Question of certainty

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EM9642

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Hi! I'm pretty new here so idk if this is the right place to ask this, but how are people sure christianity and their denomination is the right one? Like everyone seems certain that they are correct. I just don't know how to navigate all the different opinions.
 

Miri

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Pretty much look what it says in the bible and compare it to what you are
being taught.

There was no denominations in the bible.
 
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EM9642

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Pretty much look what it says in the bible and compare it to what you are
being taught.

There was no denominations in the bible.
I mean my question is larger than that like how do you have so much certainty that the bible was correct. Or even what translation or version is correct?
 

maxwel

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I mean my question is larger than that like how do you have so much certainty that the bible was correct. Or even what translation or version is correct?
Your profile says you're unsure about Christianity.

What brings you to CC?
Do you have some specific questions?

Sounds like you probably have some very foundational questions about theism.
It's fine to go ahead and ask.

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tourist

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I mean my question is larger than that like how do you have so much certainty that the bible was correct. Or even what translation or version is correct?
In the bible it says that certain Jews were charged with ensuring the scriptures were accurately scribed and all the passages contained as being scripturally sound and accurately and precisely recorded as directed by the Holy Spirit.

God knew full well how the bible was going to be translated and what shape the major revisions were to take so as to be understood and applied in one's life.

My own test is too compare any revision with the first chapter in the book of John that describe the divinity of God. If the revision does not agree with the King James bible in this one regard then I don't believe that it is a bible that should be read and studied as it is obviously skewed and biased towards the view and perception of those that compiled it and is not faithful the original manuscripts that they derived from.
 
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EM9642

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Your profile says you're unsure about Christianity.

What brings you to CC?
Do you have some specific questions?

Sounds like you probably have some very foundational questions about theism.
It's fine to go ahead and ask.

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Yeah I guess I do. I was raised Catholic but have been agnostic atheist for some time now. I am now trying to actual search for some faith. I want to believe I just have a lot of questions about it.
 

maxwel

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That's a little something to get your started.

There's plenty of evidence for God's existence: philosophical evidence, scientific evidence, historical evidence, prophetic evidence... but evidence can't help the people who don't want it.

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EM9642

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Well in response to the first video, no physicist worth his salt would say the universe is not ever expanding and there is no beginning. That is kind of straw manning their argument. But, even taking the premise that God does exist my question is how are you sure which God is the "right" God. That was my original question. And I do want it. I really hate being dismissed like that. I am trained as a scientist which means I just question most things. I will watch the third video tonight.
 

maxwel

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Well in response to the first video, no physicist worth his salt would say the universe is not ever expanding and there is no beginning. That is kind of straw manning their argument. But, even taking the premise that God does exist my question is how are you sure which God is the "right" God. That was my original question. And I do want it. I really hate being dismissed like that. I am trained as a scientist which means I just question most things. I will watch the third video tonight.
Philosophically, there are logical progressions through these questions.

The first 4 videos I posted are very short, popular-level versions, of very lengthy philosophical arguments.

If you want to dig into these things, there's no shortage of information.

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VincentG

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Hi! I'm pretty new here so idk if this is the right place to ask this, but how are people sure christianity and their denomination is the right one? Like everyone seems certain that they are correct. I just don't know how to navigate all the different opinions.
reading the Holy Bible answers that. ;)
 

VincentG

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I mean my question is larger than that like how do you have so much certainty that the bible was correct. Or even what translation or version is correct?
The bible is correct because it was/is inspired by the Holy Spirit...by having faith in that you have taken the first step..secound would be to believe the bible and what you have read God will not send any false documents your way...confusion is from the devil.
 

kaylagrl

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Well in response to the first video, no physicist worth his salt would say the universe is not ever expanding and there is no beginning. That is kind of straw manning their argument. But, even taking the premise that God does exist my question is how are you sure which God is the "right" God. That was my original question. And I do want it. I really hate being dismissed like that. I am trained as a scientist which means I just question most things. I will watch the third video tonight.

Well, if you believe the Bible then Jesus died for your sin. I know of no other god willing to give up their life for me. No other god can measure up to that kind of self sacrifice.
 

Demi777

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The right denomination : born again Christian
all denminations have things where they are wrong as all somewhere idolatise something. Just go by the bible. Heck im more charismatic and go to a baptist church lol In God there is no denomination
 

Subhumanoidal

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Hi! I'm pretty new here so idk if this is the right place to ask this, but how are people sure christianity and their denomination is the right one? Like everyone seems certain that they are correct. I just don't know how to navigate all the different opinions.
I believe the difficulty in trying to prove things to another is that we all have different requirements for what we need to be convinced.
Two believers could talk about what convinced them and have two completely separate reasons.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Hi! I'm pretty new here so idk if this is the right place to ask this, but how are people sure christianity and their denomination is the right one? Like everyone seems certain that they are correct. I just don't know how to navigate all the different opinions.

