Conspiracy thinker vs trust

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Fundamental

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How can a conspiracy thinker regain trust in the system and participate again?
I’m a little too hard on myself and the system with this. I simply don’t trust them (politics, science, healthcare, educational system) and can’t allow myself to bend a knee here.
So it ends up taking my social life and I might end up on the short end depressed and broke...

Coming from the pit once I know how easily it’s all lost. They way down is always faster then the way up....
But I just can’t seem to get up this time... This conspiracy is just too obvious and they lied too much and taken us for fools too many times.

“You can’t fool all the people all the time.”
 

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What is this system that you are referring too and how is it worthy of trust? If you are talking about the world then there is really nothing that is worth trusting let alone participate in. We are called to separate from the world not to participate in the latest social trend. I trust absolutely nothing in regards to the world and chose not to participate in its foolishness.
 
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The question is a bit ambiguous. To what exactly are you referring?

Regardless, we don't have to trust anything, but as Christians we should extend as much grace as we can. Do people deserve our trust? Probably not, but we should extend it anyway. That's why it's a grace. Ultimately we trust in God so we must also trust he'll take care of us. How much trust do you put into traffic lights that they aren't malfunctioning when driving through a green light? How much trust do you put into other drivers around you that they won't drive into you? We must give due diligence to be careful, but there's no reason to be suspicious and believe that everyone is out to get you. That will only lead to a life of fear and judgemental behavior and show that you don't really trust God.
 

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How can a conspiracy thinker regain trust in the system and participate again?
I’m a little too hard on myself and the system with this. I simply don’t trust them (politics, science, healthcare, educational system) and can’t allow myself to bend a knee here.
So it ends up taking my social life and I might end up on the short end depressed and broke...

Coming from the pit once I know how easily it’s all lost. They way down is always faster then the way up....
But I just can’t seem to get up this time... This conspiracy is just too obvious and they lied too much and taken us for fools too many times.

“You can’t fool all the people all the time.”
I don't buy into this term "conspiracy theorist"... It's a term used to try and discredit someone's opinion and i find that most theories that are labeled this do actually have some truth behind it...

The system has constantly lied to me, it has used and abused me... Jesus says to forgive 77 times but how do u forgive a system...
I struggled with this and still do a bit... I learnt how to forgive people even if they hadn't asked for it but a system is something entirely different...

But even if we do find the grace to forgive does that mean we must also trust... Of course not.
U don't trust a car that keeps letting you down and breaking down... "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"

Also its important to be able to distinguish between the system and the people within that system... Most people do have good intentions and a good heart and they can often become the target of our frustration towards the system...

At the moment the conspiracy i see is with covid... There have been so many lies and censoring that its hard to believe that people are still believing all of it... To me its quite obvious that the conspiracy is to force vaccines onto everyone and some kind of verification/tracking system... But the media has called us; covid deniers, a cult, conspiracy theorists, ant-science, defectors and all kinds of names in the effort to discredit... I will always stand in the truth regardless of how unpopular it is
 

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What is this system that you are referring too and how is it worthy of trust?
He is referring to:

(1) the Deep State conspiring to promote its own globalist/elitist agenda,
(2) the conspiracy for an illegal coup against a duly elected president (which was investigated and then swept under the rug),
(3) the Wuhan virus pandemic conspiracy (which no one has investigated and which has literally devastated the country),
(4) the conspiracy to unleash BLM and Antifa on the cities of America and the world,
(5) the conspiracy of the Democrats to steal the upcoming elections through mail-in ballots and voter fraud of many kinds,
(6) the conspiracy of the Socialists/Leftists/Marxists/Communists in America to burn down America, and
(7) the conspiracy of all the mainstream media to lie to the public daily and promote hatred against Trump and conservatives.

All these conspiracies are tied together, but most people have not connected the dots. So if anyone has lost trust in governments at all levels - local, provincial, state, and federal levels, it should not be surprising in the least. These governments have all betrayed the citizens who pay their wages, and prepared their nations for Fascism and Totalitarianism instead.
 

