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Jackson123

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You do realize the amount of people who died in 9/11 is about equal to the amount that die weekly in automobile accidents right? The only reason people still care is through manipulation in the media.
The amount of people died in 911 is about 3000 then it justify war in Afghanistan

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Civilians Killed and Wounded


The ongoing conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan have taken a tremendous toll on the people of those countries. At the very least, 174,000 civilians have been determined to have died violent deaths as a result of the war as of April 2014. The actual number of deaths, direct and indirect, as a result of the wars are many times higher than this figure.

THEN justify Iraq war

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A 2013 study published in the peer-reviewed journal PLoS One Medicine, “Mortality in Iraq Associated with the 2003–2011 War and Occupation,” estimates that the war and occupation caused about 460,000 deaths. Using surveys and other data, the authors find the “wartime crude death rate in Iraq to be 4.55 per 1,000, more than 50% higher than the death rate of 2.89 during the two-year period preceding the war.” However, these estimates carry significant - See more at: U.S. military casualties and the costs of war: Iraq, Afghanistan and post-9/11 conflicts Journalist's Resource: Research for Reporting, from Harvard Shorenstein Center

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Brother if you mention about Media manipulation this is the manipulation.

Why building no 7 collapse?

Why twin tower steel melt?

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Most steel has other metals added to tune its properties, like strength, corrosion resistance, or ease of fabrication. Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F).

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How hot is the jet fuel can produce?

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Some interesting information..

-1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
-1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
-825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)

Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.
The fires in the towers were diffuse -- well below 800ºC.
Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved -- particularly in the South Tower.


Maximum jet fuel burn temperature is 825 Celsius.

Temperature needed to melt structural steel is 1510 Celsius.

Compare this.

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the fact that media said twin tower melt cause by jet fuel is manipulation.




 
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This should give you perspective.. This is the Madrid skyscraper on fire.

Madrid 3.jpg Madrid.jpg

This is what it looked like afterward...

Madrid 2.jpg


This is tower 7 on fire

tower 7 on fire.jpg

Here is what it looked like afterward...

Tower 7 done.jpg


More images..
 

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What I can't figure out.. is why in the world would anyone with any intelligence at all argue with this? does it help you sleep at night?
 
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Do we need side by side before and afters?

Before:

Madrid
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Tower 7
tower 7 on fire.jpg

After:

Madrid
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Tower 7
Tower 7 done.jpg Tower 7 done.jpg Tower 7 done.jpg
 
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conspiracy theorists simply don't care about the truth...

And yet in the very face of obvious and irrefutable evidence you and Tintin still cling to the obvious lie, that tower 7 burned with a small fire and collapsed into a heap in on itself... I give kudos to Nautilus, at least he appears to acknowledge that evidence matters...

Rachel you can look up any statistic you want but at the end of the day you have to look at the building in question.. It's painfully obvious..
 
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HowStuffWorks "How Building Implosions Work"

"when you need to bring down a massive structure, say a 20-story skyscraper, you have to haul out the big guns. Explosive demolition is the preferred method for safely and efficiently demolishing larger structures. When a building is surrounded by other buildings, it may be necessary to "implode" the building, that is, make it collapse down into its footprint."

"In this article, we'll find out how demolition crews plan and execute these spectacular implosions. The violent blasts and billowing dust clouds may look chaotic, but a building implosion is actually one of the most precisely planned, delicately balanced engineering feats you'll ever see.
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one of these is a 20 story building demolished in Salt lake city.

ONE OF THESE IS TOWER 7!! you decide which is which...

church rubble..jpg

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SO, take your time (though a kindergartener would get this right)

Match image A to image B or C



A: WTC 7

Tower 7 done.jpg

Does it match to B or C?

B: Tower inferno aftermath

Madrid 2.jpg
mandarin_oriental_2.jpg
shanghai_apartment_2.jpg

Or C: Imploded demolition

church rubble..jpg



P.S. don't hurt yourself... it's not that difficult..
 

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Let me repeat this fact.

