VP Pence Recommends A Peculiar Role Model For Senate Democrats . . .

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posthuman

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(CNN source)

For only the third time in American history, the US Senate has opened a trial for an impeached president. On Thursday, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts administered a special oath to all senators, requiring that they "do impartial justice" in their judgment of the president's alleged "high crimes and misdemeanors." What does that mean in practice, when the Senate is so divided by party, with a majority leader who has promised to coordinate closely with the impeached president?

Vice President Mike Pence published a powerful, but deceptive article in Friday's Wall Street Journal that offers the White House position. Pence called for "courage" from Senate Democrats who, he contended, must be willing "to stand up and reject a partisan impeachment." He invoked former Republican Senator Edmund Ross who, during the trial of President Andrew Johnson in 1868, voted against the Republican Party to prevent the removal of the president. As Pence put it: "Ross was determined to render a fair judgment, resisting his own party's stampede."
Pence bought into the false notion that Ross was a "profile in courage" for refusing on principled grounds to be the final vote needed to remove Johnson from office. His account is historically dishonest on every count and it reveals the contortions the White House is willing to perform to protect its power at all costs -- precisely the attitude that helped to trigger impeachment in the first place. When a president and his closest advisers pathologically lie to the public, and Pence's article is yet another example, how can the American people (and our allies) believe anything coming out of the White House? How can a president lead when he has violated all foundations for public trust?

In this op-ed, Pence has distorted basic American history and civics into Soviet-style propaganda, where the facts are intentionally turned upside down. Numerous historians have written about President Andrew Johnson's impeachment, and Senator Ross' role in his trial -- including Manisha Sinha, Brenda Wineapple, David Greenberg and David Stewart. They all agree -- and no serious historian disagrees -- that Ross intended to vote for Johnson's conviction, but suddenly changed his mind. Ross did not experience an epiphany of conscience or a surge of courage. Evidence suggests he was bribed.
President Johnson's supporters promised Ross, who had only come to the Senate in 1866 through corrupt maneuvers in Kansas, that he could have appointments for his close friends in lucrative federal government jobs. In particular, Ross' financial supporter, Perry Fuller, was appointed collector of revenue in the Port of New Orleans. Fuller promptly used his position to steal $3 million, for which he was eventually arrested. Another Ross associate was appointed Superintendent of Indian Affairs in what is today Oklahoma.



These were promises made in advance to Ross. He corresponded repeatedly with President Johnson after his vote demanding compensation "in consequence of my action on the Impeachment." And the president was attentive to Ross' demands, as he was for few others. There is also reason to believe, based on circumstantial evidence and informed opinion at the time, that Ross received a large cash payment.
No one believed that Ross was a man of conscience or principle. No one argued that he was a defender of the Constitution. He used his vote to benefit himself. And he protected a president who did everything he could to prevent the enforcement of the Constitution's protections for African American civil rights, as stipulated in the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act of 1866. Ross personally corrupted the impeachment process.
Why is Mike Pence promoting a criminal senator from history? Pence's claims are not simple oversights -- the facts are clear and obvious. No one should look to Ross as a model for senatorial statesmanship.
Pence's article suggests that this White House seeks to corrupt the current impeachment process by demanding that senators violate their oaths of impartiality for personal gain. Pence is defining "courage" as toadyism and venality, and constitutional duty as a cartoon.

We need a serious Senate trial, which redoubles efforts at impartiality, to protect the Congress from becoming fully infected by a new generation of Edmund Rosses.
 
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Posthuman, you're one of the members here that I have much respect for, but I have to be honest... you lost me at 'source: CNN'
 

Nehemiah6

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WHEN A CHRISTIAN QUOTES *LIBERAL HACKS* THERE IS NO CREDIBILITY

Vice President Mike Pence published a powerful, but deceptive article in Friday's Wall Street Journal that offers the White House position.
When someone accuses a Christian straight-shooter like Mike Pence of deception, there is no hope of finding the truth.
When a president and his closest advisers pathologically lie to the public, and Pence's article is yet another example...
When pathological liars like the whole gang at CNN accuse Trump, Pence, and Trump's legal team of being pathological liars, you know there will be absolutely nothing truthful. Pure propaganda.
Why is Mike Pence promoting a criminal senator from history?
Why has CNN been promoting criminals and traitors like Hillary and Obama, and all the Deep State operatives all this time?
We need a serious Senate trial...
Actually the Senate should have DISMISSED those bogus articles of impeachment. Finally two of Trump's lawyers called it what is -- an affront to the Constitution and the American people.


