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SpoonJuly

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Something I have noticed in society and even on this forum---
So many people want to blame everything wrong in their life on others and never accept their responsibility in many if not most of these bad circumstances.
It is true with those who work for low wages--have a drug or alcohol habit--
I could go on and on.
No one forced you to take drugs or drink alcohol or not learn a trade or make yourself unemployable by foolish decisions.
It is not the government's responsible to bale you out. It is not mine. It is not those who have worked hard and have some wealth.
A lot of folks need to take a good look at themselves and stop with the blame game.
 

IFOLLOWHIM

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What's worse than societal blaming to me is kingdom blaming!
When Gods people cant understand and agree to rightly divide the word!
The Holy Spirit INSPIRED the word to be written by holy men of God!
Yet I'm noticing some DO NOT allow Him to reveal what God is expressly saying in HIS word.
 

ArtsieSteph

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Welcome to human nature!!! It’s literally ingrained in us since the first man. What did Adam say after he ate the forbidden fruit? “This woman who YOU gave me gave me the fruit and I ate it.” Blamed wife, blamed God for even GIVING HER TO HIM in the first place. Even as I’m saying this, you can argue I’m blaming Adam and Eve for it 🤣🤣🤣
 

Dino246

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To me, the bigger danger is government-enforced wealth transfer to those who blame others. Where Christians willingly reach out to people who make all kinds of bad decisions, and can help bring about lasting change, socialists demand and take resources, giving them to the same people with no accountability and no conditions, and perpetuating their decisions, even to succeeding generations.
 

Shekinahglory

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How do we understand the call to give to everyone who asks of you?

when do we pass the point of trying to save our lives and instead losing it?
Do we still believe that what we do for the least we have done for the Lord and the inverse what you didn’t do you did to Me.
 

SpoonJuly

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How do we understand the call to give to everyone who asks of you?

when do we pass the point of trying to save our lives and instead losing it?
Do we still believe that what we do for the least we have done for the Lord and the inverse what you didn’t do you did to Me.
The reason to help others is to HELP them not to support their wrong attitude of not accepting their responsibility in why they are in need.
When a person breaks his shovel while digging his own grave you do not help him by give him another shovel.
Sometimes the best help is just to say no.

Jesus never helped people so they could continue in sin.
 

Shekinahglory

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The reason to help others is to HELP them not to support their wrong attitude of not accepting their responsibility in why they are in need.
When a person breaks his shovel while digging his own grave you do not help him by give him another shovel.
Sometimes the best help is just to say no.

Jesus never helped people so they could continue in sin.
I don’t doubt you are correct do you have any verses directing His people to do it the way you have recored it? I am on your side I know the Lord’s teaching is our bottom line and if you are correct I want to change things and do them right. Thanks
 

SpoonJuly

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I don’t doubt you are correct do you have any verses directing His people to do it the way you have recored it? I am on your side I know the Lord’s teaching is our bottom line and if you are correct I want to change things and do them right. Thanks
Study the Gospel of Matthew and notice how Jesus dealt with many people and situations.
There is a time to help and a time to walk away and a time to call a spade a spade.
 

SpoonJuly

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I am not saying we are not to help those who are truly in need through no fault of their own----
But when a person places themselves in a place of need because of their own foolishness, we should be very careful how we HELP them.
Sometimes the best help is no help at all.
 

Shekinahglory

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Are we helping them or doing the same things ove again. My grandson is addicted to heroin but I know it is his fault. But how can our government send billions of dollars on huge corporations and can’t keep these kids in for more than 28 days. A waste of money and the lives these things spread and taint. Crime higher, homelessness going off the charts, and these things spread through society and cost a lot more in the long run. Not supporting anyone but caring for them like the Christian nation we are. These kids leave jail or short detox centers only to return to the same people and environment with no way of changing their circumstances and an endless cycle keeps rolling along. I just think these things have many aspects why some end up where they are. I am not talking as someone with no experience our grandson lived 21/2 years in our home and I saw the recklessness of his choices. I know some people will willfully choose these things. I don’t have answers I just have the words that haunt me what you didn’t do you did to me. The Lord to Saul, pre-Paul, why are you persecuting me? These are personal demons I fight with praying for His wisdom.
 

