CDC, in 2017 cancer, the leading cause of death in the state, claimed 15,064 lives. Heart disease caused 14,861 deaths that year. Other causes of death:

Accidents: 3,922

Stroke: 3,555

Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease: 3,363

Alzheimer’s Disease: 2,549

Diabetes: 1,967

Kidney Disease: 1,618

Drug Overdose: 1,507

Septicemia: 1,249

Flu and pneumonia: 1,245

COVID is less deadly than many other causes of mortality in Virginia, and about the same as some others. Yet there are no full-blown statist overreactions to these other conditions. French fries and cheeseburgers have not been banned (yet). Moreover, one wonders how big the increase in death and suffering from these other conditions might be as a result of patients suffering these other diseases foregoing doctors’ visits over COVID fear, or outright being restricted from accessing healthcare during the lockdowns?

Regardless of whether mandatory vaccinations can be justified on some abstract public-health basis, where the needle meets the skin it becomes a matter of fundamental personal freedom. No person may make a claim to another person’s body or life. Doing so is the very definition of tyranny, and it was foundational to such monstrosities as Mengele’s “experiments” and the Holocaust — not to mention all the other state-run socialist/communist genocides of the last 150 years or so. This pernicious philosophy has rivaled war as a direct cause of bloodshed (though this is not to give a pass to war, as that is usually a statist project also).

Speaking of Mengele, read this short summary of the public health “work” done by this devil’s spawn and weep.

Perhaps we’re not quite to Mengele yet with mandatory vaccination. But we are standing on the philosophical precipice looking down at a very slippery slope.

Meanwhile, the very idea that the vaccine must be mandated tells you all you need to know about the expected desirability, safety, and effectiveness of the coming vaccines. In the face of disease, a safe and effective vaccine would hardly even need to be advertised. It would be, indeed, a “better mousetrap,” and the world would beat on big pharma’s doors to get access — much like the world beats today on the doors of the world’s papermakers in an attempt to purchase paper towels.

A purely voluntary vaccination program does not destroy freedom and, if based on a vaccine of proven safety and usefulness, would lead to rapid and widespread adoption — and would be much more effective than a mandatory campaign that amounts to a war on the citizenry.

Of course, bleats the chorus of pathetic quisling sheeple now overrunning the nation, Virginia’s Norman Oliver and his public health colleagues and their largely Democrat enablers just have our best interests at heart. They know best and we pitiful, dimwitted Americans should just let them run our lives. It’s for the best, after all.

On this point, Americans should turn to C.S. Lewis.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.” Lewis wrote in God in the Dock. “It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be ‘cured’ against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

What Lewis here describes fits some of our present overlords quite precisely, among them Virginia’s Norman Oliver.

He and his ilk must be opposed, or any semblance of freedom Americans think they have remaining will wind up in the trash heap of history.

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TheIndianGirl

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I'm afraid that my employer may require the vaccine. We are all still teleworking now. I think that would be a greater worry. I don't mind taking the vaccine but not right away.
 

Fundamental

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There are social media channels where there is an automated “factchecker”. Stuff like Instagram.
If you post there something wrong (according to them) about vaccines, it is instantly “faded out” with their correction on the foreground.

It basicly once said a government can mandate vaccination. “Nutcrackers” as I were warning for years we should get more control as citizens first before they force more unto us.
Every dictatorship takes your liberties little by little and ends up with eugenics. That is why the globalistic cabal is advocating those evil men like Bill Gates and Bill Nye to “reshape” our kids into their lies.
 

soggykitten

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Government has had absolute control for a very long time.
Citizens are told to contact their representatives if they wish to be an active part of their own governance. Right. What chance do we have with an email or a snail mail contact of those representatives compared to lobbyists who coerce representatives with the bribe of millions of dollars, trips to exciting resorts, stock in a company that wants their concession to the passage of a bill that benefits said company, and so forth.

Constitution Center
Where does the government’s right to require vaccinations come from?
February 27, 2015

42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 - Standards of responsibility | U ...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22
Oct 01, 1988 · No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, solely due to the manufacturer’s failure to provide direct warnings to the injured party (or the injured party’s legal representative) of the potential dangers resulting from the administration of the vaccine …
 

soggykitten

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The whole start of this Corona thing I believe was nefarious in intent. Control. Stripping us of our constitutional and civil rights. And a test to see how far we'll bend to the rules that do that stripping.
I was at a ice cream shop yesterday when a man came to the counter to order. The person he approached was clocking in on the register and had his mask down just past his nose. This man asks the guy to pull his mask up over his nose.
Masks don't stop the spread of virus. Lies abound as we know already with regard to what we've been told and what is false about Covid 19. And yet there are people who still believe all the propaganda out there about it.

The Democrats wanted to tank the economy Trump built up in a very short time compared to the time span that preexisted his term in office wherein the economy was cut to shreds. How do they do this? Virus!
Close businesses. Close the country! Put people out of work.

If we wanted to know how serious this lie is, all we had to do was watch the officials and how they behaved when all the rest of us were told to follow Corona Courtesies rules.
 
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Kim82

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Well I feel that the government should be first in line to take the vaccine. And the people can wait and watch and take it at their leisure if they want to.

But what about encouraging people to boost their immune system to fight the virus naturally?

Perhaps the elderly and those with other illnesses should go ahead first since it is said they are at a greater risk.

But hmmmm I don't know about this mandatory thing. Was enough time spent developing and testing this vaccine or was it rushed?

I really don't know what to say, I don't know much about it.

What about pregnant women, or mothers who have to breastfeed, is it safe for them?

So many covid conspiracies going around; no one knows what to believe.

May God give us wisdom and show us exactly what we are to do.
 

breno785au

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I can understand the concern about mandatory vaccinations, I don't agree with mandatory vaccinations but at the same time. Do the people who think there is some underlying evil conspiracy behind it, have they not taken vaccinations for other diseases in the past? And what makes this one different from say a polio vaccination?
 

SoulWeaver

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I can understand the concern about mandatory vaccinations, I don't agree with mandatory vaccinations but at the same time. Do the people who think there is some underlying evil conspiracy behind it, have they not taken vaccinations for other diseases in the past? And what makes this one different from say a polio vaccination?
It's a lot different than polio.
Death rate, for one.
Also, availability of cure.
Per example, someone might lose a limb of some bacterial infection, but if it's easily treated with antibiotics, why vaccinate? Hcq in combination with zinc and some say also azythromycin - especially if given early - had great success in America. Pretty much all people in difficult condition survived and we're better in less than a day, regardless of background conditions.
Then, many people have moral issue with aborted fetal cells usually used in vaccine development.
I'm sad that people are not seeing that this is all about business, making money. Why is that so incredible? As if health related companies have never been dishonest before.
Why not only make it available and let adult individuals decide whether they or their children are high risk and take vaccine accordingly. Why not have freedom? When precedents are set, it is difficult to overturn them. People should never lose one inch of freedom. The vaccine has its market, people with chronic conditions, but since flu vaccine manufacture started, the companies have lobbied and scaremongers and their puppets have crept into health care establishments and legal institutions and have been pushing seasonal vaccinations for all regardless of risk to be mandated into law by their puppets, in my country they already mandated it did the pregnant elderly and some others but they want to force all and they speak about it, coronavirus is just another variation of that business model. You see what money that is to be made? The company agents already bribe and influence doctors, giving them bonuses to prescribe their products - why is this different?

 

Fundamental

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I can understand the concern about mandatory vaccinations, I don't agree with mandatory vaccinations but at the same time. Do the people who think there is some underlying evil conspiracy behind it, have they not taken vaccinations for other diseases in the past? And what makes this one different from say a polio vaccination?
Polio vaccin is getting shot with an inactive virus.
Corona vaccin is getting shot with a genetic modified virus which is not inactive. These vaccins for corona in trial have already caused other viral diseases.