-1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron

-1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
-825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)


How to explain the melting steel in the twin tower?

MAXIMUM HEAT BY JET FUEL IS 1517 F.

AND IT WILL PRODUCE BLUE FLAME.

MELTING POINT OF TYPICAL STRUCTURE STEEL IS 2750 F.

WHERE THE MELTING STEEL COME FROM?

Base on analysis by one of the Washington university professor, it is nano thermite a high tech explosive material.

Only CIA and Mossad able to produce this kind of material.

Bin Ladin lived in the desert it is impossible to have High tech lab.

 
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4.I would not put it past those people to suicide themselves, seeing they hate us and are taught this is the way to serve
their God

7.So what is the real truth, did someone pay them or what to hijack the planes, or ?
First I want to apologize for responding so strongly about focusing on tower 7- I just know that the moment we veer away from such powerful evidence the wolves will come out in full force picking and choosing their battles attempting to make us seem ridiculous. With that being said- anyone who see's the evidence that's been posted and still chooses ignorance is out of our hands. So- on to your your statement and question.

1st. The hijackers religious loyalty.

THE leader of the September 11 terrorists and four other hijackers made several trips to Las Vegas over the summer to hold meetings, gamble and be entertained by topless dancers.

According to the FBI, Mohamed Atta, the pilot of the first hijacked aircraft that crashed into the World Trade Centre, and his accomplices spent some of their time in Las Vegas at the Olympic Bar, a downtown strip club.

Lotfi Riassi, a pilot arrested in London on suspicion of teaching four hijackers how to fly, also stayed in the gambling city in Nevada. Investigators believe the September 11 plot was developed there.

But the Muslim fundamentalists, who supposedly believed that their terrorism would earn them the pleasures of eager virgins in heaven, also sampled some of the forbidden pleasures of America's capital of decadence.

Samantha, a 29-year-old stripper, told the San Francisco Chronicle, that she had been paid to lap dance for Marwan al-Shehhi, the pilot of the second aircraft to hit the World Trade Centre.



"Some big-man terrorist, huh?", she said as she took a break at the Olympic Garden Topless Cabaret. "He spent about $20 for a quick dance and didn't tip more."

She remembered the terrorist staring blankly at her as she swung her hips inches from his face.

All the strippers, she said, remember the men as well-groomed, polite and light drinkers. Some of the hijackers also used the Pink Pony strip joint in Florida.



Dr Osama Haikal, president of the board of directors of the Islamic Foundation of Nevada, said: "True Muslims don't drink, don't gamble, don't go to strip clubs. These things are a sin, just like what they did in New York and Washington is a sin."
If the hijackers had enjoyed a lap dance in most strict Islamic countries, he added, they would probably have been flogged.


Seedy secrets of hijackers who broke Muslim laws - Telegraph


2. Did someone pay them to hijack those planes.. Yes they were paid, but I don't think they hijacked any planes and I don't even think they are dead. Money is no good to a dead man. So what we have here are scapegoats. Lets look at what happened.

Eight months into Bush's first term as president, the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks occurred. In response, Bush launched the War on Terror, an international military campaign which included the war in Afghanistan launched in 2001 and the war in Iraq launched in 2003. In addition to national security issues, Bush also promoted policies on the economy, health care, education, social security reform He signed into law broad tax cuts, the PATRIOT Act, His tenure saw national debates on immigration, Social Security, electronic surveillance, and enhanced interrogation techniques.

[h=1]Cheney's Halliburton Made $39.5 Billion on Iraq War[/h] By Angelo Young, International Business Times
20 March 13


[h=1]Investing in war[/h] [h=2]The Carlyle Group profits from government and conflict[/h]


[h=4]By M. Asif Ismail
[/h] [h=4]12:00 am, November 18, 2004 Updated: 12:19 pm, May 19, 2014[/h]

A dozen companies in which Carlyle had a controlling interest netted more than $9.3 billion in contracts.
Overall, six private investment firms, including Carlyle, received nearly $14 billion in Pentagon deals between 1998 and 2003.
Investing in war | Center for Public Integrity




[h=1]The ex-presidents' club[/h]



It is hard to imagine an address closer to the heart of American power. The offices of the Carlyle Group are on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington DC, midway between the White House and the Capitol building, and within a stone's throw of the headquarters of the FBI and numerous government departments. The address reflects Carlyle's position at the very centre of the Washington establishment, but amid the frenetic politicking that has occupied the higher reaches of that world in recent weeks, few have paid it much attention. Elsewhere, few have even heard of it. This is exactly the way Carlyle likes it. For 14 years now, with almost no publicity, the company has been signing up an impressive list of former politicians - including the first President Bush and his secretary of state, James Baker; John Major; one-time World Bank treasurer Afsaneh Masheyekhi and several south-east Asian powerbrokers - and using their contacts and influence to promote the group. Among the companies Carlyle owns are those which make equipment, vehicles and munitions for the US military, and its celebrity employees have long served an ingenious dual purpose, helping encourage investments from the very wealthy while also smoothing the path for Carlyle's defence firms.
But since the start of the "war on terrorism", the firm - unofficially valued at $3.5bn - has taken on an added significance. Carlyle has become the thread which indirectly links American military policy in Afghanistan to the personal financial fortunes of its celebrity employees, not least the current president's father. And, until earlier this month, Carlyle provided another curious link to the Afghan crisis: among the firm's multi-million-dollar investors were members of the family of Osama bin Laden.

The ex-presidents' club | World news | The Guardian
 

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But I digress... What dropped tower 7?[/QUOTE]



Does'nt anyone find it strange that the media announced that bldg 7 fell BEFORE it actually did? Watch the news footage--you can clearly still see building 7 standing even as the reporter says it had fallen. Then they realize it was on tv, so the reporter shifts her position to try and hide the building STILL STANDING behind her!! WHY did they say it had fallen when clearly and obviously it was still intact? Building 7 did'nt fall until SEVERAL minutes later than reported.


Building 7 and the part of the Pentagon that got hit by whatever, were where the money and paper trails were, therefore they had to be destroyed. Why? Because one day before 911, it was reported by Donald Rumsfeld that about $2.3 million dollars could not be accounted for. Of course the govt is'nt going to admit that they DO know where it went, so they initiated 911 as a cover-up of where the money went and to who/ why.

The following article is from Follow The Money To The 911 Players.

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[/SIZE][SIZE=+2]Time To Acknowledge the Master Planners
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[TD="width: 601%"][SIZE=+1]You have to admire such chutzpah (Yiddish word for audacity). You have to admire, grudgingly, such cold-blooded, calculating cruelty, such amazing vision, however sadistic and criminal.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]911 remains a master plan ridden with obvious flaws. The master planners stood to gain TRILLIONS in profits, (although paid in blood money), for their skillful concept carried out like the climax of a suspenseful Hollywood movie. And so five years later, that masterful crime, what I call The Greatest Unsolved Crime of The Century, remains a magician's trick worthy of Satan himself.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Consider the targets chosen. The WTC complex was an enormous architectural white elephant filled with asbestos and with far too few tenants. But because the WTC had been built much too big and much too well, the cost of deconstruction, an estimated 15 billion, far outweighed whatever profit an owner might gain from years of ownership. But suppose a buyer stepped forward and purchased the property, with the foresight to realize the towers were targets? And suppose that buyer, possessed insider information about an attack and insured them against such a fate? And suppose that buyer collected when those white elephants crashed to the ground within months? In fact that is exactly what did happen, to the extent of 3.5 billion dollars.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Now suppose one of the collapsed structures hadn't even been hit? Instead the nearby 47-story, WTC-7 burst into flame, a suspicious, haphazard fire that raged hours through several key floors long after the twin towers fell. Several of the floors housed Security & Exchange records pertaining to multi-billion dollar investigations. The Los Angeles Times reported on September 17, 2001 that an estimated 3,000 to 4,000 cases were destroyed. They included SEC's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divided up hot shares of initial public offerings (IPOs) during the high-tech boom.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]By destroying the building, the fire and subsequent collapse destroyed the records forever and meant a huge net savings for CEOs and corporations being investigated. Add several hundred millions, perhaps billions to our crime spree so far.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Suddenly you realize why 911 occurred. For a twisted sense of globalism certainly, but for greater personal profit assuredly. The master planners, and one need look no further than the PNAC signers and whom they represented, realized that great crimes required great rewards.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=+1]Not surprisingly, many 911 skeptics focused unnecessarily on those United and American airline Put options. Yet, had they been collected, only a few millions would have been gained. Very likely, some rogue, low level co-conspirator, with pre-knowledge of the master plan, made those Put options but without top level approval. Just one of the many flaws that day.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Likewise, the heist of gold bars from vaults far below the WTC complex during the massacre occurring above may have yielded several hundred million more. No one knows. The New York city media, once again as complicit as co-conspirators, chose to ask few embarrassing questions about that crushed truck found weeks later below the WTC or who had loaded it. Once again this may have been another subsidiary operation, another unauthorized plundering by an insider group, like a lone looter who smashes a storefront window and grabs a handful of jewelry during a major earthquake.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]While hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of dollars, changed hands as nearly 3,000 unlucky Americans died at the WTC bombardment, TRILLIONS of dollars went missing over at the Pentagon. How? Easy. A simple sleight of hand, a sudden explosion and presto, 2.3 trillion of missing money was magically forgotten.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Two Trillion. Just like that.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Only a day before 911, on September 10, 2001, kindly Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, admitted, during the last peaceful day of terror-free living, that 2.3 trillion of Pentagon money was missing and unaccounted for.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]What a fortunate thing to happen---a wonderful thing, this 911 attack---wonderful indeed for those who stole/ embezzled/ purloined/ pocketed those trillions. Suddenly "Arab terrorists" had provided a Godsend (Allah be praised), provided a perfect distraction, for generals and general contractors and Fortune 500 corporations and the Pentagon comptroller and the Sec-Def and everyone else it seems---everyone, that is, but the average American or the average Muslim.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Imagine if you owned a bank and an investigation determined that you and your relatives had embezzled two trillion dollars from your bank. Newspapers blared the headline: "Two Trillion Missing." But--BUT---before the ink had dried on the tabloids, a nasty group of Islamofascists blew your bank ( or at least the records section) to smithereens. What a lucky break for you and your relatives. What an unlucky break for all those employees killed.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]But wait! In the following weeks, government inspectors (without investigating further) allowed your bank, encouraged your bank, to collect MORE funds---500 billion more per year---to squander or spend however you felt.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Because that is EXACTLY what happened in the 24 hours between the time Rumsfeld admitted the money went missing from the Pentagon and the 911 "terror" attack on the five-sided fortress.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Flight 77, or the remote controlled aircraft that blew concentric holes through six walls (airplane parts indicate the latter), slammed into the newly remodeled Army financial management/audit area and the Army personnel offices, one of two main west section offices heavily destroyed in the Pentagon attack. The other section being the Naval Command Center. Casualties were heavy.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]"Were the auditors who could 'follow the money,' and the computers whose data could help them do it, intentionally targeted, asked Jim Marrs and Barbara Honegger in her Pentagon Attack Papers? "It is worth noting that the Pentagon's top financial officer at the time, Dov Zakheim, who also acknowledged the 'missing' trillions, had a company that specializes in aircraft remote control technology."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Curiously, like many top level civilians working at the Pentagon on 911, Zakheim held duel citizenship, US and Israel.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]When following the money trail, you realize the incalculable billions gained with the conquest of war-torn and impoverished Afghanistan, which depended on a manufactured attack. But rather than find and capture a CIA--created mastermind allegedly responsible for nearly 3,000 deaths, the sole purpose of the attack on Afghanistan appeared to be control of a country for the benefit of an oil pipeline. In the book, "Bin Laden: the Forbidden Truth" by Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasique, the authors claim the U.S. tried to negotiate a trans-Afghanistan pipeline deal with the Taliban as late as August, 2001. "We'll either carpet you in gold or carpet you in bombs," negotiators reportedly said. When the pipeline deal fell through, the carpet of bombs followed---beginning with the WTC.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]If you follow the trillion-dollar money trail throughout 911, you easily see that those who stood to profit the most also occupied key places----military and civilian security systems, oil and gas consortiums, intelligence agencies, US Department of Justice and the US media/ propaganda systems--to make 911 happen and, just as important, to conspire to conceal the crime. The master planners pulled off a perfect plan, despite the obvious flaws.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]The blood money still flows, overflows, into their vaults and accounts. The planners remain masters of the known universe, unafraid of anyone or anything except perhaps a shadow. Because somewhere, perhaps in the depths of the Pentagon, honorable US officers, patriots like Colonel Bob Bowman, who realize EXACTLY what happened on 911, realize how the USAF was used as an unwitting accomplice on 911, simmer with shame, with resentment, with rage and frustration. One day these honorable men, together with other honorable men throughout this nation, will take legal steps to right the monstrous wrong that was done on September 11, 2001. Godspeed that day.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Former USAF non-com, Douglas Herman writes extensively on history and true crime related issues. His recent novel, The Guns of Dallas, examines the JFK assassination in a critical light. Email [email protected][/SIZE]
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[video=youtube;ltP2t9nq9fI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI[/video]
 

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[video=youtube;ltP2t9nq9fI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI[/video]
How did bbc know that bulding 7 collapse 20 minute earlier?

Lot of mystery? A lie is not easy when involve a a lot of organization.

should be well coordinate or will be caught like this example.
 
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Photo can be found at the bottom of this page in a PDF.. IT still stood

Fire & Rescue - Misc. Photo's
the fire spread to about two thirds of the mccormick center...the parts affected by the fire were completely collapsed...as you can see in this photo...

McCormickPlaceFire2-1967.jpg

this photo is much more representative of the fire damage than the ground level photos at your link... incidentally this photo was also one of the first to show up in a google search...so it should have been hard to miss...unless someone chooses to 'miss' it on purpose...
 
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And yet in the very face of obvious and irrefutable evidence you and Tintin still cling to the obvious lie, that tower 7 burned with a small fire and collapsed into a heap in on itself... I give kudos to Nautilus, at least he appears to acknowledge that evidence matters...

Rachel you can look up any statistic you want but at the end of the day you have to look at the building in question.. It's painfully obvious..
here is a photo of your 'small fire'...

WTC7Fire.jpg
"it's only a flesh wound!"

this is the half of 7 WTC that you conspiracy theorists never want anyone to see...because conspiracy theorists rely on misinformation and dishonesty in order to propagate their mythology...

what i can't figure out...is why any 'christian' would engage in such obvious deception...
 
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here is a photo of your 'small fire'...

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"it's only a flesh wound!"

this is the half of 7 WTC that you conspiracy theorists never want anyone to see...because conspiracy theorists rely on misinformation and dishonesty in order to propagate their mythology...

what i can't figure out...is why any 'christian' would engage in such obvious deception...

Rachel your picture shows smoke or even debris from a collapsing tower.. I see no flames. Second you sent a picture of a one story shack looking building. Try finding a skyscraper type building and I understand that you have passed over every single piece of evidence you know you'll NEVER be able to explain to keep clinging to your tiniest of victories and labeling them with comments designed to cast doubt. LOL conspiracy theorist never wants people to see ( what?) a burned down theatre? for all we know it a large hollow room. It's clearly not tall, just long and wide. Second, what burned there? You passed by everything else. What about the actual skyscrapers that burned? don't want to look at that. What about the image comparisons of actual demoed buildings and skyscraper fires? You don't want to look at that either.

Try this. I reply to absolutely every piece of "evidence" you post. Try that with mine. I KNOW you won't. Because you can't and you know it.
 
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Mccormick center before fire.

MCcormick before fire.jpg

After fire

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The roof collapsed.

This building included the Arie Crown Theater, designed by Edward Durrell Stone.[SUP][4][/SUP] It seated nearly 5,000 people and was the second largest theater (by seating capacity) in Chicago.

"It took just 45 minutes for two-thirds of the building to be engulfed. Before the fire was struck at 9:48 a.m., the roof had collapsed, though the Arie Crown Theater was damaged but not destroyed." -chicago tribune.
 
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Rachel your picture shows smoke or even debris from a collapsing tower.. I see no flames.
my picture shows huge amounts of smoke pouring out from about thirty stories of the building...and there are many other photos showing the same thing...clearly this is no 'small fire'...but like i said this is the side of 7 WTC that you conspiracy theorists try to hide...

and your 'no flames' argument is just another uninformed attempt at deception...everyone knows flames are not necessary for something to be extremely hot...for example...campfire coals...the end of a lit cigarette...and long lasting underground coal vein fires that exceed 1,000 degrees without any flames...

until you quit with these obvious efforts to mislead on even the most basic issues...i simply doubt that i am talking to someone who is interested in discussing this topic in good faith...so i am just not interested in your invitation to visit the other issues you raised...issues where i doubt you will be any more honest than you are being now...

again this is not because i have no reply to the so called 'evidence' you have posted...it is merely that i don't plan to be enticed into an endless debate with someone who clearly initiated this discussion in bad faith...
 

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911 meme.jpg Jet fuel did NOT burn down this tree:



but yet jet fuel DID reducethese towers
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to this? wtctowers.jpg


AND this?!!! WTC_03_BK.jpg


Oh puhleeze! Jet fuel cant even burn down a measly tree, but it brought down 2 steel-constructed towers?!!!! Get frickin' real!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
 
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I think a greater concern than profiteers off of war and death is the overall deception of the American people with this 'war on terror'. I was in Oral Communications class in college on 9/11/01 when the reports came of the tower attacks. All classes were let out and campus was shut down. I didn't believe everything I was hearing, but I made the mistake of thinking that Bush was making the right decision to go to war after 9/11. I'd bought into media spin and propaganda about a war on enemies who don't exist who they labeled 'terrorists'. After a while, I began to think for myself. After I'd looked over some discrepancies, I came to the conclusion that the 'war on terror' was a completely false invention to deceive Americans into agreeing with the agenda of a few shady characters and criminals. One of the questions I asked myself, and which I wish that every American would consider closely, is related to how much terrorism America experiences and doesn't experience on American soil: How much do these 'terrorists' really hate America?

The deception is based largely on the notion that 'terrorists' or Islamists or Jihadists hate Americans and westerners and want to destroy us. But I couldn't help noting that there are millions of Muslims and Middle Easterners in America and that America is open to 'real terrorists' who can come and go at will but that the 'acts of terror' that we experience in America are mostly by Americans: kids shooting up schools, ex-military personnel who have snapped or are disillusioned with the American military (and even those occurrences have some shadiness about them), etc. If Jihadists and Islamists really hated westerners as much as the media reports, why do they rarely kidnap and kill westerners in the Middle East, and, moreover, why are the Muslims and Islamists inside America not carrying out 'acts of terror' on a routine basis on American soil? These haters don't hit open and public places that would terrorize the average American like downtown areas in big cities, malls, restaurants, colleges, news channel buildings, etc. It doesn't add up. Along with 9/11, engineering evidence against the claims that two airplanes destroyed three skyscrapers, paper trails, purloining corporate thieves, and everything else you can trace out, the application of reason casts real doubt on the bases of any 'war on terror'.

I do want to add, however, that there are people who cannot 'bear' the truth. They literally cannot handle it and therefore have to live in denial; denial is their safe place. But that is not most people. People who can't handle the truth don't have to; but people who are able to give these kinds of things a second look but choose not to are the ones who are at fault.