Basic income-666 Mark is Here. Catchy title right?!

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djness

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I don't really think this is conspiracy but didn't know where else to put this. Could be though although it's not conspiracy in that this is a real thing I think everyone should be aware of. So I know christians over the years have always been calling out random items as the inevitable mark but for me I think I have come to the conclusion what it will be associated with and that is Universal Basic Income. I came to learn about UBI just within the last two years but there have been UBI projects running for the last 30 or 40 years.

UBI by definition is, from the wikipedia.: A basic income (also called unconditional basic income, Citizen's Income, basic income guarantee, universal basic income or universal demogrant is a form of social security in which all citizens or residents of a country regularly receive an unconditional sum of money, either from a government or some other public institution, in addition to any income received from elsewhere.

There is a website called BIEN | Basic Income Earth Network which details all you could really want to know about UBI. It is described in this way: is a network of academics and activists interested in the idea of a universal basic income based solely on citizenship and not on work requirement or charity. It serves as a link between individuals and groups committed to or interested in basic income, and fosters informed discussion on this topic throughout the world. Their website defines a basic income as "an income unconditionally granted to all on an individual basis, without means test or work requirement.

Several countries have run trials and even referendums on it. Switzerland voted it down with a 76% majority that would have given an amount equal to 2500$ USD a month. The amount paid out by other countries varies from several cents a day or dollars depending on what averages are.

I just saw this article today on Business Insider.
Within the last couple years, basic income -- a scheme in which citizens receive regular payments to cover basic living costs -- has touched nearly all corners of the world.Experiments from Kenya to the Netherlands to California are poised to reveal in 2017 what happens when governments and private organizations give people money for nothing: Do people work less? Do they escape poverty? How many sit and do nothing?

Kenya:In October of 2016, GiveDirectly, a charity best known for its cash transfer programs, launched a pilot version of what will become the largest basic income experiment in history.Beginning early 2017, 40 villages will receive roughly $22.50 per month for 12 years. Meanwhile, 80 villages will get the same amount for just two years, another 80 will get a lump sum equal to the two-year amount and 100 villages will get no money.It'll produce some of the most comprehensive basic income data yet.

Finland:A two-year experiment launched on New Year's Day in Finland.Kela, the country's federal economic agency, is giving 2,000 unemployed citizens about $600 a month.The goal will be twofold: to measure how basic income could provide new structure for social security and to see how people's productivity levels change when they receive the guaranteed stipend.

Oakland, California:Silicon Valley's largest startup accelerator, Y Combinator, announced in mid-2016 it would soon begin paying out monthly salaries between $1,000 and $2,000 a month to 100 families in Oakland.In the true spirit of basic income, the families range in socioeconomic status and come with no requirement to stay in the U.S.If the pilot is a success, a five-year trial will follow.

The Netherlands:Tentatively slated for early 2017, the basic income experiment in Utrecht will last for two years and involve 250 Dutch citizens on government assistance receiving about $1,100 per month.There are six groups each receiving varying amounts paid out according to different work requirements.One group, for example, gets an extra $161 at the month's end if they do volunteer work. Another gets the money up front but must give it back if they don't volunteer.

Ontario Canada:Slated for spring of 2017, the Ontario basic income experiment has set aside roughly $19 million to replicate the 1970s experiment in Manitoba, known as the Mincome Experiment.Ontario Works, the jobs department of the provincial government, is asking for the public to weigh in on an online survey.The survey includes projected payment amounts, provisions and general questions about interest in basic income.

India:India's government is moving closer to launching a follow-up basic income experiment to the two 2010 experiments in the state of Madhya Pradesh, in which more than 6,000 people received small monthly payments for 18 months.In October 2016, India's highest-ranking economist announced basic income will play a major role in the next Economic Survey, an annual document presented to parliament in January.Professor Guy Standing, co-founder of the Basic Income Earth Network, has expressed optimism that basic income will take hold soon in the second-most-populous country.

Italy:Filippo Nogarin, mayor of the Italian city Livorno, began giving 100 people in his coastal city of 150,000 a monthly income of $537. In 2017, he's expanding it to 100 more.The pilot will be small in scope, lasting just six months, but Nogarin has said the system helps people get back on their feet without the state presuming to know what's best for people.Following the mayor's lead, other Italian towns such as Ragusa and Naples are considering pilots of their own.

Uganda:Starting this year, the nonprofit Eight will begin handing out a weekly basic income of $8.60 (eight euros, as per the organization's name) to 50 households in a village in the Fort Portal region of Uganda.The trial will last for two years and be the subject of a related documentary called "Village One," Kate McFarland of BIEN reports.


So those are just a few of the places covered in this report. Now I am not great at writing so to be brief I see this as something that will eventually tie into the beast system and the buying and selling verse. With this inevitable system there will be a massive amount of goverment control in our lives as all will be subject due to their receiving of benefits. I do not see that this is a system people could opt out of as most articles I have seen say even people like Bill Gates would be getting money although about 13,000 a year from some articles.

In some ways it could be cheaper than our current system according to Forbes:The UBI is to be financed by getting rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, Supplemental Security Income, housing subsidies, welfare for single women and every other kind of welfare and social-services program, as well as agricultural subsidies and corporate welfare. As of 2014, the annual cost of a UBI would have been about $200 billion cheaper than the current system. By 2020, it would be nearly a trillion dollars cheaper.

More info to come!

 

Ahwatukee

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Hello djness,

regarding the coming mark, the technology is already here, as well as the electronic crediting and debiting system that the mark will run on and which people use every day when they swipe their cards or cell phone bank apps. That device in the link below is the technology for the mark and will most likely evolve into something smaller, but this is the technology for it. The link below is from a BBC Newscast from Jan 2015.

Swedish office staff offered implants to access facilities - BBC News
 

Blain

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Money is going to go digital eventually, right now we have ss and credit cards with bar codes and such and some would say that because of this we already have the mark but i beg to differ, the chip is what I am concerned about. the one world order one world religion and one world currency is all intertwined and the chip has already been introduced and even tested to buy and sell things and interestingly enough it goes on your right hand or your forehead it will be used to buy and sell eventually or at least that is what they are going for.

but other uses have been found with the chip as well it has been found to be able to hold any and all info about a person and is deeply intertwined with their dna making it able to even check your great ancestors from years ago and it also has been used on some mice to alter their dna under the guise of finding cures.

of course right now it's not something people are concerned with because it seems so far off from happening but all i can say is beware the chip
 

JosephsDreams

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I have been hoarding paper money for that reason. And gold and gems. I hate the idea of electronic money.
 

Blain

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I have been hoarding paper money for that reason. And gold and gems. I hate the idea of electronic money.
Well none of that will do you any good once money goes digital they won't accept such things as currency anymore and even if you could somehow turn it into digital dollars you still would have to take the chip
 

T_Laurich

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I have been hoarding paper money for that reason. And gold and gems. I hate the idea of electronic money.
paper money is fiat... Don't save it.... Try taking a confederate dollar to a bank or your local store... Even though people will pay thousands for it if the want it, it cannot buy anything for you. The only value it has is sentimental value... If we crash or the dollar is outdated by electronics: the american dollar will have no sentimental value, and even less monetary value.

Gold is also a bad thing to buy, the reason it is going so high is the "rich" are selling off all their gold to the main public, the public has been sold a lie that Gold is bullet proof, this is not true... Gold has a fixed currency and if you bought Gold at 1200 per oz then you are overpaying.

In 1930 price of gold was at exact 20.67 an oz. Inflation has gone up 1,843% This sets gold too around $400 dollars an oz...
Basically, all the gold everyone is buying is costing them 3x of what it is worth. In other words, people who have owned gold are now selling it as a profit... This profit is coming from the public belief that gold is depression resistant... This was true when our currency was set to the oz of gold, but now that we have fiat currency gold is the value that people are willing to pay... Back in the day if you bought an oz of gold it was 20.67 no matter the year, and if everything went south you still had that 20.67 in gold...

In short, Gold is a scam if you are buying it... If you are selling it you are making bank!



Gems are only worth money to wealthy societies, for instance, Venezuela was the biggest consumer of gems in South America until they crashed, now they buy almost no gems...
You might think "well if america crashes I will sell to England, China, Russia, S. Korea, etc...." This does not work, as once your country crashes it will cost you more to ship the gems than what they are worth....




If you want to be future proof there are 4 resources that will make sure you are never poor.

1. Water, you can buy and sell clean water for a fortune if an economy collapses...
2. Fuel/Gas, everything needs fuel and gas, the it is the first item to hike in a collapse, and you can sell it at a 10% less than the going rate you will make a fortune... (You buy it at $2 a gallon and when the economy collapses you sell it at $50 a gallon).
3. Food, everyone has to eat, and when an economy collapses there is not enough incentive to produce food, so food goes local... If you have the means to produce food or currently own stocked food, you can make bank....
4. Power/Electricity... If you have solar panels, generators, turbines, etc. and can produce power at a sustainable rate, you can charge a fortune... Everyone needs power no matter how poor the country.
 
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T_Laurich

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Want proof that those 4 items are depression resistant?
Research executive order 13603

Yes the items I listed are depression resistant, but that means you will have to fight the Govt. to keep these items...

The reason they listed these 4 items and only these 4, is because these 4 items are the only items that can 100% insure that the govt. will still be in place and in control during a dire situation.
In the same these 4 items will insure you stay in place and in control....
They wont come for your money and gold, they will come for these 4 items.
 
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T_Laurich

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I forgot one resource, drugs.... Drugs.... Medical drugs will be worth more than gold, food, or water.... Majority of the U.S. is life dependent on drugs. A surprising amount is mentally dependent of drugs... If they don't have those drugs they will sell you their child for them....
 
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like......... BITCOINS?
And no need to convince anybody. They already have hand scanners at WalMart. :)
I have seen commercials for the chip on tv about five times.
 
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T_Laurich

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like......... BITCOINS?
And no need to convince anybody. They already have hand scanners at WalMart. :)
I have seen commercials for the chip on tv about five times.
They put the chips in disabled and mentally retarded people already.

Hear about Amazons new stores? I am not sold on the idea of a chip since we have bio-metric scanning already.... But it does make a lot of sense... The only thing is, they are going to have to make it really convenient like implement a hyper reality with it so you can see and manipulate holograms... Or, make it work more quickly than the rfid's that are already in place in our credit cards...

Just having a chip is not enough incentive... It has to grant the ability to use absolutely everything, like a password that is always with you... So when you go to your friends house, you put your hand on the screen, it scans it and downloads all the files from your computer, allowing you to access your computer anywhere, but it is secure since only you can access it with your chip....

Same with your phone, instead of using your finger print which doesn't always work... You just grab your phone and BAM! It is unlocked because the password is in your hand...


But then again it also says forehead.... I think forehead is for those power countries which do not fully utilize the modern technology in their societies... But the govt.'s will use them as a test bed to prove the concept of idea... I think the forehead will be the first wave, and the hand will be the second.
 

Ahwatukee

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Just having a chip is not enough incentive


It will be if the other methods of buying and selling are made obsolete by the antichrist, so that the device on the hand or forehead is the only way to electronically credit and debit an individual's bank account. Remember, scripture states that "without that mark, no one will be able to buy or sell. In perspective for today, buying and selling is crediting and debiting. The device/mark is going to replace card swiping and cell phone bank apps and whatever other devices people are using. The mark on the forehead could be where it will be implanted for those without arms or it could be a greater demonstration of worship.
 
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Get real. Basic income is about being a real human family.
The wealth of production we have today is phenomenal.

It makes sense to start to accept we choose our lives and work towards
a set of goals that reflect our personalities, strengths and weaknesses.

This is how you truly love people. Why this idea has to be made an evil
thing, or identifying who you are is also evil is crazy. Identification is the
foundation of justice and truth, distinguishing the guilty from the innocent.

The mark of the beast is about loyalty to an authority, giving yourself over
to evil and all that represents, which is totally a different idea.

Implants for identification are also stupid. Having something under the skin does
not make it more or less secure than a chip and pin system, it is the same idea
just with a needle that puts it inside the body. The problem is when it goes wrong,
gets old, needs changing. People can fake it just as easily as chip and pin, so in
reality it just adds another cost on top of the same technology.

Iris scanning is now taking off, which appears to be working very well.
This solves all the problems of needing to do something to people and appears to be
a good system to simply compare a known person to their eyes.
 
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I believe that during the rule of the ten horn kingdom it will be a velvet socialism type system,America and Russia,mixed,the best of both systems,and could be a redistribution of wealth,which the giving of this money as a basic income thing,could cause a lot of people to follow the beast kingdom,for it would appeal to them for their needs are for sure met.

The Hegel system.

Thesis-America.
Anti-thesis-Russia.
Synthesis-back to the first but in a higher form,the ten horn kingdom,velvet socialism,redistribution of wealth.
The beast kingdom-all governments collapse,all religions collapse,no belief in personal God,system of the occult,nature worship,harnessing the power of nature,believing in the God of forces,or the evolutionary process,about spiritual evolution.

Right wing,and left wing,is also a Hegel principle.

The mark of the beast will be something put under the skin,linked to satellite,being able to track all people's location on earth,for that is the beast's agenda,that there is no personal God to help mankind,but their technology and devices,can help mankind,for if a crime happens they will know who was in the location,and will be able to find lost people,whatever is put under the skin will have all information about them,finances,for no person can buy or sell without it,all on computer with a picture of them.

If their needs are met,and crime will be reduced for people will be found out if they commit a crime,and if they get rid of the thing under the skin,they cannot buy or sell,and the man of sin promoting the new age movement,and the God of forces,no personal God,influencing a lot of people,prior to him claiming to be God by harnessing the power of nature,a lot of people will end up following the beast kingdom.

I believe the mark with be a microchip.
 

SCHISM

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What happened to the belief that we wrestle against spiritual things?

If we believe that the beast system isn't already in place because we haven't seen the prophecy manifested physically, that is in a microchip or whatever you think has to come, then do we deceive ourselves?

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

So the Son of God came to earth to redeem the souls of everyone that would believe in him, and soon thereafter there were many antichrists, but Satan is going to wait for 20 centuries before he tries to cut off the Messiah???

Well, that's awfully nice of him.
 

SCHISM

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Chickenpox, before routine immunization the number of cases occurring each year was similar to the number of people born. Revelation 16:2??
 

Blain

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Get real. Basic income is about being a real human family.
The wealth of production we have today is phenomenal.

It makes sense to start to accept we choose our lives and work towards
a set of goals that reflect our personalities, strengths and weaknesses.

This is how you truly love people. Why this idea has to be made an evil
thing, or identifying who you are is also evil is crazy. Identification is the
foundation of justice and truth, distinguishing the guilty from the innocent.

The mark of the beast is about loyalty to an authority, giving yourself over
to evil and all that represents, which is totally a different idea.

Implants for identification are also stupid. Having something under the skin does
not make it more or less secure than a chip and pin system, it is the same idea
just with a needle that puts it inside the body. The problem is when it goes wrong,
gets old, needs changing. People can fake it just as easily as chip and pin, so in
reality it just adds another cost on top of the same technology.

Iris scanning is now taking off, which appears to be working very well.
This solves all the problems of needing to do something to people and appears to be
a good system to simply compare a known person to their eyes.
The wealth of production is phenomenal? is that why 57% of americans are on well fare and food stamps? As for the chip it may or may not be the mark however I have seen evidence it very well could be, I mean you buy and sell with it and in obama care it's mandatory or else you go to jail it also gives off a signal so that they know exactly where you are and it goes on the right hand or the forehead, it's only in the experiment with the public phase right now but it sounds oddly familiar to the mark of the best
 

tanakh

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The mark of the Beast is on the forehead or hand not in them. Microchips would have to be implanted. The only way the mark would match the Bible description would be as a tattoo. Tattoos were once only popular with Sailors and Fairground ladies. They are now very popular with all sorts of people. I wonder whether this popularity is connected with the 666 mark
 
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The mark of the Beast is on the forehead or hand not in them. Microchips would have to be implanted. The only way the mark would match the Bible description would be as a tattoo. Tattoos were once only popular with Sailors and Fairground ladies. They are now very popular with all sorts of people. I wonder whether this popularity is connected with the 666 mark
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind,but people's technology and devices can cut down on crime,and provide a more peaceful world.

Whatever is the mark of the beast has to be able to be linked to satellite,and keep track of all people that took the mark,like GPS.

Mark of the beast used to keep track of all people,cut down on crime,one world economic system,allegiance to the beast and his agenda,store all information about them,used for identification of the person,which comes up on computer with a picture of them.

Can a tattoo provide these circumstances that they can be picked up by satellite,all information about them on the tattoo,identify the person.

The more logical choice would be the microchip that holds information,including a financial record.

If a crime happens in an area they will know who was in the area and the exact location of them,which will reduce crime for people will be afraid to commit a crime for they will be found out,and if they try to get rid of the mark they cannot buy food,and their basic needs,and they can find lost people.

They already use a chip for animals although it is radio frequency.

I do not believe a tattoo can provide the circumstances of what the mark of the beast is about,and that is more in tune with technology to keep track of everybody on earth,and all information about them,financial record,and to cut down on crime,which the microchip linked to satellite,that can store information,can provide.
 

tanakh

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Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind,but people's technology and devices can cut down on crime,and provide a more peaceful world.

Whatever is the mark of the beast has to be able to be linked to satellite,and keep track of all people that took the mark,like GPS.

Mark of the beast used to keep track of all people,cut down on crime,one world economic system,allegiance to the beast and his agenda,store all information about them,used for identification of the person,which comes up on computer with a picture of them.

Can a tattoo provide these circumstances that they can be picked up by satellite,all information about them on the tattoo,identify the person.

The more logical choice would be the microchip that holds information,including a financial record.

If a crime happens in an area they will know who was in the area and the exact location of them,which will reduce crime for people will be afraid to commit a crime for they will be found out,and if they try to get rid of the mark they cannot buy food,and their basic needs,and they can find lost people.

They already use a chip for animals although it is radio frequency.

I do not believe a tattoo can provide the circumstances of what the mark of the beast is about,and that is more in tune with technology to keep track of everybody on earth,and all information about them,financial record,and to cut down on crime,which the microchip linked to satellite,that can store information,can provide.
You could be right but its all speculation. One question I have about it is would all our technology still work if the world is in such a mess as described in Revelation? In the Bible the forehead is a symbol of the mind and the hand works. The mark appears to be a parody of the seal placed on the forehead of the righteous.
 

Sheepman

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The mark of the Beast is on the forehead or hand not in them. Microchips would have to be implanted. The only way the mark would match the Bible description would be as a tattoo. Tattoos were once only popular with Sailors and Fairground ladies. They are now very popular with all sorts of people. I wonder whether this popularity is connected with the 666 mark

Yes.
Maybe Darpa think so


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