Why I Didn’t Eat at Chick Fil A Today by CAROLE CHAPUT on AUGUST 2, 2012

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Nautilus

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Now wait a second. He didn't say he doesn't like gays. He just said he didn't support them marrying! *sigh*

And it's not.

It was starting to affect his business. Chick-Fil-A was gonna open in Boston, and because of his views, they're forbidding it!

They're acting like he had no right to say it.

Well, they asked. They got an answer. What did they EXPECT out of a VERY strong Christian?

And as I said earlier. They weren't just going after him. They were also going after Christianity itself.

What would happen if we DID just say, "Poor guy...oh well...?"
So Boston doesnt want to give permit to a guy who only believes in traditional marriage and whose company donates millions to anti-gay organizations like the Family Research Center, so because this goes against the general climate in the city of Boston and they don't want a Chick-Fil-A there, its wrong on their part how?
Cities are responsible for maintaining the images they have...if Boston doesn't want anti-gay organizations in their city its their right. It has nothing to do with Christianity. Im sure you could find plenty of christian businesses in boston.
 
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I say If you, your friends, and family choose not to go there then fine, but for government to kick companies out.

What happens in all the Christian based beliefs state / local government – Do they kick all the atheist businesses out?
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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So Boston doesnt want to give permit to a guy who only believes in traditional marriage and whose company donates millions to anti-gay organizations like the Family Research Center, so because this goes against the general climate in the city of Boston and they don't want a Chick-Fil-A there, its wrong on their part how?
Cities are responsible for maintaining the images they have...if Boston doesn't want anti-gay organizations in their city its their right. It has nothing to do with Christianity. Im sure you could find plenty of christian businesses in boston.
Every city has the right to deny or accept business licenses for any reason. I thought I had said this here before, but I might be thinking of a different forum: I know of a city that denied one license because the colors of that business' logo would clash with the decor of their downtown. Seriously.

In comparison, Rahm's speech seems pretty tame.
 

Nautilus

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I say If you, your friends, and family choose not to go there then fine, but for government to kick companies out.

What happens in all the Christian based beliefs state / local government – Do they kick all the atheist businesses out?
im going to assumeyou scored lowly on the reading comprehension part of the SAT. Ok the reason everyone is mad isnt because of what ANYONE said. People got mad because Chick-Fil-A as a corporation(not individual, but corporation) donated over 5 million dollars to organizations openly fighting gay rights, saying homosexuals are pedophiles, and works to make being gay actually illegal. And now youre going to whine that a city doesnt want to be associated with chick-fil-a aw boohoo. This isnt an attack against christianity, its an attack on hatred. Maybe once you comprehend that you cant stop crying persecution and deal with the actual issue. This isnt an atheistic town kicking out a christian business. This is an open-minded town not allowing in someone who openly supports hate groups.
 

JimJimmers

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I think if CFA's values really went against Boston's values, the free market would take care of the problem.
 
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Operationally you'll find that "civil" and "discourse" are often a contradiction in terms.
 

Nautilus

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Really Nautilus? Can we have a civil discourse without being insulting?
Well he commented on my previous post yet completely ignored 98% of it which shows a lack of comprehension
 

JimJimmers

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Okay, I was going to start a thread about this, but this one seems active, and this is on the subject, so I'll post it here.

While I think many Christians were shocked at the strong reaction by homosexuals and the media, I wasn't. Being homosexual is their identity, in a lot of cases. I have been going through a prayer burden for a homosexual man I know. He once helped my sister out, and wouldn't take any money for his trouble. He was abused by his parents, and was rejected by the church he went to. I would never hint to this man that I oppose gay marriage, as I really don't. It's not God's perfect will, but until he knows the love of Jesus, that is all he has.

I have prayed about showing Christ's love to everyone, including homosexuals, and I cannot add my voice to any anti-gay marriage group. My friend isn't happy or peaceful, this is obvious. He doesn't need to be told what he's doing is wrong, unless he asks. I liken him to a self-harmer. If you saw someone slicing themselves with a razor blade, you wouldn't tell them, "That's fine, that's just how you are." And you wouldn't tell them, "You are a bad person."

