Where are all the real men?
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I think it’s important for the ladies of this forum to speak up and say that we appreciate the times that the men here HAVE stood boldly as defenders of the faith, the Word, and the ladies and youth people of this forum, and to say that we DO see that many of you are seeking to grow to be the spiritual leaders in our churches and of its families that Christ has called you to be.
I think there are a lot of ladies here who appreciate this as much as I do. J And we KNOW God loves it too. J
I think there are a lot of ladies here who appreciate this as much as I do. J And we KNOW God loves it too. J
The real argument here is Postmodernism vs Christianity. We as Christians still believe that there is a certain formula and correct way to be a "man" or "woman". We believe in objective ideas.
Most people in the modern world believe in subjective ideas. If it makes sense to me then its correct. If I like it then its a good thing. I make my own definition of what a man or woman should be. We believe in the objectivity of the word of God. There is an objective right and wrong. They believe in themselves and in what the media tells them.
Yes exactly. And trust me its VERY hard to be unpopular in college and have very few friends because you choose certain principles over what 99% of other college students think. I can't wait for college to be over honestly. Just one more year. sighs.
Most people in the modern world believe in subjective ideas. If it makes sense to me then its correct. If I like it then its a good thing. I make my own definition of what a man or woman should be. We believe in the objectivity of the word of God. There is an objective right and wrong. They believe in themselves and in what the media tells them.
Originally Posted by Oncefallen
A real man doesn't compromise his values because they aren't popular.
A real man doesn't compromise his values because they aren't popular.
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I get what you're saying, although I think Oncefallen was just focusing on men on this thread.
But I agree with what you're saying, saying that only a man can imitate Jesus because of the fact that he came down to Earth as a man and not a woman is not biblical (I've seen this idea becoming popular with some pastors lately) . We are ALL supposed to be Christlike and embassadors of Christ, there is no room for being irresponsible here .
I agree with Oncefallen, to be honest it's disappointing to see fathers teaching their children to be irresponsible . I've seen fathers who dress their child like, let's be honest, criminals. When I lived in Mexico it was sad to see fathers proudly listening to'' narcocorridos'' (songs that talk about druglords and their ''accomplishments'') and lettin their kids listen to those songs, even proud that they knew the lyrics
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I admire the men who are willing to stand up and try to be what God called them to be, and men who teach their children God's way, not theirs. Thank you to all the men who do that! It's very refreshing to know that at least some of you are still willing to be a role model. Now we women need to do our part too.
But I agree with what you're saying, saying that only a man can imitate Jesus because of the fact that he came down to Earth as a man and not a woman is not biblical (I've seen this idea becoming popular with some pastors lately) . We are ALL supposed to be Christlike and embassadors of Christ, there is no room for being irresponsible here .
I agree with Oncefallen, to be honest it's disappointing to see fathers teaching their children to be irresponsible . I've seen fathers who dress their child like, let's be honest, criminals. When I lived in Mexico it was sad to see fathers proudly listening to'' narcocorridos'' (songs that talk about druglords and their ''accomplishments'') and lettin their kids listen to those songs, even proud that they knew the lyrics
. I admire the men who are willing to stand up and try to be what God called them to be, and men who teach their children God's way, not theirs. Thank you to all the men who do that! It's very refreshing to know that at least some of you are still willing to be a role model. Now we women need to do our part too.
Thank you for making my point, I specifically said that society has changed and I've found that those changes aren't good. I work in construction and see tons of young males (I find it difficult to call them young men) who enter the work force with a complete lack of maturity, no work ethic, and a sense of entitlement. They seem to think that because their parents made no demands on them, that their employer shouldn't either.
I intentionally stayed away from using work as an example in my original post, because what someone does for a living does NOT make them a man, however how they do their work says a lot about them as a man.
I intentionally stayed away from using work as an example in my original post, because what someone does for a living does NOT make them a man, however how they do their work says a lot about them as a man.
When I originally posted this thread last night I really hadn't finished sorting out the jumbled mess of thoughts in my brain. It can take me quite a while to get a days worth of thought unscrambled and placed into a cohesive statement. It seems that many of you filled in the gaps for me though.
