sinful to masturbation, etc?

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Surely this must have been brought up by others. In my case, I think I have a good idea, and as long as I've been reading and judging it by God's word and asking for advice to even pastors and people, it's still not so clear, especially when I appear to not do it for the reasons other people do. Well, to ask more specifically as just asking is masturbating a sin, that's always debated even with scripture. So, I hear the action usually of masturbation isn't a sin, but lust. And they say that's the desire of flesh and sinning. Now, years ago, I did do it by accident which is a personal weird story actually, and I was so young it didn't involve any thought of sexual matters and just enjoyed the different feeling and it became a habit. Over the years, I did begin to naturally change as all people basically do into desires for sex. Yet, I always was highly against sex before marriage, being perverted and such. I also wake up sometimes with dreams of a wife that I have never been married, and I can wake up with very sexual feelings and it's difficult to not masturbate and just ignore it. And if I don't masturbate, then sometimes I can have wet dreams and that bothers me because it gets on my bed or myself and I have to wash clothes when I'm really not easily able to with things I have. I also would enjoy a wife for someone to love and share sexual feelings with, but I'm in no position to be a man to barely even take care if myself from my very difficult life that is very unlike the common people I met around the u.s.a. plus it's hard for people to even want to be my friend for how I am whenever I get upset and angry, even though I have a really kind side and a heart of the Lord. So, it does say it's better to be married in the bible for your sexual feelings rather than using them with others not being married for it would be sinful. And I'm still a virgin, in person, I never look at females with lust and in fact if they talk to me, I try to encourage them to cover their bodies with more appropriate clothing. It disgusts me. I also really don't want to be married actually unless I feel someday God really wants me to be. Because of many reasons of how it will change my life and even the woman I'd may for both good and bad reasons. So, I'm basically stuck sometimes will these feelings, wishing I could have a wife to use them, but I can't and surely I could not marry anytime soon. And I have seen pictures of naked women before in masturbation, yet I don't like to see them having sex in the pictures or anything besides just sitting there. I find it as attractive beauty. Yet, many times it sounds lustful. But any other time I don't think perverted thoughts, and it's not a daily thing so it's not a very strong habit. But I have done it for years and I tried to not do it, but it is also quite hard to completely ignore it. Plus as I mentioned before, if I ignore it then it will happen asleep and do something to bother me so I can't really control it that way. In all that, is it wrong to masturbate in my circumstances/situation, with or without thinking of or seeing pictures of women in my mind? It really won't effect me with real women, I know that for I completely don't like to see women in person or in front of me and be lustful. But I do have sexual feelings that only this seems to release.
 

sealabeag

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Long story short, yes it's sinful.
Even if you are doing what you are doing without lustful thoughts or sinful material, chances are that if this habit continues lustful thoughts will creep in.
Better not to do it, give it to God.
Here's a simple question; Do you think Jesus did it?
 
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Do I think Jesus did it? No. Simply I don't believe at all he had sexual desires or needs. Mainly most humans do, but rarely we can meet singles as virgins all their life as they had no sexual feelings or desires either. But I basically agree it is sinful. Even if it wasn't, it can lead to more sin or trouble, so it'd be best just to stay away from it. Same with many other things like medications or foods.
 

Agricola

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People think up all kinds of reasons to ease the nagging doubt and to just do it. Trying to say Jesus did it is the ultimate attempt in justification and ignoring the guilt.
 

blue_ladybug

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ANOTHER thread about porn and masturbation?!!! I am truly shocked that so many christians are going through this. Then again, sin and lust don't care what religion you are, or if you're even religious at all. :/

Long story short, masturbation is a sin and you would be better off banishing it away from you for good. :)
 

sealabeag

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People think up all kinds of reasons to ease the nagging doubt and to just do it. Trying to say Jesus did it is the ultimate attempt in justification and ignoring the guilt.
The point I was making that Jesus did NOT do it. :)
 

zeroturbulence

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I think a better question is: did the apostles do it?
 

Nautilus

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I think a better question is: did the apostles do it?
While I understand the sentiment thats a terrible question because a lot of the apostles daily lives were left out of the gospels. I never remember any of the twelve being recorded as having used the restroom for example...
 

zeroturbulence

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While I understand the sentiment thats a terrible question because a lot of the apostles daily lives were left out of the gospels. I never remember any of the twelve being recorded as having used the restroom for example...
Exactly! :rolleyes:
 

Atwood

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There is no scripture vs masturbating. There is scripture vs lust and vs committing sin in the heart.
He who loves neighbor as self has fulfilled the whole law.