SpoonJuly

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Are we helping them or doing the same things ove again. My grandson is addicted to heroin but I know it is his fault. But how can our government send billions of dollars on huge corporations and can’t keep these kids in for more than 28 days. A waste of money and the lives these things spread and taint. Crime higher, homelessness going off the charts, and these things spread through society and cost a lot more in the long run. Not supporting anyone but caring for them like the Christian nation we are. These kids leave jail or short detox centers only to return to the same people and environment with no way of changing their circumstances and an endless cycle keeps rolling along. I just think these things have many aspects why some end up where they are. I am not talking as someone with no experience our grandson lived 21/2 years in our home and I saw the recklessness of his choices. I know some people will willfully choose these things. I don’t have answers I just have the words that haunt me what you didn’t do you did to me. The Lord to Saul, pre-Paul, why are you persecuting me? These are personal demons I fight with praying for His wisdom.
What you are saying here is the result of a system that has cuddled people instead of punishing them.
In my opinion any person caught selling drugs should be sent to jail for 20 years on the first offence and life on the second.
 

Shekinahglory

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All I can say is when men are having the wrath of God poured out on them they curse and rebel even more doesn’t work
 

SpoonJuly

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All I can say is when men are having the wrath of God poured out on them they curse and rebel even more doesn’t work
God does not pour out His wrath on His own.
Those who suffer God's wrath deserve it and the only way to escape is to repent and turn to Him.
I will pray for them but will not fill sorry for them.
 

Silverwings

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How do we understand the call to give to everyone who asks of you?

when do we pass the point of trying to save our lives and instead losing it?

Do we still believe that what we do for the least we have done for the Lord and the inverse what you didn’t do you did to Me.
To try to answer your first question, I would say that we need to use wisdom in this matter, do they really have a need or are they users, anyone can ask you for anything, and if you are not discerning, who is to say you will not end up in need yourself. I would prayerfully ask the Lord before giving to anyone, if you do not get a green light there has to be a reason why.

And i absolutely do believe that God sees when we give to those who are in need, and will reward us accordingly, just as he will if we refuse.

As to loosing our lives for his sake, maybe this link will be helpful

https://www.gotquestions.org/take-up-your-cross.html
 

gb9

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What you are saying here is the result of a system that has cuddled people instead of punishing them.
In my opinion any person caught selling drugs should be sent to jail for 20 years on the first offence and life on the second.
well, I guess you have never made a mistake, or been down a dark path.

maybe take some plank out of your own eye, and have a little forgiveness .

and, while I have no issue with a drug dealer going to jail, just make the punishment fit the crime.
 

SpoonJuly

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well, I guess you have never made a mistake, or been down a dark path.

maybe take some plank out of your own eye, and have a little forgiveness .

and, while I have no issue with a drug dealer going to jail, just make the punishment fit the crime.
Well, I think 20 years for a first offence for selling drugs does fit the crime when you consider the death and destruction their actions cause.
And yes I have made mistakes and have paid the price but when a person continues to return to their mistake time and time again it is time for punishment.
Here is where I see the failure in the system as well as many Christians----
These folks are digging their own grave and we just keep giving them a new shovel each time they break theirs.
Jesus tried on many occasions to reach the Pharisees but in the end He told them they would have to pay for their rejection and left them to their own destruction.
 

Shekinahglory

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Well, I think 20 years for a first offence for selling drugs does fit the crime when you consider the death and destruction their actions cause.
And yes I have made mistakes and have paid the price but when a person continues to return to their mistake time and time again it is time for punishment.
Here is where I see the failure in the system as well as many Christians----
These folks are digging their own grave and we just keep giving them a new shovel each time they break theirs.
Jesus tried on many occasions to reach the Pharisees but in the end He told them they would have to pay for their rejection and left them to their own destruction.
the Lord tried many times you say? If my brother offends me how many times Lord, 7x 70
 

morefaithrequired

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Sep 28, 2019
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Something I have noticed in society and even on this forum---
So many people want to blame everything wrong in their life on others and never accept their responsibility in many if not most of these bad circumstances.
It is true with those who work for low wages--have a drug or alcohol habit--
I could go on and on.
No one forced you to take drugs or drink alcohol or not learn a trade or make yourself unemployable by foolish decisions.
It is not the government's responsible to bale you out. It is not mine. It is not those who have worked hard and have some wealth.
A lot of folks need to take a good look at themselves and stop with the blame game.
I take a good look in the mirror several times a day. But some people call me a narcissist.
 

SpoonJuly

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the Lord tried many times you say? If my brother offends me how many times Lord, 7x 70
We are not talking about a BROTHER offending us we are talking about folks that want to blame all their bad situations on others and not accept their own failures that lead to such circumstances.
And then they want the government or you and I to bail them out.

Read Matthew 21:32-46 and Matthew 23