Crossfire: I agree that the breakdown of the family is a contributing factor to boys failing mature into men. Many times here I've posted the statement that boys become men in the presence of men. Without a man to be a proper role model boys will have no idea what manhood is. Not only are absent fathers causing the problem, but fathers who fail to be a parent. Entirely too many men out there are so concerned with their personal quest for wealth or other things that they completely neglect their God ordained responsibility of being a father.
Stephanie and other ladies: I firmly believe that the extremists in the modern feminist movement have done a pretty good job of killing manhood. Unfortunately the roles of the genders have become blurred in the name of equal rights and equal opportunity. These extremists have done such a good job of demonizing masculinity in society that many boys grow up thinking that in some way masculine behavior is a bad thing.
Our more "progressive" school systems have for some time taught boys by example that their normal male behavior is wrong. These schools prohibit boys from wrestling, playing "cops and robbers", and other behaviors that come naturally to boys.
I firmly believe that if the men of God step up and start acting like MEN, Godly women will gladly submit to that leadership both in their churches and in their families.
Crossfire: I agree that the breakdown of the family is a contributing factor to boys failing mature into men. Many times here I've posted the statement that boys become men in the presence of men. Without a man to be a proper role model boys will have no idea what manhood is. Not only are absent fathers causing the problem, but fathers who fail to be a parent. Entirely too many men out there are so concerned with their personal quest for wealth or other things that they completely neglect their God ordained responsibility of being a father.
Stephanie and other ladies: I firmly believe that the extremists in the modern feminist movement have done a pretty good job of killing manhood. Unfortunately the roles of the genders have become blurred in the name of equal rights and equal opportunity. These extremists have done such a good job of demonizing masculinity in society that many boys grow up thinking that in some way masculine behavior is a bad thing.
Our more "progressive" school systems have for some time taught boys by example that their normal male behavior is wrong. These schools prohibit boys from wrestling, playing "cops and robbers", and other behaviors that come naturally to boys.
I firmly believe that if the men of God step up and start acting like MEN, Godly women will gladly submit to that leadership both in their churches and in their families.
J
I'd like to become a Man, properly. Unfortunately, I see that many of those who are of older generations, are not ones I should model myself upon, if I seek to be a Man, biblically.
So I stick with trying to model Jesus, and a series of Sermons from Paul Washer and Grace Community Church in San Antonio.
What a Man is Not by Paul Washer | illbehonest.com <--- Example
So I stick with trying to model Jesus, and a series of Sermons from Paul Washer and Grace Community Church in San Antonio.
What a Man is Not by Paul Washer | illbehonest.com <--- Example
What is a real man?Very good question, we can start with Jesus Christ, who is the epitome of real manhood, and an example to all, men, women and children, He came to earth as a lowly servant, was scorned, mocked and tortured for telling the truth, calling sinners to repent or perish, to deny self, pick up their cross, and follow Him, to stand fast, to abstain from all appearances of evil, to be holy as He is holy, to be perfect as His father in heaven is perfect, to obey Him if you love Him, and come out from the world and its vain attractions.
I could go on with many, many more commands Jesus proclaimed IN His short ministry, but you get the point I am trying to make.
A real man or woman doesn't blame God for his sins, by proclaiming he cannot stop His vile sins because he was born a poor sinner, or they believe Jesus took their place , and became their righteousness as the false teachers sells to the gullible masses(Billy Graham, Erwin Lutzez, Ed Young,) the list is endless, and those who think they are saved forever since they proclaimed a prayer years ago in their church, thus they are now covered because they confessed they were a sinner, and received Jesus into their heart, are not real men or women of God.
Jesus said the road is narrow, and few of the few will find it and be willing to count the cost of following Him the rest of their lives weather single or married.
Jesus said we must strive and agonize to enter into the kingdom, because many will try, and few will be able to!
