The Dangers No One Talks About (Or Seems Aware Of) When Serving as a Single.

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seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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Hey Everyone,

If singles received a dollar for every time we heard, "Use your blessed single time to get closer to the Lord!" and donated it to the church, the Christian church would be THE richest organization on earth, hands down. I've probably heard this phrase spoken to me more times in my adult life than I have heard any of these people call me by my own name.

Starting at about age 29, I set out to try to follow this advice as closely as I possibly could. I used to keep a list of all the classes, devotions, outreaches, retreats, seminars, and ministries I had participated or served in and it filled several pages. Now, I know someone is going to bring up the passage about "Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing" (Matt 6:3) in our service to the Lord, but the reason I kept a list was because I CONSTANTLY felt I had to PROVE to other "Christians" that I actually WAS trying to get closer to God. It always felt as if other Christians were constantly accusing me of being a lazy heathen who was wasting all her "blessed single time with the Lord."

How in the world could I defend myself against this constant barrage of "advice"?

For instance, this is my current personal study Bible:
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The note cards, tabs, and markings are all from my own personal studies OUTSIDE of any classes or other things I'm participating in. I use a separate Bible for those things. This is the 6th Bible I've done this to in about 20 years, and I'm often able to pray at work while finishing up mindless tasks. But yet, people tell me I'm just not doing enough to get closer to the Lord.

In addition, here are some of the problems I've come across in the ministries I've been part of--have any of you noticed these things, too?

* Children's ministry -- parents who were 10 years younger than I am talked to me as if I were the teenage babysitter. I'm not saying they need to treat me like I'm anything special, but being treated as a grown adult--who gets listened to-- would be nice.

* Prayer ministry -- I had problems with people becoming a little too attached to me, like the woman who started calling me at all hours of the night (an elder had to intervene), and the man who was struggling with a pornography addiction who started asking for me to talk or pray with him by himself. (I declined, and always made sure my prayer partner was with me after that.)

* Prison, veterans, and homeless ministries -- All kinds of issues with the wrong people trying to make the wrong attachments here, as you can imagine, to the point where I stopped doing any of those things altogether. I realize some people would say I was foolish for even trying to participate in such things, but I felt at the time that this was where the Lord was calling me. There just weren't any safety ropes put into place to allow me to continue.

* Teen ministry -- a good friend of mine (male) was being asked to drive a van load of teenage girls home alone by himself at the end of the evening so the leaders could get home to their own families. They completely ignored any concerns he brought up about his safety or reputation, which caused him to have to quit, and because of their treatment of singles as second-class servants, I decided it was best to back away from anything these people were leading.

These are just a few of many examples. What are some of yours?

When other Christians tell singles that they should be using their time to get closer to and serve the Lord, I think they should also have to state what responsibilities they are taking up in order to make it POSSIBLE for singles to BE ABLE to serve SAFELY in the first place.

* What dangers have you encountered while getting closer to or serving the Lord, and how did you overcome them?

* How did your leadership handle your concerns?

* What was done to protect your safety and integrity as a Christian single?
 
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Wow,!!

Well, at least from what I can see your handwriting is better and readable than most!!!
As to the rest of your thread.. Oh, I have a lot to say, but I will keep my thoughts, comments, and opinions to myself.
 
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missy2014

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Kim just be you n don't worry about I'm happy ur happy with your organisation of your notes and bible. No worries don't sweat the small stuff! Its like me I could feel falsely guilty for all the times I refer to numbers or deal in numbers I'm an inny a introvert so I like thinking expresses things in number form but why apologise I hurt my maker God our father for apologising for my introverted self u know with liking graphs charts, projects. If people don't like me and with you Kim just ignore them. Personally as this graphy charty, numbers girl and visual learner I like all your sectioned pieces if your notes and bible I like the bright colours don't forget that their are people that like what you do Kim focus on them forget about the rest.
 
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I thought this was going to be about... :rolleyes:

 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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Lol, Zero!!! Oh, it feels that way sometimes!!! :D

Wow, I honestly didn't notice that the card I had on display was "Persecution"... Seems kind of fitting for the topic. :cool:
 

Pipp

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Sep 17, 2013
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I often got lumped into the teen events even though I was in my upper 20's . One day one of their preteen kids were being real disrespectful to an elderly lady and I said something to him about it (his parents were fellowshipping inside the church with friends) and he smarted off to me before running to tell his parents who came to confront me.... when I told his father how he was speaking to the elderly lady he told me I should have told him and that I wasn't married so his kid didn't have to listen to me. I was 29 years old. The older lady I was defending spoke up and said how stupid of a thing that was to say and basically said no wonder your kid is so disrespectful. The next service the man apologized and corrected his son.

Moral of the story.... I got treated like a teenager cause I was always classified as one.
 