Nehemiah6

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At the moment the conspiracy i see is with covid... There have been so many lies and censoring that its hard to believe that people are still believing all of it.
It is totally shocking that NOT A SINGLE GOVERNMENT has set up an independent investigative commission to thoroughly investigate the COVID conspiracy.

Now even the conservatives have bought into the tyranny and fascism of masking, and Trump sent out a message recently claiming that patriots should wear masks! The message should have said the EXACT OPPOSITE. And no one should forget that HCQ was literally sabotaged to increase the number of covid deaths.
 

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What is this system that you are referring too and how is it worthy of trust? If you are talking about the world then there is really nothing that is worth trusting let alone participate in. We are called to separate from the world not to participate in the latest social trend. I trust absolutely nothing in regards to the world and chose not to participate in its foolishness.
Named them healthcare, politics, educational system. those things.
They lie and deceive to justify their wars, they hide facts for the public to maintain their voters etc....
I can make this story really long, but that would be edgy for my peace.

But I mean by participating a whole lot. Even in the supermarket I can’t buy normal food

It all started peaking in 2015 when Merkel opened our countries for mass migration. Then I started investigating the wars (After the Arab spring) and everything behind it. Now 2020 I am seeing what China, Turkey and many other countries are doing to christians; while politicians of Europe here still work together with these regimes.

And now with this coronavirus and all the scare tactics around it to implement new laws, it’s just beyond madness.
 

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The question is a bit ambiguous. To what exactly are you referring?

Regardless, we don't have to trust anything, but as Christians we should extend as much grace as we can. Do people deserve our trust? Probably not, but we should extend it anyway. That's why it's a grace. Ultimately we trust in God so we must also trust he'll take care of us. How much trust do you put into traffic lights that they aren't malfunctioning when driving through a green light? How much trust do you put into other drivers around you that they won't drive into you? We must give due diligence to be careful, but there's no reason to be suspicious and believe that everyone is out to get you. That will only lead to a life of fear and judgemental behavior and show that you don't really trust God.
Well then I’m a bad christian. Never called myself christian though, rather a person that’s trying to be christian. I have seen no better example in life then Jesus Christ. From all that is out there, Jesus is the light. Without Jesus I dont know where I’d be now.

Problem with today is that there are choices made where we did not vote for. That we are being lied to to shove it through our troaths anyway. Globalists are very bad losers and now they see they are losing, they are going to force their way and maintain power at any cost.

is a brainwashing going on and a grouppressure of marginalizing everything different. We as people trying to be christian are very much different.
There is a climate of fear and mocking which is shaping the collective to something they are not. It’s visible in our magazines, tv, radio, internet which brings it in schools, workplaces, ... It’s repeating from birth on which is conditioning us which is brainwashing us. Over and over we are reminded whats good and bad what we should love what we should hate. What we should fear, what is hot what is not, what ....
Pied piper ?

How many families today are at conflict because of politics? There are those who follow a lie and those who follow the truth... Those following the lie are now coming for the entire world and subdue us all. I see this happening through politics and I have read it before in Revalations. There is a conspiracy for total control over this world.
 

Blain

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How can a conspiracy thinker regain trust in the system and participate again?
I’m a little too hard on myself and the system with this. I simply don’t trust them (politics, science, healthcare, educational system) and can’t allow myself to bend a knee here.
So it ends up taking my social life and I might end up on the short end depressed and broke...

Coming from the pit once I know how easily it’s all lost. They way down is always faster then the way up....
But I just can’t seem to get up this time... This conspiracy is just too obvious and they lied too much and taken us for fools too many times.

“You can’t fool all the people all the time.”
The thing is that conspiracy is a rabbit hole hole you don't want to go to deep down it is easy to consume your thoughts and while yes it is good to be aware of the lies if you allow yourself to spend to much time with it then that is all you think about and like you said it can depress and drag you down.

