The Hostility Between Men & Women

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Do people have negative, latent attitudes they're unaware of?

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Lynx

Lynx

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Live4Him3 said:
Lol.

I'm truly not angry.

He just needs a lot of help.
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I know. I was just taken aback by his unmitigated temerity in telling you that you shouldn't be angry.

It reminds me of the car game involving Volkswagon Beetles and punching your brother on the shoulder. When you see a Beetle you punch him and say the color, "Blue slug bug, no slug bug back." That never worked very well with me: You punch me on the shoulder and make a rule that I shouldn't punch you back, and expect me to OBEY it? My brother found out how well that worked real fast. :p
 
Moses_Young

Moses_Young

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GaryA said:
His desire is to 'have' her, not to 'control' her.

The "sense" of my word 'have' is more loving in nature; the "sense" of my word 'control' is more hard/harsh in nature.

Any "sense" of 'possession' in this passage would be in a way more like 'have' and not in a way more like 'control'.

I just don't see the "sense" of 'control' - as some in this thread are proposing - in any of those verses. (Genesis 3:16, 4:7; Song of Solomon 7:10)

I think it is being [mentally] "superimposed" onto the verses of scripture. It is not really actually there in the 'grammar of the language'.

The "sense" of the word 'desire' in these verses is one of 'longing' - a natural yearning [of the heart].

It does not harmonize with the "sense" of 'control' - an intellectual intent [of the mind].
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I might have to agree to disagree, friend. The passage is talking about the lover taking hold of the beloved's breasts - using her body - possessing her. Were it not talking about betrothed, it might be accurate to call it lust. Feminists might call this "objectifying" a woman - with the idea that this is wrong, because people can't be owned unless slavery, which is also wrong (as in, possessed).

This description fits in with sin's desire to possess Cain - to control him (remember, are we slaves to sin without Christ? Sin owns us - possesses us - without Christ. This fits also). It also fits in with the argument about the desire in Genesis 3 of women to possess men. But rather than possessing their bodies (as is typical for men to 'desire' from women), the woman 'desires' control of the man - not his body, but his skill, talents, strength etc. - what he can do.
 
Lanolin

Lanolin

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law of moses was done away with, the veil was torn from top to bottom

So anyone who thinks they are like a Moses figure like they saw in the ten commnadments movie with Charles Heston playing him needs to think again

Jesus is a greater prophet than Moses.
 
Lanolin

Lanolin

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I recall that Miriam, Moses sister, had a stoush with Moses. Also his wife it was never said how she really felt about him.
 
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