Sex before marriage: a poll

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What are your opinions on sex before marriage?

  • It is a sin and we should abstain

    Votes: 38 88.4%
  • It is okay, God will forgive us. Besides, a man/woman has needs you know!

    Votes: 4 9.3%
  • It's a normal part of modern dating, everybody does it

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • Total voters
    43

Noose

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Maybe normaly but we follow the laws of the land so it's a sin unless you have a certificate for marriage or whatever, that's like saying you can drink because Jesus didn't put an age on liquor when the law obviously says to wait until 21 and we are supposed to obey the government unless it diametrically opposes God. Also, weddings are fine because God attended one.
God oversees marriages because He ordained it and blessed it and He is involved in it. IOW, there's a connection between marriage and our spirituality. God says "let no man separate what i have joined.." meaning that He is directly involved in our relationships. Where did God ever say 'let no man puke what they have been drinking'? You are comparing apples and Helicopters.

God also had His feet washed and massaged by a prostitute does it mean we are to do the same? i don't understand your reasoning.
I'm not against weddings, i'm against the idea that a wedding defines marriage and i'm totally against the idea of making vows and promises. Do you have control over the future?
 

LightBright

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God oversees marriages because He ordained it and blessed it and He is involved in it. IOW, there's a connection between marriage and our spirituality. God says "let no man separate what i have joined.." meaning that He is directly involved in our relationships. Where did God ever say 'let no man puke what they have been drinking'? You are comparing apples and Helicopters.

God also had His feet washed and massaged by a prostitute does it mean we are to do the same? i don't understand your reasoning.
I'm not against weddings, i'm against the idea that a wedding defines marriage and i'm totally against the idea of making vows and promises. Do you have control over the future?
Nope but we should do what we're told, vows are just words promises are another thing i agree. Even then though, the law is the law divorce is one thing like i said it diametrically opposes God's will but marriage is not the same topic. Merely having sex in America is adultery, and it's probably the same for most other places. Not only that but paul when talking about being content in all circumstances emphasized marriage too, he didn't just say "if you're burning with passion have sex and stay together." He said marry unless I'm mistaken ofc. They didn't just have sex even at that point let alone today.
 

PyongPing

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okay.....but Eph 5:31 yet again makes it clear the sex is marriage in the physical practical world
I did ask you about:

Joh 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
Joh 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
Joh 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
 

PyongPing

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I almost spat out my coffee.
Jesus said:

Mat_12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Luk_11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

To say "If" in regards God's existence is doubt in what He has already said to you, "I AM", and moreso, denial of the Truth you already know, but hold the truth in unrighteousness.

Notice:

Psa_14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.​
Psa_53:1 To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.​
The fool says, "No" to God, who says to them, "I AM". They say, "No, God, I AM" ... Thus they cut themselves off from Eternal Life (God).

Jesus said:
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.​
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.​

The Creator is known by you, and the evidence all around you, and in you.

Here, you may utilize the following, and be no longer doubting or in denial:

http://www.pearltrees.com/awhn/biblical-creation-history/id1593499
 

Yama

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I am just going to add my comments over yours in red.

Mat_12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Luk_11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

To say "If" in regards God's existence is doubt in what He has already said to you, "I AM", and moreso, denial of the Truth you already know, but hold the truth in unrighteousness. I am guessing you're a presuppositionalist? In which case - there's no point even talking to you because you're not going to get beyond you're first assumption. If not, God hasn't actually said "I AM" to me it's written in the bible it is no more compelling to me than reading any other religious text. You're assuming there is any reason to even begin to take that text at anything beyond face value - what evidence do you have that such words were ever telepathically transmitted to another human being? The fact that someone wrote it down? - that doesn't make it true anymore than other works of human imagination. This is the important part I would like you to understand about my position. Even though I do not think there is sufficient reason to take any of that beyond a philosophical point of interest, that doesn't mean I don't think it has value to you.

Notice:

Psa_14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.​
Psa_53:1 To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.​
The fool says, "No" to God, who says to them, "I AM". They say, "No, God, I AM" ... Thus they cut themselves off from Eternal Life (God).
<-- which God? This is no more compelling than a Muslim telling me there is no God but Allah, yes people have beliefs and those people have opinions about the views of others just like the Author of the Psalms. That doesn't = therefore God exists because again, somebody wrote it down. This isn't the big book of easy answers. Again, there is a historical context here, a. The God of the Bible ie YHWH is a God that derived from a Pantheon of Gods much like the Roman or Greek Pantheons. Overtime, after contact with the religion of Zoroaster, which was monotheistic the Hebrews became monotheistic too worshiping only YHWH. It's of no suprise such sentiments would be contained within a bibliography of cultural religious works that centered around a single deity. Yet again just because it is in a book doesn't say anything about the reality of it.

Jesus said:
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.​
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

<-- Again, historical context and not a surprise...how does that = reality. Also, not that these two versus are examples of this have a read through this page for additional perspective https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bible_interpolation

The Creator is known by you, and the evidence all around you, and in you. Perhaps the point you'll have the most trouble digesting but anyway. This is some next level arrogance.