A real follower of Christ has crucified his/her flesh once and for all in real repentance, see Gal 2-20 and 2 Corin 7-10-11, and now follows Jesus cleansed and purified in His heart and mind, putting to death the deeds of the body, cutting all known willful sin off at the roots, he then takes this message out to the lost masses and false churches, proclaiming truth at all cost, which will get him hated, mocked, kicked out of any false church for preaching the truth, and labeled a Pharisee, demon, and nut case!
few are willing to count the cost of denying self, and following Jesus on the narrow path, and this doesn't mean attending church a couple of times a week, doing some good deeds in the ministry, then living any way you please the rest of the time, indulging in the pleasures of the world, with no fire and urgency for the truth that has been long lost through the reformation that took the narrow way, and made it the broad way, and making men of God conform to many false teachings, perverting the purity of the message according to godliness handed down from the saints of old before the denominations got a hold of the gospel, and added in their not of obedience and faith, not of heart purity, and Jesus is their covering. Because if they had to obey from their heart, and this obedience to the commands of God determined their final salvation, then they would fall away, claim works, its not of works, when James clearly stated faith(obedience)without works was dead!
You could have a whole laundry list of good works, staying away from porn, drinking, fornication, adultery, etc, but still be defiled in your heart because you follow a lie that says you were born a sinner, with the sin disease and Jesus is the remedy,thus your abstaining from sin is just a good thing to do, but not mandatory for your final salvation.
A real man or woman will stand firm in the truth, not what is being taught today in most churches and ministries where you get saved in your sins, Jesus feels sorry for you, and declares you a poor helpless sinner saved by grace, and grace to most is a covering for willful deliberate sin, not teaching us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, as Titus 2-11 says.
Jesus came to be our example of what a real man is, He didn't come to be our substitute, but to be our strength, and to set us free once and for all from the bondage's of sin and worldliness!
Real men and women follow His example, calling all to repent and obey Him, not confess, and trust He did it all for you!
Few will find this message appealing, many will write it off and hearsay and worse.
I urge you all to dig deep into the word, and what the early church taught compared to today, and you will see real men and women of God lived a holy and separated life unto the Lord, in great persecution and hated by the religious for standing firm for the truth and living a holy, separate and a peculiar life pleasing to their creator, where obedience from the heart was a final factor in thier salvation!
Either you are one or the other, no such things as a sinning saint! A saint is walking in the present tense with Christ, being obedient, pure in heart and deed, and listening to His voice, then they follow Him on the narrow road. Luke 9-23. A real saint as described in the Bible has crucified his flesh with Christ, Galatians 2-20, once and for all, hence I have been crucified, and thus they now walk in newness of life, 2 Corinthians 5-17. Cleansed and purified of all willful sin, through a real repentance and faith. 2 Corinthians 7-10-11. They must remain diligent and faithful to the truth, obey from the heart, and keep themselves undefiled from the world and its false ways! 1 John 2-15-17.
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I could go on with many, many more commands Jesus proclaimed IN His short ministry, but you get the point I am trying to make.
A real man or woman doesn't blame God for his sins, by proclaiming he cannot stop His vile sins because he was born a poor sinner, or they believe Jesus took their place , and became their righteousness as the false teachers sells to the gullible masses(Billy Graham, Erwin Lutzez, Ed Young,) the list is endless, and those who think they are saved forever since they proclaimed a prayer years ago in their church, thus they are now covered because they confessed they were a sinner, and received Jesus into their heart, are not real men or women of God.
Jesus said the road is narrow, and few of the few will find it and be willing to count the cost of following Him the rest of their lives weather single or married.
Jesus said we must strive and agonize to enter into the kingdom, because many will try, and few will be able to!
A real follower of Christ has crucified his/her flesh once and for all in real repentance, see Gal 2-20 and 2 Corin 7-10-11, and now follows Jesus cleansed and purified in His heart and mind, putting to death the deeds of the body, cutting all known willful sin off at the roots, he then takes this message out to the lost masses and false churches, proclaiming truth at all cost, which will get him hated, mocked, kicked out of any false church for preaching the truth, and labeled a Pharisee, demon, and nut case!
few are willing to count the cost of denying self, and following Jesus on the narrow path, and this doesn't mean attending church a couple of times a week, doing some good deeds in the ministry, then living any way you please the rest of the time, indulging in the pleasures of the world, with no fire and urgency for the truth that has been long lost through the reformation that took the narrow way, and made it the broad way, and making men of God conform to many false teachings, perverting the purity of the message according to godliness handed down from the saints of old before the denominations got a hold of the gospel, and added in their not of obedience and faith, not of heart purity, and Jesus is their covering. Because if they had to obey from their heart, and this obedience to the commands of God determined their final salvation, then they would fall away, claim works, its not of works, when James clearly stated faith(obedience)without works was dead!