Dino246

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... I wasn't married so his kid didn't have to listen to me.
Good thing he apologized, otherwise you'd have reason to give him a good (Bible) thumping.

To the OP, I suspect single females (wrongly!) receive this kind of treatment more often than single males. I don't think I've ever been accosted as such. I certainly wouldn't tolerate it now... I would flip it back on the person asking and have them first justify how they use their holier-than-thou time. ;)
 
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GaryA

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he told me I should have told him and that I wasn't married so his kid didn't have to listen to me.
What????

I can understand the "should have told him" part somewhat, but the rest is just plain dumb.

:rolleyes: SMH
 

Lynx

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Aug 13, 2014
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Kim I have to say I haven't seen these things in my church. Not disagreeing with you, just saying I haven't experienced them myself so I can't verify or deny they exist.

What I do know is when I was picking up a teenage girl on the bus route, a friend of mine rode with me. I referred to my friend's job as "indemnity patrol."

I know we have good leadership at my church. Maybe it's better than I thought because I don't know how bad it COULD be...
 

Pipp

Majestic Llamacorn
Sep 17, 2013
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Kim I have to say I haven't seen these things in my church. Not disagreeing with you, just saying I haven't experienced them myself so I can't verify or deny they exist.

What I do know is when I was picking up a teenage girl on the bus route, a friend of mine rode with me. I referred to my friend's job as "indemnity patrol."

I know we have good leadership at my church. Maybe it's better than I thought because I don't know how bad it COULD be...
Consider yourself very blessed :)
The church I'm at now, it isn't bad at all. It's a real blessing.
 

ChandlerFan

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Yeah, like Lynx I have been blessed with a church that has never made me feel less than for being single. Our church does celebrate engagements, marriages, and children being born (which should be celebrated!), and it can be tough to always do that with a smile, but that's more of a generic thing and not something that is hurtful or insensitive. I would say if anything I more encounter issues with just feeling left out of groups of people my age, and there are other things that cause me to think that single people get seriously overlooked. I think people just forget how tough singleness can be.
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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Yeah, like Lynx I have been blessed with a church that has never made me feel less than for being single. Our church does celebrate engagements, marriages, and children being born (which should be celebrated!), and it can be tough to always do that with a smile, but that's more of a generic thing and not something that is hurtful or insensitive. I would say if anything I more encounter issues with just feeling left out of groups of people my age, and there are other things that cause me to think that single people get seriously overlooked. I think people just forget how tough singleness can be.
I have to admit that one of the things I've been struggling with, and I've posted about this before, is that some of the people (back when I was 25 and newly divorced) who patted me on the head and told me to "enjoy my blessed single time with the Lord" are now facing singleness themselves (whether due to death or divorce). It's funny how much can change in 18 years.

Most of them are remarrying faster than you can say "Rebound Relationship" (one remarried in less than a year), and I want to ask every single (no pun intended!) one of them, "WHY ARE YOU NOT ENJOYING YOUR BLESSED SINGLE TIME WITH THE LORD???" What would their honest answers be?? Would they be honest enough to say that they don't want to be alone, and that they want to be able to have sex? In other words... it's because they don't want to be single. So why is it that they can't take their own advice when their time comes?

These experiences have made me appreciate people who DO have sympathy on singles all the more. It's a wonderful blessing that we have so many married people here who understand, or are at least willing to listen to our problems and concerns as singles.

But for the ones who don't understand and toss out "Use this time to get closer to the Lord!!" like good, obedient, pre-programmed robots, I always want to ask:

1. "What are YOU going to do when YOUR blessed time of singleness comes, because God rarely calls a married couple home at the same time?"

2. "Are you telling me this because you secretly believe that you will die before your spouse, and being alone is something you'll personally never have to face?"
 
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melita916

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At my home church, singles were always grouped with the youth ministry. As i got older, this frustrated me cuz dang it! Im not a teenager lol. 3 of us then got so involved with ministry, each day we were doing something with church. One time, i was asked to do something, and i said i didn't know if i had the time. The person said, "time? But you're not married. What do you mean you don't have time?"

I was upset for about 3 days lol jk. But it did tick me off.
 

BrokenSparrow

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Sep 12, 2016
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Hey Everyone,

If singles received a dollar for every time we heard, "Use your blessed single time to get closer to the Lord!" and donated it to the church, the Christian church would be THE richest organization on earth, hands down. I've probably heard this phrase spoken to me more times in my adult life than I have heard any of these people call me by my own name.

Starting at about age 29, I set out to try to follow this advice as closely as I possibly could. I used to keep a list of all the classes, devotions, outreaches, retreats, seminars, and ministries I had participated or served in and it filled several pages. Now, I know someone is going to bring up the passage about "Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing" (Matt 6:3) in our service to the Lord, but the reason I kept a list was because I CONSTANTLY felt I had to PROVE to other "Christians" that I actually WAS trying to get closer to God. It always felt as if other Christians were constantly accusing me of being a lazy heathen who was wasting all her "blessed single time with the Lord."

