Will I ever get a good wife of Christ?

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Zdenek

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Magenta said:
Of course Peter was speaking to Christians and Jews. He starts by saying: "Men of Israel."
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But he was specifically referring to the Jews in that verse. From what the Bible has taught me, none of his disciples (except for the traitor Judas, which was not his disciple after all) were actively involved in His death.
 
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Zdenek said:
Don't you realize that Jews behaved like Satan when they were tempting the Romans?
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Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ?
This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son.
Zdenek said:
But he was specifically referring to the Jews in that verse. From what the Bible has taught me, none of his
disciples (except for the traitor Judas, which was not his disciple after all) were actively involved in His death.
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Peter also tried to interfere with Jesus' stated purpose. Jesus called him Satan.

The unbelieving world is responsible for the death of Christ, even
as it was God's plan from before the foundation of the world.

Jesus laid down His life willingly.


Romans 5:8
 
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Alright, if you sometime happen to find a Bible verse where Jesus calls Romans (or anybody else) "children of the devil" tell me about it.

John 8:39-49

I was not denying the fact that Romans did sin and were unsaved. I was explaining why Jews were the worst offenders.
 
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Zdenek said:
Honestly, what would you have expected from a believer whose Saviour was persecuted and killed by the Jews?
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More like we wonder how you can follow a Jewish Messiah if you hate Jews. Jesus, all of the apostles, and the first believers were Jews. And most of the Bible was written by Jews (Luke is the only non-Jew I can think of off the top of my head that wrote any of the Bible). And yeah there is a long history of Christian discrimination against the Jews and Hitler enjoyed wide support among the churches especially during his early rise to power so I can see why some would make the claim that the church was complicit in the holocaust.

If logic doesn't convince you, then read Romans 9-11 and explain how a person who claimst to follow a Bible that contains those chapters can theologically justify his hatred of Jews.

(And about that whole good wife of Christ thing; hate, bigotry, and bitterness are super huge turnoffs to kind and loving Christian ladies. Such attitudes will definitely hurt your chances)
 
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Zdenek said:
Alright, if you sometime happen to find a Bible verse where Jesus calls Romans (or anybody else) "children of the devil" tell me about it.

John 8:39-49

I was not denying the fact that Romans did sin and were unsaved. I was explaining why Jews were the worst offenders.
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The Bible identifies all who deny Jesus as anti-Christs. And Jesus does tell Pilate that his sin was not as great as those who delivered Him up. But that does not absolve the unbelieving world, nor the Romans who carried out the act, does it? Their fate has been made known.
 
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seoulsearch said:
Do you consider yourself to be anti-Semitic?
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Zdenek said:
Rather, anti-Jewish.
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Do you consider this "anti-Jewish" stance to be hatred?

Zdenek said:
I mean, I have nothing against them really, but I doubt they would ever accept me considering
the amount of hate against Catholics that is prevalent in most of the Protestant circles.
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This is why I ask...

Because opposing Catholic doctrine and dogmas is often called hatred by those who promote Catholic heresies.
 
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Magenta said:
The Bible identifies all who deny Jesus as anti-Christs. And Jesus does tell Pilate that his sin was not as great as those who delivered Him up. But that does not absolve the unbelieving world, nor the Romans who carried out the act, does it? Their fate has been made known.
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They are not absolved, of course.

But this doesn't remove that Jews have done worse, much worse things. And worse, they still are doing such things.

Rome at least converted to Christianity eventually, and evangelized Europe (which later evangelized the world). What accomplishments have done the Jews for Jesus so far? Drinking the blood of Christian children?
 
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Zdenek said:
They are not absolved, of course.

But this doesn't remove that Jews have done worse, much worse things. And worse, they still are doing such things.

Rome at least converted to Christianity later, and evangelized Europe (which later evangelized the world).
What accomplishments have done the Jews for Jesus so far? Drinking the blood of Christian children?
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Has the whole world been Christianized then? I missed it :oops:

Rome. Oh boy. Roman Catholicism again.
 
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WOW...this kinda blew up in a direction I wasn't expecting.
 
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Zdenek said:
Yes. And there's nothing wrong with hating the ones who hate Jesus, there is?
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Yes.
While we were still enemies of Christ he still loved us and gave his life up for us.
 
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Zdenek said:
Do you remember the cleansing of the Temple?
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I was not there, but I am familiar with the story. And?

Jesus fulfilled hundreds of prophesies concerning Him.

Jesus’ disciples remembered the prophetic words of
Psalm 69:10: “Zeal for your house will consume me.”
 
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Magenta said:
I was not there, but I am familiar with the story. And?
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Is this what do you understand as "loving" your enemy?

Are you sure the "love" Jesus mentioned is the "love" you understand?
 
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Zdenek said:
Is this what do you understand as "loving" your enemy?

Are you sure the "love" Jesus mentioned is the "love" you understand?
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How do you understand love?

Counted among Jesus' dying words was requesting forgiveness of those who killed Him.

That would by necessity include the Romans.
 
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Zdenek said:
I have heard some doubts and complaints about them that I would prefer to study deeper.

But anyway, I will never love the Jews who are destroying the world (and yes, they are Jews!).
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No doubt you have heard complaints of Christians also?

Ah, yes, you even have your own!

Adam's sin is the cause of the fall of the humanity and the corruption of all creation.

Why single out the Jews among unbelievers?
 
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