You could have a whole laundry list of good works, staying away from porn, drinking, fornication, adultery, etc, but still be defiled in your heart because you follow a lie that says you were born a sinner, with the sin disease and Jesus is the remedy,thus your abstaining from sin is just a good thing to do, but not mandatory for your final salvation.
A real man or woman will stand firm in the truth, not what is being taught today in most churches and ministries where you get saved in your sins, Jesus feels sorry for you, and declares you a poor helpless sinner saved by grace, and grace to most is a covering for willful deliberate sin, not teaching us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, as Titus 2-11 says.
Jesus came to be our example of what a real man is, He didn't come to be our substitute, but to be our strength, and to set us free once and for all from the bondage's of sin and worldliness!
Real men and women follow His example, calling all to repent and obey Him, not confess, and trust He did it all for you!
Few will find this message appealing, many will write it off and hearsay and worse.
I urge you all to dig deep into the word, and what the early church taught compared to today, and you will see real men and women of God lived a holy and separated life unto the Lord, in great persecution and hated by the religious for standing firm for the truth and living a holy, separate and a peculiar life pleasing to their creator, where obedience from the heart was a final factor in thier salvation!
A Saint or an aint?
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
Either you are one or the other, no such things as a sinning saint! A saint is walking in the present tense with Christ, being obedient, pure in heart and deed, and listening to His voice, then they follow Him on the narrow road. Luke 9-23. A real saint as described in the Bible has crucified his flesh with Christ, Galatians 2-20, once and for all, hence I have been crucified, and thus they now walk in newness of life, 2 Corinthians 5-17. Cleansed and purified of all willful sin, through a real repentance and faith. 2 Corinthians 7-10-11. They must remain diligent and faithful to the truth, obey from the heart, and keep themselves undefiled from the world and its false ways! 1 John 2-15-17.
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Seems like I may have been a little off in my interpretation of your OP. It just felt like you were saying that men should be less like women, and more like Christ, but only because Christ was a man. I thought you were focusing on the lack of masculinity, not on the lack of holiness and stength/leadership. Biblically, there is really no basis for masculinity being required from a man.
Focusing instead on men's sense of responsibility, I would agree with you 100%, it seems like far too many men have given up the biblical definition of a man in pursuit of... something else. I have been lucky enough to have some great male role models in my life, but I do see some of the same things that I believe you were talking about.
Focusing instead on men's sense of responsibility, I would agree with you 100%, it seems like far too many men have given up the biblical definition of a man in pursuit of... something else. I have been lucky enough to have some great male role models in my life, but I do see some of the same things that I believe you were talking about.
J
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Seeing as how the term sanctification deals with a progressive furthering of holiness and the core of what manliness is, is holiness, yes it is directly related to sanctification. Think of it this way, the perfect man was holy and we desire to become like him in which way? Being changed into his humanity? Of course not! Our goal is to be like him in Godliness which will progress us towards true manliness and that results in our sanctification process.
C
Thanks to everyone who '"liked' my post above despite all the typos I made. *lol* I made corrections above.
The cool thing is that I'm still in contact with many of those boys. I can call them up at any time and we can talk for hours. Several of the kids I mentored have recently finished seminary, are in seminary or are actively involved in ministry work. I am very humbled that the Lord could use me to effect the lives of others in a positive way, despite being so young in the Lord myself at the time.
The cool thing is that I'm still in contact with many of those boys. I can call them up at any time and we can talk for hours. Several of the kids I mentored have recently finished seminary, are in seminary or are actively involved in ministry work. I am very humbled that the Lord could use me to effect the lives of others in a positive way, despite being so young in the Lord myself at the time.
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