How in the world could I defend myself against this constant barrage of "advice"?

For instance, this is my current personal study Bible:
View attachment 169734

The note cards, tabs, and markings are all from my own personal studies OUTSIDE of any classes or other things I'm participating in. I use a separate Bible for those things. This is the 6th Bible I've done this to in about 20 years, and I'm often able to pray at work while finishing up mindless tasks. But yet, people tell me I'm just not doing enough to get closer to the Lord.

In addition, here are some of the problems I've come across in the ministries I've been part of--have any of you noticed these things, too?

* Children's ministry -- parents who were 10 years younger than I am talked to me as if I were the teenage babysitter. I'm not saying they need to treat me like I'm anything special, but being treated as a grown adult--who gets listened to-- would be nice.

* Prayer ministry -- I had problems with people becoming a little too attached to me, like the woman who started calling me at all hours of the night (an elder had to intervene), and the man who was struggling with a pornography addiction who started asking for me to talk or pray with him by himself. (I declined, and always made sure my prayer partner was with me after that.)

* Prison, veterans, and homeless ministries -- All kinds of issues with the wrong people trying to make the wrong attachments here, as you can imagine, to the point where I stopped doing any of those things altogether. I realize some people would say I was foolish for even trying to participate in such things, but I felt at the time that this was where the Lord was calling me. There just weren't any safety ropes put into place to allow me to continue.

* Teen ministry -- a good friend of mine (male) was being asked to drive a van load of teenage girls home alone by himself at the end of the evening so the leaders could get home to their own families. They completely ignored any concerns he brought up about his safety or reputation, which caused him to have to quit, and because of their treatment of singles as second-class servants, I decided it was best to back away from anything these people were leading.

These are just a few of many examples. What are some of yours?

When other Christians tell singles that they should be using their time to get closer to and serve the Lord, I think they should also have to state what responsibilities they are taking up in order to make it POSSIBLE for singles to BE ABLE to serve SAFELY in the first place.

* What dangers have you encountered while getting closer to or serving the Lord, and how did you overcome them?

* How did your leadership handle your concerns?

* What was done to protect your safety and integrity as a Christian single?
Wow, Ive been there. People think singles have so much free time. It's really the opposite when you work and manage all the chores of day to day living by yourself.

When someone told me I should be doing more for the church, I would always reply... why not get a house wife to do it they got so much more free time than I do :p


I'll be off the hook soon though. I'm getting married in June so now I might be able to take it easy and just rest at my church :p
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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Wow, Ive been there. People think singles have so much free time. It's really the opposite when you work and manage all the chores of day to day living by yourself.

When someone told me I should be doing more for the church, I would always reply... why not get a house wife to do it they got so much more free time than I do :p


I'll be off the hook soon though. I'm getting married in June so now I might be able to take it easy and just rest at my church :p
Congratulations to you, Sparrow!!! Here's to wishing you and your future husband a life of blessings and happiness. <3 Someday, you can come back and tell us about all the stereotypes married people have to face. :)



I do have a lot of empathy for those who are married and/or have families. I grew up in a family of stay-at-home moms, so I know some of the stigmas given to anyone who is seen as "having too much free time" (as if that ever happens to anyone who is a parent :rolleyes:.)

My hope is just that different people in different situations would try to understand each other's position and be willing to offer something useful instead of tired cliches (especially when they haven't lived them out in their own life.)
 

BrokenSparrow

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Congratulations to you, Sparrow!!! Here's to wishing you and your future husband a life of blessings and happiness. <3 Someday, you can come back and tell us about all the stereotypes married people have to face. :)



I do have a lot of empathy for those who are married and/or have families. I grew up in a family of stay-at-home moms, so I know some of the stigmas given to anyone who is seen as "having too much free time" (as if that ever happens to anyone who is a parent :rolleyes:.)

My hope is just that different people in different situations would try to understand each other's position and be willing to offer something useful instead of tired cliches (especially when they haven't lived them out in their own life.)
Thanks and yes I'm sure I'm just getting ready to go from one stereotype to the next.

It would be nice if everyone could try and have some understanding for other "groups"...I have never stayed at home with children and never like staying at home for too long. I don't know if I could handle their work load...I think that would drive me nuts:p
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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I think something that never gets talked about as people (whether married or single) are always told to "Think about others, not yourself!! Go out there and serve!!" is that in order to serve efficiently, you HAVE to be able to think about yourself in order to know yourself--and be able to establish unmovable boundaries.

When I first jumped into serving, I was terribly naive and just wanted to help people.