Our whole approach is wrong whenever we consider an ethical or moral issue as if it were a matter in its own right, separated from loving God & neighbor. If it has nothing to do with loving God & neighbor, it is most likely legalism.
 

Atwood

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I think a better question is: did the apostles do it?
The question is rather, what does the Bible teach on this subject. Peter went fishing, so what? Peter pretended to keep the law when he lived like a Gentile (Gal. 2). So what? Philip "counted beans," so what?
 
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Sealabeag, Agricola, Nautilus and ZeroTurbulence, I really don't care if I get banned, but I have to say this: you are all a bunch of idiots, retarded, brainless animals, stupids, shameless, insolents etc. etc. May an angel of God cut your hands next time you plan to translate on a public forum the shit that reigns on your heads.

Atwood, you won the price of the most idiot from CC yard.
 

LEPIDUS

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Sealabeag, Agricola, Nautilus and ZeroTurbulence, I really don't care if I get banned, but I have to say this: you are all a bunch of idiots, retarded, brainless animals, stupids, shameless, insolents etc. etc. May an angel of God cut your hands next time you plan to translate on a public forum the shit that reigns on your heads.

Atwood, you won the price of the most idiot from CC yard.

This is a post you made in the bible discussion forum, Where you claim to follow the Christian law.


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Re: Here is another passage for the law/sabbath keepers to explain away........[/h]

Originally Posted by cfultz3

What does the Christian Law fulfill?



It puts you in relation with God. You get baptized in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and you receive Christ in your heart (Galatians 3:27); you are born of water and spirit (like Christ said we must be). You are now a christian, you have become part of the Body of Christ. You participate in the life of the Church (a theanthropic organism) and share in the Life of the Holy Trinity through the Holy Mysteries (Holy Eucharist, Baptism, Marriage etc.).

Church prepares us for the Kingdom of God, which we wait and long for; we have the Holy Spirit to comfort our waiting for the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. In Church we pre-taste heaven because in heaven every need that we have will be replaced by God: He will be our food, our clothes, our shelter, He will be everything for us. The Holy Mysteries and the Church make holy (through the participation of the Holy Spirit) our most human needs by giving to them a spiritual meaning: baptism would be the equivalent of washing our bodies, but it is not for cleansing of the body, but of the soul. Holy Eucharist is our spiritual food, marriage is for salvation (and not for satisfaction of our passions) etc.

So, the Christian Church has an eschatological purpose: that of preparing us for the real Life. This is what the Christian law fulfills.​


This is just one of your many post I have read, where you claim you follow the council of Jerusalem and what not.. Your whole ideal of your understanding of so called Christianity is thrown out the window by this little tantrum you just posted.

I did not bother to read all the post of those other people, but with you, seeing how you claim to be christian and have the so called truth I need to call you out. Take the advice I gave to someone else, sometimes its best to stay quiet.

You can't even say you are being a good witness to your belief by this uncalled for rant. Instead of condemning them you should keep them in prayer.
 

zeroturbulence

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Sealabeag, Agricola, Nautilus and ZeroTurbulence, I really don't care if I get banned, but I have to say this: you are all a bunch of idiots, retarded, brainless animals, stupids, shameless, insolents etc. etc. May an angel of God cut your hands next time you plan to translate on a public forum the shit that reigns on your heads.

Atwood, you won the price of the most idiot from CC yard.
Well isn't that special.
 

blue_ladybug

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Sealabeag, Agricola, Nautilus and ZeroTurbulence, I really don't care if I get banned, but I have to say this: you are all a bunch of idiots, retarded, brainless animals, stupids, shameless, insolents etc. etc. May an angel of God cut your hands next time you plan to translate on a public forum the shit that reigns on your heads.

Atwood, you won the price of the most idiot from CC yard.

I Dont Even.jpg what in the.....???
 

Tinkerbell725

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Sealabeag, Agricola, Nautilus and ZeroTurbulence, I really don't care if I get banned, but I have to say this: you are all a bunch of idiots, retarded, brainless animals, stupids, shameless, insolents etc. etc. May an angel of God cut your hands next time you plan to translate on a public forum the shit that reigns on your heads.

Atwood, you won the price of the most idiot from CC yard.

What?! ...Shut the.... front door! Please....
 

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