No man made denomination is going to be perfect... but Gods word is...

I think the best way to start is to dive deep into His word (I personally suggest a KJV since that is what I use mainly, then going to strongs for words that you would like help with)
but with whatever translation you choose, it is always best to first pray from your heart to God to reveal to you what it is He wants you to see...

I've met many brothers and sisters from different denominations who would argue over many things, but I still see them as fellow believers so long as we all accept Jesus as our only hope and we trust and believe in Him as we try to be useful members to the body we are now a part of.


(then after you have a strong foundation in Him, it is good to seek a sound congregation for fellowship)
 

breno785au

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Yeah I guess I do. I was raised Catholic but have been agnostic atheist for some time now. I am now trying to actual search for some faith. I want to believe I just have a lot of questions about it.
The most important thing you can do is simply ask God if He is real. Ask Him to reveal Himself to you. It may or may not happen straight away but keep searching. Gaining knowledge is not a bad thing but at the end of it, it's a revelation.
 

PennEd

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Well in response to the first video, no physicist worth his salt would say the universe is not ever expanding and there is no beginning. That is kind of straw manning their argument. But, even taking the premise that God does exist my question is how are you sure which God is the "right" God. That was my original question. And I do want it. I really hate being dismissed like that. I am trained as a scientist which means I just question most things. I will watch the third video tonight.
Every single Religion on planet Earth boils down to man attempting to somehow earn, or work, or be a good enough person to attain Salvation, except true Christianity based on the Bible. Really think about that statement.

True Christianity says that you can NEVER work, or be good enough, to get to Heaven. That is why God had to become human flesh in the form of His Son Jesus Christ. HE had to die to pay for the sin debt we simply CAN'T pay for. And He rose from the that death 3 days later, proving that those that are in Him will rise to eternal life as well.

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, died for YOUR sin, and believe in YOUR heart that He was raised to life on the 3rd day, YOU WILL BE SAVED.
 

Zaphk1

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I enjoy these questions, as it lets me exercise the spiritual and intellectual mind and prepare me for questions when non-Christians ask me at work.

The two questions I’ll address are: 1) How can we trust the translations? (drawn from post - “I mean my question is larger than that like how do you have so much certainty that the bible was correct. Or even what translation or version is correct?”)

And 2) Why are there so many denominations? And do they matter (drawn from post – “but how are people sure christianity and their denomination is the right one? Like everyone seems certain that they are correct. I just don't know how to navigate all the different opinions.”)



  • How can we trust the translations?
There are three accepted approaches to translating a text from its foreign language into a different language, which are

  • Word-for-word
  • Meaning-for-meaning
  • Paraphrase
Each has a different philosophy of translation and has a good application for the type of study or reading that you may prefer. It is the same challenge that every translator of print or language on to present the best translation to the listener or reader.

Word-for-word translation such as ESV/KJV will try to translate the original word into the most appropriate English word in its context and meaning. It is very good for study and when you want to meditate on the words and its meaning.

Meaning-for-meaning such as the NIV will try to translate the meaning of the sentences (noting that there’s no punctuation in the Greek/Hebrew) in to the modern English meaning. They are good for everyday reading or when going through large bodies of text.

Paraphrase translations such as the NLT will try to translate the whole sections into modern English, they may add words not present in its original form but the words are added to assist with the modern translation. They are good for new converts or those who struggle to read (like myself).

For example, Rom 3:25 (the red is my own emphasis)

ESV

whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.”

NIV

God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—

NLT

For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past,



Notice the different types of words used to describe Jesus act of sacrifice – propitiation/sacrifice of atonement/sacrifice for sin, and also how the translators capture the effect of it on sin – passed over former sin/left sins unpunished/did not punish previous sin.
The ESV translator has used 'propitiation' to emphasise how Jesus' sacrifice restores relationship between God and Man. The NIV and NLT used sacrifice for sin/atonement which is similiar to the Levitical sacrifices for sin with a hint that Jesus was our perfect sacrifice. Both are correct yet different however this is the challenge of translating any text into a different language because the new language doesn't quite fit the old one.

In spirit they try to convey the same message but different translators understand the text differently and will have some bias though it will not drastically diverge from the original text. This brings me to the fourth approach to translation – Corruption, which are texts driven by other religions such as JW or Mormonism to purposely change the Christian doctrine by adding or subtracting words from the original text and to effectively change its meaning.

Perhaps the best way to understand your translation is to go through the Forward or translators notes in the beginning of the Bible (usually present in big study Bibles) and understand the translator’s approach to their work.



I’ll post my response to Q. 2 in the morning, after some reflection.