We can only show them the love of Christ. And pray for them.

Now, I was still repulsed by what the Mayors did, and the marriage issue is deeper than it is made out to be, as polygamy laws could also be called discriminatory, but I really wanted to share with you guys how I feel towards homosexuals. God bless.
 
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Jullianna

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JimJimmers, I'm not a fan of straying too far off topic, but I want to say that I fully understand your compassion for this gentleman. I have friends who have defined themselves as homosexuals as well. While I don't understand someone's self worth being so deeply tied to their sexual interests, it is very difficult to see the hurt that lies so close to the surface.

While I have my thoughts about sexual sin and the redefinition of marriage, I am most definitely not for abusing people in any way. I would like to see discussions regarding these matters remain on a far more respectful level than they normally do, on all sides.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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While I have my thoughts about sexual sin and the redefinition of marriage, I am most definitely not for abusing people in any way. I would like to see discussions regarding these matters remain on a far more respectful level than they normally do, on all sides.
I have posted this on other threads, but it seems to be appropriate here as well.

Here's my suggestion for a "solution" to the question of gay marriage:

Get rid of the word "marriage" altogether.

The word carries too much baggage. I do not see the two sides ever agreeing to disagree. The U.S. needs to recognize this, and stop trying to force the two sides together by squishing two very different understandings of "marriage" into one word. Because we really are talking about two completely different things here.
1. According to Christianity (and many other religious persons), "marriage" is a God-blessed union between One Man and One Woman, a pact made between two people that is holy and divine.
2. According to the laws of the United States, certain civil rights are granted based on "marriage." These laws have nothing to do with God. Laws like how to file one's taxes, who has inheritance rights of property, how benefits get paid out, etc. I have a friend who is a lawyer who actually verified this for me: there are over 1,000 federal rights that are granted to a couple when they get married, that are not granted under the "civil union" that some states have. That doesn't include any additional state clauses and marital benefits.

Denying gay people equal rights is wrong. You can think they're the worst sinners since Hitler, that is still no reason to treat them as second-class citizens.

So what I recommend is that we, here in the U.S., institute two completely different things:
1) Holy Matrimony, or whatever the church, temple, mosque, or synagogue wants to call it. A couple can be wedded in this religious ritual according to whatever rules that particular church wants to place. If a church wants to say marriage is only between one white male between 40 and 50 and one white female between 20-30, go for it. That is their right. People probably won't be members of their false religion, but they have the right to believe what ever they want. The government has absolutely no power over what constitutes or institutes this union. It is strictly religious. Period.

2) Union. If a couple wishes to be recognized as a couple for tax and other legal purposes, that couple must get a license from whatever government unit (city hall, county courthouse, what ever). This union grants "couple" status on any two consenting adults who are old enough to agree to make that decision. It is a legal contract. Obviously, there is no fear of a "slippery slope" of someone marrying his or her dog or cat (one complaint I hear sometimes from conservatives Christians ... if we allow gays to marry, what's next, marrying your horse?), because an animal cannot make legal decisions, so such a union would not be a valid legal contract. I could see polygamy being legal in this case, if AND ONLY IF everyone involved consented. (Honestly, I don't know why anyone would want to have more than one spouse. I can barely handle the one I have! Two husbands? Oy, what a headache!) Legal contracts can be written up for all sorts of things, and as long as there are no victims, fine.

A couple can get a legal union from the courthouse and also go through a matrimony in the church if they want. Or, they can just get the legal union, and not get a church ceremony (which makes sense for anyone who isn't religious). Or, a couple could be wedded in a church, but never get the "piece of paper." They would be married in God's eyes, but they would not have any of the legal benefits of marriage. (Actually, I know a few cases where this has happened, when a couple wants to be together, but there are financial reasons why marrying would not be beneficial -- tax consequences. So the couple has a ceremony but does not get a license. They are married in God's eyes, but not in the states. You think God cares what the state thinks?)

This is actually how it is done in many countries. I don't know why we don't do it that way here. I think it could easily solve the problem. Christians don't have to worry about gays destroying their sacred rite, and gays still get all the civil rights due them.
 

Nautilus

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sigh some people really have no idea what even caused this whole mess^