Also it is not good to have mistrust with all those things as if none of them can be trusted if your focus is on the corruption only that is all you will see and believe me that is easy to fall into
 

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He is referring to:

(1) the Deep State conspiring to promote its own globalist/elitist agenda,
(2) the conspiracy for an illegal coup against a duly elected president (which was investigated and then swept under the rug),
(3) the Wuhan virus pandemic conspiracy (which no one has investigated and which has literally devastated the country),
(4) the conspiracy to unleash BLM and Antifa on the cities of America and the world,
(5) the conspiracy of the Democrats to steal the upcoming elections through mail-in ballots and voter fraud of many kinds,
(6) the conspiracy of the Socialists/Leftists/Marxists/Communists in America to burn down America, and
(7) the conspiracy of all the mainstream media to lie to the public daily and promote hatred against Trump and conservatives.

All these conspiracies are tied together, but most people have not connected the dots. So if anyone has lost trust in governments at all levels - local, provincial, state, and federal levels, it should not be surprising in the least. These governments have all betrayed the citizens who pay their wages, and prepared their nations for Fascism and Totalitarianism instead.
Well partly true what you say. :) I am from Europe and we have no republic like America.
Germany and France can dictate over the rest of Europe. Our politicians are entangled in such a complex infrastructure (where they are loaded with past mistakes on top) that it is quite impossible to tell the EU “no”. GB left the EU for that because they had nothing to say anymore. Poland and Hungary have said “no” to the EU too (with migration policies) but are still in the EU.
In Belgium we have 3 parts where 2 governments (Flanders and Wallonia) are constantly working against eachother. Then within our own regions they are constantly batteling and marginalizing our nationality to become this world creature.

All good and well till you start to see where it’s all heading to and where it already has led up to.
 

Blain

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Well then I’m a bad christian. Never called myself christian though, rather a person that’s trying to be christian. I have seen no better example in life then Jesus Christ. From all that is out there, Jesus is the light. Without Jesus I dont know where I’d be now.

Problem with today is that there are choices made where we did not vote for. That we are being lied to to shove it through our troaths anyway. Globalists are very bad losers and now they see they are losing, they are going to force their way and maintain power at any cost.

is a brainwashing going on and a grouppressure of marginalizing everything different. We as people trying to be christian are very much different.
There is a climate of fear and mocking which is shaping the collective to something they are not. It’s visible in our magazines, tv, radio, internet which brings it in schools, workplaces, ... It’s repeating from birth on which is conditioning us which is brainwashing us. Over and over we are reminded whats good and bad what we should love what we should hate. What we should fear, what is hot what is not, what ....
Pied piper ?

How many families today are at conflict because of politics? There are those who follow a lie and those who follow the truth... Those following the lie are now coming for the entire world and subdue us all. I see this happening through politics and I have read it before in Revalations. There is a conspiracy for total control over this world.
from I see your not a bad Christian and yes the brainwashing is real just very subtle in a way people don't think it is brainwashing but this is why above everything else we grow closer to God. The closer we are to him the more we are in truth and the less the lies can affect us, these things are part of bible prophecy

My advice is take your focus off of conspiracy God wants us to put him first he says to set your thoughts on the things of heaven, in this way we will be prepared for when this all comes out into the open because we live in the light and the truth
 

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The thing is that conspiracy is a rabbit hole hole you don't want to go to deep down it is easy to consume your thoughts and while yes it is good to be aware of the lies if you allow yourself to spend to much time with it then that is all you think about and like you said it can depress and drag you down.

Also it is not good to have mistrust with all those things as if none of them can be trusted if your focus is on the corruption only that is all you will see and believe me that is easy to fall into
But I mistrust them all.
I felt called to write it in a book and publish it free online. Yet for that I have to go really deep and now I went deep, there’s no way back I guess...

But the thing is quite simple. (I think) I have seen the lie exposed. Which has confirmed what I read in the Bible. So believing that, I must gain trust in God. Lay it all on Him. But that still does not get me out of segregation. I live in complete segregation and have build massive walls around my world. There is a circle around me where nobody can enter but 8 people. That was even before corona so.
 