But praise God for a lesson I heard many years later in which the truth was told that "People will drain you dry. They don't care about you--all they care about is lessening their own pain." And this was coming from someone who had been in ministry for 30 years.

Everyone (from the people you serve to the leaders themselves) is going to want more, more, more, no matter how much you do--and if you aren't sure enough of yourself to be able to know when to say no, you are going to be pulled to pieces.

I know that for myself, I've learned that when I join a ministry, I'll tell them that I serve for X amount of time, so they can't sign me on indefinitely. I no longer allow people to call me 24/7, unless it's my closest friends, or a dire emergency. And, I no longer let anyone, no matter who they are, just talk to me in any manner they feel like spitting out at the time. I am going to stand up for myself.

I'll either say, "Can we find a more respectful way to discuss this," or, it's simply the end of the discussion.

Back when I first started, I pretty much put up with anything and everything. If I can help anyone be a lot smarter and stronger than I was, I'm more than happy to do so.
 

Ahwatukee

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Mar 12, 2015
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Hey Everyone,

If singles received a dollar for every time we heard, "Use your blessed single time to get closer to the Lord!" and donated it to the church, the Christian church would be THE richest organization on earth, hands down. I've probably heard this phrase spoken to me more times in my adult life than I have heard any of these people call me by my own name.

Starting at about age 29, I set out to try to follow this advice as closely as I possibly could. I used to keep a list of all the classes, devotions, outreaches, retreats, seminars, and ministries I had participated or served in and it filled several pages. Now, I know someone is going to bring up the passage about "Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing" (Matt 6:3) in our service to the Lord, but the reason I kept a list was because I CONSTANTLY felt I had to PROVE to other "Christians" that I actually WAS trying to get closer to God. It always felt as if other Christians were constantly accusing me of being a lazy heathen who was wasting all her "blessed single time with the Lord."

How in the world could I defend myself against this constant barrage of "advice"?

For instance, this is my current personal study Bible:
View attachment 169734

The note cards, tabs, and markings are all from my own personal studies OUTSIDE of any classes or other things I'm participating in. I use a separate Bible for those things. This is the 6th Bible I've done this to in about 20 years, and I'm often able to pray at work while finishing up mindless tasks. But yet, people tell me I'm just not doing enough to get closer to the Lord.

In addition, here are some of the problems I've come across in the ministries I've been part of--have any of you noticed these things, too?

* Children's ministry -- parents who were 10 years younger than I am talked to me as if I were the teenage babysitter. I'm not saying they need to treat me like I'm anything special, but being treated as a grown adult--who gets listened to-- would be nice.

* Prayer ministry -- I had problems with people becoming a little too attached to me, like the woman who started calling me at all hours of the night (an elder had to intervene), and the man who was struggling with a pornography addiction who started asking for me to talk or pray with him by himself. (I declined, and always made sure my prayer partner was with me after that.)

* Prison, veterans, and homeless ministries -- All kinds of issues with the wrong people trying to make the wrong attachments here, as you can imagine, to the point where I stopped doing any of those things altogether. I realize some people would say I was foolish for even trying to participate in such things, but I felt at the time that this was where the Lord was calling me. There just weren't any safety ropes put into place to allow me to continue.

* Teen ministry -- a good friend of mine (male) was being asked to drive a van load of teenage girls home alone by himself at the end of the evening so the leaders could get home to their own families. They completely ignored any concerns he brought up about his safety or reputation, which caused him to have to quit, and because of their treatment of singles as second-class servants, I decided it was best to back away from anything these people were leading.

These are just a few of many examples. What are some of yours?

When other Christians tell singles that they should be using their time to get closer to and serve the Lord, I think they should also have to state what responsibilities they are taking up in order to make it POSSIBLE for singles to BE ABLE to serve SAFELY in the first place.

* What dangers have you encountered while getting closer to or serving the Lord, and how did you overcome them?

* How did your leadership handle your concerns?

* What was done to protect your safety and integrity as a Christian single?
Hello SoulSearch,

The bottom line on this is that, your good works and who you give to, is none of anyone's business. Furthermore, we are not working for our salvation by performing good works. Jesus is the One who you are going to stand before at the Bema seat where you will receive rewards or loss of rewards things done that are acceptable or not acceptable. Those people need to pay attention to their good works and not yours or others.

And as far as good works and giving go, I practice what the Lord said "be careful not to do your good works before men to be seen by them. I tell you the truth, they have already received their reward in full." And regarding giving He said:

"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."

And His word gives the same warning regarding fasting and prayer.
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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Meme addiction as a single is really a problem TBH.
Is there a support group for this?

Or at least a national hotline?

A 12-Step Program designed to wean people off memes? ("Hi, I'm Seoul, and I'm a Mem-e-holic.")

If there isn't one already, maybe someone needs to start one... Mr. Off. *hint, hint* :cool: