How Not to be Labeled as a Player at Your Church--Part 1.

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seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Hey Everyone,

A conversation yesterday reminded me of something I've wanted to ask for a long time.

As a long-term single, I would say that the most-often repeated piece of advice that Christian singles are given is that we should "find a nice Christian girl/guy at church."

Um. Yes. Because obviously, absolutely NONE of us could actually think of that one on our own. :rolleyes:

Now of course, I greatly appreciate that people would care about us as singles and want to try to give us some kind of helpful advice, but I often wonder if people think about how this works out in real life.

Over the next 2 threads, I would like to give some examples based on people I have known over the years in real life. Each example is going to be a guy just because there seems to be the thought in Christian singles that the men should step up, but all of these cases could just as easily apply to a modern girl as well.

Everybody ready? Here we go!

Each story is of a young Christian man who hoped to meet the "right" girl whom they will marry. They were all given the advice from other Christians to to seek out a future spouse at their church.

Here are their stories:

1. Sam had been paying attention to the young women who attended his Young Adults Bible class. He asked out one of the girls in his class, but she said no. Sam then set his sights on another girl in the class, and intends to ask her out in a few weeks. Fortunately, Sam goes to a very large church with lots of different service times, classes and activities.

If none of the young women in THIS class that he is interested in will go out with him, he intends to keep searching in other classes and service times at his church. And if THAT doesn't work, well, there are plenty of other churches out there from which he can try to find a wife.

2. Rob also goes to a Young Adults Bible Study, but he belongs to a much smaller church with only 2 Sunday services, and the Bible study he attends is really the only thing they have going for people his age.

He too asks out a young woman from his Bible study, but she turns him down as well. There are 2 other girls in his class that he thinks he might also be interested in, and so he plans to move on to asking the next one out the following month. And if she turns him down, there is always the third girl to ask.

Hopefully, she will be "the one", because she is literally the only option left at his church. And if she doesn't work out... Well. Maybe he can start attending another church and can find someone there.


* What can you relate to in these stories? Have you found yourself facing a similar dilemma?

* What advice would you give to "Sam" or "Rob", or anyone in their situations?

* Do you feel they are taking the wrong approach? What should they be doing instead?

I have to admit that I'm a bit torn because I know these guys are trying to do the right thing in following the advice they were given. But at the same time, if I knew that they had each asked out several girls at church, then moved on to another church to find a new set of options, I would certainly be a bit wary if one of them asked me out.

* What is a Christian single to do?

I am really looking forward to reading your thoughts, because I've known a lot of Christian singles who seem to find themselves in this situation, and I am wondering how others would handle it.

Our married friends are welcome to post, too, because maybe they went through a similar thing while they were looking for their own spouse.

God bless you all in your searches and thank you for posting! :)
 

Lynx

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"I'm a team player! I tried to ask out the whole team, one girl at a time! Now they call me a player..." :D

Nah, I'm still sitting in the high bleachers.
 
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Why are these guys using their bible study groups as fishing holes for potential mates? That right there is the real problem if you ask me..
 

Lynx

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Why are these guys using their bible study groups as fishing holes for potential mates? That right there is the real problem if you ask me..
Because they have been told "If you want to find a good wife, find one at church." So... they are doing what the whole church world told them to do. And they are labeled as players.

So... who's up for hitting the bar tonight? There's this lovely little thing I saw there a couple nights ago and I'm hoping she'll come back tonight. :cool:
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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Why are these guys using their bible study groups as fishing holes for potential mates? That right there is the real problem if you ask me..
Well... As singles, that's what we're told to do.

"Find a good guy/girl at your church."

And so the most natural thing to do is to look around at the people you're interacting with the most at your church in the groups you're involved with--just sub in any other church group (Youth Group, Choir, Band, Missions Outreach, etc.) for "Bible Study" and I guarantee nearly every single Christian will start there, because we're told to.

If we're going to find someone at church, the easiest way to start is to look among those we have the most frequent/personal contact with in a group.

After all, we're not just going to attend a service and start handing out our phone number to anyone who looks single... are we? :p
 

seoulsearch

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All of these stories are based on real-life people I knew who ran into these problems.

Personally, I think it's a real dilemma, especially for Christian guys, seeing as they're always told to "step up," and if they are rejected, to then just "man up and keep on asking."

Admittedly, I would prefer that a guy ask me out as well.

But if I found out he'd asked 10 other girls out before me, I'd be a bit leary (even if it wasn't his fault and all the other girls had turned him down.)