Blain

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But I mistrust them all.
I felt called to write it in a book and publish it free online. Yet for that I have to go really deep and now I went deep, there’s no way back I guess...

But the thing is quite simple. (I think) I have seen the lie exposed. Which has confirmed what I read in the Bible. So believing that, I must gain trust in God. Lay it all on Him. But that still does not get me out of segregation. I live in complete segregation and have build massive walls around my world. There is a circle around me where nobody can enter but 8 people. That was even before corona so.
But now that the book is out therewhat fruits does this stuff produce in you? stress worry anxiety mistrust? these are fruits of the enemy love peace joy are the fruits of God. And no you are never to far gone for him reach you but you have to reach out to him with both hands you cannot have one hand reaching for him while holding on to what brought you into the hole at the same time. A wise man once said when you have hit rock bottom the only other way is up
 

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from I see your not a bad Christian and yes the brainwashing is real just very subtle in a way people don't think it is brainwashing but this is why above everything else we grow closer to God. The closer we are to him the more we are in truth and the less the lies can affect us, these things are part of bible prophecy

My advice is take your focus off of conspiracy God wants us to put him first he says to set your thoughts on the things of heaven, in this way we will be prepared for when this all comes out into the open because we live in the light and the truth
Amen. I should do that. Keep my eyes on Jesus. But if we as children of God don’t take a stand, there is no light in this world anymore. Yet by taking a stand and going at it, I often let go of the hand of Jesus and go seperate ways in my actions. I am not doing this on purpose, it just happens without me noticing it in the proces. I haven even caught myself on this forum of speaking very unchristian. It just happens...

I am conditioned to something I still have not fully unlearned. But last night I read an amazing passage of the Bible because I got reminded in the topic “Jacob the heel catcher”. Romans 7:21.
Being Paul he knew perfectly what that meant and being me I know perfectly what that means.

God has spoken and he revealed all this thousands of years before it happened. It’s time to hold on till the very end and we arrive in paradise once more.
 

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But now that the book is out therewhat fruits does this stuff produce in you? stress worry anxiety mistrust? these are fruits of the enemy love peace joy are the fruits of God. And no you are never to far gone for him reach you but you have to reach out to him with both hands you cannot have one hand reaching for him while holding on to what brought you into the hole at the same time. A wise man once said when you have hit rock bottom the only other way is up
Book is not out. One is unpublished and was needed to break open my head. The other is been left aside because it became too much. It even got to a point where it scared me.

Well I am not at rock bottom, life goes it routine and we have our daily bread. We still love and laugh each day. I just don’t see a way up in the current politcal system anymore. They made up their mind and no matter what we do the outcome has been arranged.

I guess Im struggling most because people I care about most believe a lot of the lies.
 

Blain

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Amen. I should do that. Keep my eyes on Jesus. But if we as children of God don’t take a stand, there is no light in this world anymore. Yet by taking a stand and going at it, I often let go of the hand of Jesus and go seperate ways in my actions. I am not doing this on purpose, it just happens without me noticing it in the proces. I haven even caught myself on this forum of speaking very unchristian. It just happens...

I am conditioned to something I still have not fully unlearned. But last night I read an amazing passage of the Bible because I got reminded in the topic “Jacob the heel catcher”. Romans 7:21.
Being Paul he knew perfectly what that meant and being me I know perfectly what that means.

God has spoken and he revealed all this thousands of years before it happened. It’s time to hold on till the very end and we arrive in paradise once more.
Yes we are to take a stand but we can also do this for the wrong reasons with pure intentions but some of the worst things done in history were with pure intentions. I study bible prophecy and that lead me to conspiracy and I saw the connections as well I went really deep but the problem is that we battle against a clever manipulator he can use this to corrupt and poison us I was in your shoes I cannot unlearn what I have learned either but what we fill our minds with is what will consume our thoughts and thus our hearts

We take a stand as children of God not against conspiracy but against all the attacks of the enemy the light doesn't just expose lies it heals and saves it brings forth the fruits of the spirit in others. I learned the hard way that by seeking to deep into the brainwashing of the enemy I became brainwashed by him I was in your exact shoes but I found myself losing hope and wanted more than anything to be with God like I used to I just couldn't handle all the corruption I saw in everything.