Here, you may utilize the following, and be no longer doubting or in denial:

http://www.pearltrees.com/awhn/biblical-creation-history/id1593499[/QUOTE] <-- Twice you've made me spit my coffee out. So I entertained the link and watched some of these videos. They're literally presenting the same old fallacious points that have been refuted thousands of times here, you may utilise the following, and no longer be fooled by weak arguments
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_times


Also, I just watched one by Mark Armitage regarding soft tissue in dinosaur...Man the guy literally say's 'I am trying to prove how this can work' <- he doesn't have any evidence, and he is doing the exact opposite of what scientists actually do which is try to falsify a hypothesis. Essentially what he has is an assumption and is now looking for things to fit that assumption - which is not how you do science... also read this article for a bit of perspective https://www.nature.com/news/university-sued-after-firing-creationist-fossil-hunter-1.16281
 

Blanche

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7seasrekeyed

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Blanche

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Me thinks Blanche was just giving stats.
That's right. There was, very recently, a thread on the topic and one person admitted to it. One. The chances are that he/she was not alone. There is a difference between what we say and whato his t we do. I should have included this to make my point. I get the feeling I am not well liked on this forum. That's okay, t oo. Maybe I can make some think more about the issues. I wish there were no left and right, no division. I am quite sure Jesus would not abide with this sort of thing.
 

7seasrekeyed

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That's right. There was, very recently, a thread on the topic and one person admitted to it. One. The chances are that he/she was not alone. There is a difference between what we say and whato his t we do. I should have included this to make my point. I get the feeling I am not well liked on this forum. That's okay, t oo. Maybe I can make some think more about the issues. I wish there were no left and right, no division. I am quite sure Jesus would not abide with this sort of thing.

seeing your very contrary replies to my posts in another thread, I had no way of knowing you were just giving statistics

as far as left and right division, since your views are so very liberal in the other thread and mine are not, perhaps understand it is not personal but merely a reflection on your stand on certain issues

the forum prob likes you just fine. however if you are going to post certain things, be aware others will also post certain things

engagement in this forum should not be taken personally and those who do come off as oh so popular, usually do so because they always take neutral ground

you do not and I do not. I can assure you I am not popular with many here ;)
 

Noose

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Nope but we should do what we're told, vows are just words promises are another thing i agree. Even then though, the law is the law divorce is one thing like i said it diametrically opposes God's will but marriage is not the same topic. Merely having sex in America is adultery, and it's probably the same for most other places. Not only that but paul when talking about being content in all circumstances emphasized marriage too, he didn't just say "if you're burning with passion have sex and stay together." He said marry unless I'm mistaken ofc. They didn't just have sex even at that point let alone today.
1 Cor 6:15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Or don’t you know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said,“The two will become one flesh.”

You seem to insist on wedding but here Paul insinuates that sex alone is marriage. A prostitute is a business man/lady, they do it purely for economic gains and there's no way they would exchange vows in a church as part of their business; yet Paul says doing business with them you become one flesh, the very definition of marriage.
 

Demi777

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1 Cor 6:15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Or don’t you know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said,“The two will become one flesh.”

You seem to insist on wedding but here Paul insinuates that sex alone is marriage. A prostitute is a business man/lady, they do it purely for economic gains and there's no way they would exchange vows in a church as part of their business; yet Paul says doing business with them you become one flesh, the very definition of marriage.
Do u really think anyone will change their mind?
Generation over generation of tradition hardens the heart of the people.
God bless u and keep up going for the truth. we need it more today than ever
 
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UnderGrace

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...vangelicals-have-premarital-sex/#2b43f61f739d
"80 percent of unmarried evangelical young adults (18 to 29) said that they have had sex – slightly less than 88 percent of unmarried adults, according to the teen pregnancy prevention organization."
Sorry Blanche there is absolutely no reliable or valid information here, only polemics trying to blame "abstinence only" beliefs as being a failure and social marketing bid for birth control for adolescents.
 

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there are some creepy posts in this thread IMO

outer limits type stuff :eek:
I agree, and the Twilight Zone too. I used to love watching those two shows in the '60's. Still like the reruns too. Don't care much for the newer versions which have since been cancelled. Song of Solomon is really just an exceptional simple love story with romance and intimacy, there is no need to spiritualize everything in the bible that you happen to take an exception too. You're right about the creepy posts, some peeps just don't get it.
 

tourist

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...vangelicals-have-premarital-sex/#2b43f61f739d
"80 percent of unmarried evangelical young adults (18 to 29) said that they have had sex – slightly less than 88 percent of unmarried adults, according to the teen pregnancy prevention organization."
Just because they are evangelical does not mean that they are exempt from giving in to temptation, especially at a young age. I am surprised that the number is as high as been reported though, I would have guessed a much lower percentage. That 88% seems a couple of points higher than I would expect too. Regarding unmarried sexual relations, this has been going on since Adam and Eve and is not a new phenomenon by any stretch of the imagination. That's just the way it is.
 

tourist

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1 Cor 6:15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Or don’t you know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said,“The two will become one flesh.”

You seem to insist on wedding but here Paul insinuates that sex alone is marriage. A prostitute is a business man/lady, they do it purely for economic gains and there's no way they would exchange vows in a church as part of their business; yet Paul says doing business with them you become one flesh, the very definition of marriage.
It may indeed be a marriage in the biblical sense but that does not mean that God joined two such persons together.