I suppose that in a way though, it's kind of become the "normal" thing. I mean... asking out 10 girls in real life and then moving on to the 11th isn't much different (to me, at least), then sending out 300 generic mass emails on a dating site and checking any replies one might get.
 

Lynx

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After all, we're not just going to attend a service and start handing out our phone number to anyone who looks single... are we? :p
We're not?

Oh... um...

I mean no, of course not! I've never done that! Nope. :cool:
 
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Jennie-Mae

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Looks like church goers ain’t matchmakers. Or, maybe old Sam and Rob took the advice too literally?

But I guess no girl wants to go out with a guy that has her stocked up as alternative #2-11. Not very romantic.
 

Pipp

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In cases like mine.... unless I'm willing to go out with a 17 year old or a 65 year old there are no options in the church. By the way... I'm not willing ... just for the record .
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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In cases like mine.... unless I'm willing to go out with a 17 year old or a 65 year old there are no options in the church. By the way... I'm not willing ... just for the record .
Well thank you for clearing that up, Pippy.

I was just about to make a list of what I could get you for your wedding to the 65-year-old (his and her matching dentures?)

No offense to the wise, wonderful 60-somethings here!
 

tourist

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My counsel, based on observation, pertaining to women, is to not to strictly focus your search on finding a loving and faithful man in your local church setting. There are plenty of good single men outside of church and if you limit your search exclusively to any available men in church you may be neglecting an opportunity of a lifetime.

Why just men in church? It's not as if all of the men outside in the world do not possess the quality and characteristics of what is important in a real man who may one day become your husband. I would especially avoid pastors who, in my opinion are exposed to countless temptations leading to marital infidelity. Oh yeah, do not marry a choir boy because, as with pastors, may have an unrealistic perception of what it means for a wife to submit to her husband. Besides that, they are also probably sexually naïve when it comes to sexual matters.

Of course, God should always be relied on to search and find a man of your heart's desire. Don't set the bar so high that no man can possibly meet your standard of perfection. Also, the longer you wait the more likely it is that there are not a whole lot of virgin men left, and you have to be willing to accept that. No man is perfect but many can become a good supportive husband if given the chance.

Don't wait until all the 'T's' are crossed, all the 'I's' dotted, and all the lights are green before making your move as you may be waiting a very long time as God is not going to drop the perfect spouse in your lap. This will require action on your part. Don't let fear of rejection make you tentative in your approach. This same advice is for the single guys too. If you have a fear of commitment it is best to remain single, being content to watch the years go by and one day ask yourself why you are alone in the world.

There are plenty of single available men and women that would make a good spouse and become your best friend. You just never know who you are going to meet.
 

Lynx

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Why just men in church? It's not as if all of the men outside in the world do not possess the quality and characteristics of what is important in a real man who may one day become your husband. I would especially avoid pastors who, in my opinion are exposed to countless temptations leading to marital infidelity. Oh yeah, do not marry a choir boy because, as with pastors, may have an unrealistic perception of what it means for a wife to submit to her husband. Besides that, they are also probably sexually naïve when it comes to sexual matters.
Aww shucks, that puts me out on two counts. I'm a preacher AND I'm one of those choir boys, complete with the naivety.

But thanks for clearing that up. Now I know why I'm still single. :rolleyes:
 

tourist

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Why are these guys using their bible study groups as fishing holes for potential mates? That right there is the real problem if you ask me..
I fully concur with your estimation. Sam and Rob have a narrow myopic view on potential spouses. They should forget about limiting their search to women who attend bible study, go out into the real world and get their head in the game. Sam and Rob are not serious players, but just going through the motions trying to get lucky. Jasmine and Jennifer deserve much better than those two losers.
 

tourist

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Aww shucks, that puts me out on two counts. I'm a preacher AND I'm one of those choir boys, complete with the naivety.

But thanks for clearing that up. Now I know why I'm still single. :rolleyes:
There are of course exceptions to the rule. That being said, there might be a sweet woman at work that would love the chance to go on a date with you. Maybe you could write her a little note expressing your interest and slip it to her before you clock out. She would probably kiss this little note, tuck it away in her bible for safe keeping, and put on a little lip gloss.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Hey Everyone,

A conversation yesterday reminded me of something I've wanted to ask for a long time.

As a long-term single, I would say that the most-often repeated piece of advice that Christian singles are given is that we should "find a nice Christian girl/guy at church."

Um. Yes. Because obviously, absolutely NONE of us could actually think of that one on our own. :rolleyes:

Now of course, I greatly appreciate that people would care about us as singles and want to try to give us some kind of helpful advice, but I often wonder if people think about how this works out in real life.

Over the next 2 threads, I would like to give some examples based on people I have known over the years in real life. Each example is going to be a guy just because there seems to be the thought in Christian singles that the men should step up, but all of these cases could just as easily apply to a modern girl as well.

Everybody ready? Here we go!

Each story is of a young Christian man who hoped to meet the "right" girl whom they will marry. They were all given the advice from other Christians to to seek out a future spouse at their church.

Here are their stories:

1. Sam had been paying attention to the young women who attended his Young Adults Bible class. He asked out one of the girls in his class, but she said no. Sam then set his sights on another girl in the class, and intends to ask her out in a few weeks. Fortunately, Sam goes to a very large church with lots of different service times, classes and activities.

If none of the young women in THIS class that he is interested in will go out with him, he intends to keep searching in other classes and service times at his church. And if THAT doesn't work, well, there are plenty of other churches out there from which he can try to find a wife.

2. Rob also goes to a Young Adults Bible Study, but he belongs to a much smaller church with only 2 Sunday services, and the Bible study he attends is really the only thing they have going for people his age.

He too asks out a young woman from his Bible study, but she turns him down as well. There are 2 other girls in his class that he thinks he might also be interested in, and so he plans to move on to asking the next one out the following month. And if she turns him down, there is always the third girl to ask.

Hopefully, she will be "the one", because she is literally the only option left at his church. And if she doesn't work out... Well. Maybe he can start attending another church and can find someone there.


* What can you relate to in these stories? Have you found yourself facing a similar dilemma?

* What advice would you give to "Sam" or "Rob", or anyone in their situations?

* Do you feel they are taking the wrong approach? What should they be doing instead?

I have to admit that I'm a bit torn because I know these guys are trying to do the right thing in following the advice they were given. But at the same time, if I knew that they had each asked out several girls at church, then moved on to another church to find a new set of options, I would certainly be a bit wary if one of them asked me out.

* What is a Christian single to do?

I am really looking forward to reading your thoughts, because I've known a lot of Christian singles who seem to find themselves in this situation, and I am wondering how others would handle it.

Our married friends are welcome to post, too, because maybe they went through a similar thing while they were looking for their own spouse.

God bless you all in your searches and thank you for posting! :)
hmmm....


my advice to both of them or the single would just be to not be discouraged


try and learn to be happy with God and how blessed they already are

and keep trying
lol

if someone thinks youre a player for getting rejected

hahaha
thats not someone id pay much attention to


but zero made a good point about if someone is using the bible study for something like finding a woman... it seems kind of disingenuous
 

Tommy379

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Because they have been told "If you want to find a good wife, find one at church." So... they are doing what the whole church world told them to do. And they are labeled as players.

So... who's up for hitting the bar tonight? There's this lovely little thing I saw there a couple nights ago and I'm hoping she'll come back tonight. :cool:
Now me and you see eye to eye.
 

melita916

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At my home church, our struggle was we were so involved in so many ministries, we didn’t have time to look outside the church for potentials lol! So when a new person showed up..... lol.
 

Tommy379

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I married a pretty little girl in church. 16 years later, we are divorced.

As far as the guys being players..... no, they are trying to get dates. If they were playas, they'd be dating all those girls at the same time.

As far as women not wanting to be asked second, third, or last...... they need to get over that. The real world isn't a Disney movie. Rarely do two people meet for the first time, and fall for each other on the spot.
 

tourist

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Because they have been told "If you want to find a good wife, find one at church." So... they are doing what the whole church world told them to do. And they are labeled as players.

So... who's up for hitting the bar tonight? There's this lovely little thing I saw there a couple nights ago and I'm hoping she'll come back tonight. :cool:
She asked, "Are you a Christian, child" and you replied "Ma'am I am tonight!" Walking in Memphis.
 

tourist

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I married a pretty little girl in church. 16 years later, we are divorced.

As far as the guys being players..... no, they are trying to get dates. If they were playas, they'd be dating all those girls at the same time.

As far as women not wanting to be asked second, third, or last...... they need to get over that. The real world isn't a Disney movie. Rarely do two people meet for the first time, and fall for each other on the spot.
Only in Hollywood, but then again, maybe I'm living in a fantasy world.