Posthuman, you should not have posted such a vile and evil opinion from one of the enemies of America - CNN.
 

posthuman

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Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor,
nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
(Leviticus 19:15)

But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
(James 2:9)


Thou shalt not wrest judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift:

for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous.
(Deuteronomy 16:19)
 

kaylagrl

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WHEN A CHRISTIAN QUOTES *LIBERAL HACKS* THERE IS NO CREDIBILITY


When someone accuses a Christian straight-shooter like Mike Pence of deception, there is no hope of finding the truth.

When pathological liars like the whole gang at CNN accuse Trump, Pence, and Trump's legal team of being pathological liars, you know there will be absolutely nothing truthful. Pure propaganda.

Why has CNN been promoting criminals and traitors like Hillary and Obama, and all the Deep State operatives all this time?

Actually the Senate should have DISMISSED those bogus articles of impeachment. Finally two of Trump's lawyers called it what is -- an affront to the Constitution and the American people.

Posthuman, you should not have posted such a vile and evil opinion from one of the enemies of America - CNN.

The entire thing is an utter sham. A waste of time and money. Dems have tried to impeach him since he came into office. They have been waiting to pounce. I hope they fall on their faces and the country can see what a bitter, lying, power hungry lot they really are.
 

Nehemiah6

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Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor,
nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
(Leviticus 19:15)
You just violated this by posting unrighteous accusations against righteous Pence. So ask the mods to allow you to change the title of the thread to "Vicious Leftist Attack on Righteous Pence".
 

posthuman

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"can anything good come out of Nazareth?"
 

Nehemiah6

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"can anything good come out of Nazareth?"
Can any good spelling and capitalization come out of posthuman? You marked my post as "bad spelling" when the spelling was perfect. Another indication that CNN has taken you captive.

As to your quote above, it is an apt description of the evil-thinking of the American Leftists. It does not matter how much good he has done, Trumo is evil, evil, evil, every day of their miserable lives. The hatred of the Left fot Trump is similar to the hatred of the Pharisees for Christ -- totally irrational but demonic to the core.
 

kaylagrl

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Are ye not then partial in yourselves
(James 2:4)
Umm, what has this verse to do with my comment? CNN is utterly slanted, biased and full of lies. Period.
 

Whispered

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CNN is not credible in the least.They haven't been for years. CNN makes up news, they create fake news. As they've also admitted.

CNN 'Journalist Of The Year' Quits; Admits He Wrote Fake News ...
https://newspunch.com/cnn-journalist-admits-fake-news/
CNN 'Journalist Of The Year' Quits; Admits He Wrote Fake News December 19, 2018 Baxter Dmitry News , US 2 A reporter who was awarded CNN's "Journalist of the Year" prize has resigned from his job and admitted to writing fake news for several years because he felt " pressure ."

2017CNN Admits They Published FAKE NEWS – Forced To Apologize

Fake News CNN was forced not only to remove a fake news story that they made up but was forced to apologize to the individual that they smeared as they tried desperately to connect Trump associates to “Russia.”
 
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Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor,
nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
(Leviticus 19:15)
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
(James 2:9)
Thou shalt not wrest judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift:
for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous.
(Deuteronomy 16:19)
The question Is ,how do you get a Christian to be unbiased knowing right and wrong when It comes to political Issues?
 

posthuman

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The question Is ,how do you get a Christian to be unbiased knowing right and wrong when It comes to political Issues?
certainly not without this:

Philippians 3:20
our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ
 

Nehemiah6

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The question Is ,how do you get a Christian to be unbiased knowing right and wrong when It comes to political Issues?
The first thing for any Christian is to honestly acknowledge that ALL the mainstream media networks throughout the West are now partisan propagandists for the Left-Liberals and the Globalist Elites. Therefore truth does not matter to them, particularly to CNN. This vicious attack on Pence is actually an attack on Christians, since Pence has publicly proclaimed his faith.