The first step is to fill yourself with him read the scriptures as much as possible listen to Christian music talk to God as much as possible fill your mind and heart with all of these things and you will start to see how he can reach and save you from the hole you in and I know from personal experience. The more time you spend with him the closer you become and the closer you become the more his light peace and joy will fill you, it isn't an easy thing to do at first and you may stumble sometimes maybe even a lot like I did but I am living proof it is possible
 

Blain

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Book is not out. One is unpublished and was needed to break open my head. The other is been left aside because it became too much. It even got to a point where it scared me.

Well I am not at rock bottom, life goes it routine and we have our daily bread. We still love and laugh each day. I just don’t see a way up in the current politcal system anymore. They made up their mind and no matter what we do the outcome has been arranged.

I guess Im struggling most because people I care about most believe a lot of the lies.
I have many loved ones who believe the lies as well my own sister claims to be a witch my other sister claims to be in the illuminati and even tried to recruit me and the rest of my family tried putting me in a mental ward because I was under major spiritual attacks worse than I have ever had and I couldn't and wouldn't tell them why

I have tried to save them and prayed for them but they are stuck in their own ways and sometimes we have to let God take the wheel and just pray for them
 
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Well then I’m a bad christian. Never called myself christian though, rather a person that’s trying to be christian. I have seen no better example in life then Jesus Christ. From all that is out there, Jesus is the light. Without Jesus I dont know where I’d be now.
I'm confused by "never called myself a christian though". What do you mean? Indeed, there is no better example than Jesus and he is the light, but who is he to you?
 

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I'm confused by "never called myself a christian though". What do you mean? Indeed, there is no better example than Jesus and he is the light, but who is he to you?
Jesus is the Messias, God in the flesh, the author and perfecter of my faith.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Might be better to get my eyes off corona, but autumn will bring a repetition of last year adding new elements. It’s easy to say “let it go” while it’s effecting everything in your life. Changing everything in life. God knows how I react to abrupt changes.
Might also be best for me to let this all go and watch more sermons. Trust in God is a hard while you are seeing all this injustice happening around you. While I can clearly see the long term effect of it all and not being sure of we’d be raptured. Need to grow bigger faith to engage these worries I guess.
 

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Jesus is the Messias, God in the flesh, the author and perfecter of my faith.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Might be better to get my eyes off corona, but autumn will bring a repetition of last year adding new elements. It’s easy to say “let it go” while it’s effecting everything in your life. Changing everything in life. God knows how I react to abrupt changes.
Might also be best for me to let this all go and watch more sermons. Trust in God is a hard while you are seeing all this injustice happening around you. While I can clearly see the long term effect of it all and not being sure of we’d be raptured. Need to grow bigger faith to engage these worries I guess.
It is never easy to let it all go contrary to the song in Frozen( I wish I could let it go that easily) But don't worry the injustice right now is only temporary the best we can do is help others however we can.
The news is honestly ticking me off all the riots and politions acting like children people using black lives matter as an excuse to be in riots and end up stealing and attacking

I wish I could go on the news and the world how they are all acting like children, I mean before all this happened I didn't see anyone standing for injusting I didn't see protests for change. Sure people talk about the injustice and sure peop;l;e complain about the corruption but who has bothered to do anything about it? as far as I can tell people just went about their lives I never saw people making a change like they are saying they are doing now.
You want change in the world get off your couch and do it you want injustice to be gotten rid of stop complaining about it and act.

Sigh... sorry this wasn't at you it is what I wish I could say to all the people acting like children even the people on the news just talk about all that is going but what do they do about it?