The Catholic pope and his new concordat.

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rayzor

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Sinners have a chance if they accept Jesus. Demons have already been judged and are doomed to eternity in the lake of fire. No suprise.
Hell is wrong it's not a good judgement it's an evil one.
 

Cabrillo

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Sinners have a chance if they accept Jesus. Demons have already been judged and are doomed to eternity in the lake of fire. No suprise.
So I love people that are or claim to be Catholics but loathe the Vatican. I wish all Catholic claiming people to just go read the New Testament. (At least 3 times in a row. If people read the Bible as much as watch sports and or sitcoms. It would be a much better world.
 
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Don't you believe that it's or obligation to oppose the Devil and all of his heresy & blasphemy? Including those that oppose the teachings of The Word? Its our job commissioned by Christ to spread the word around the world, that's why.
No, not if it is pointless, and not in my denomination. No my job to spread no word. Only to read them. Why would I nag catholics? God never spoke of catholics, he spoke of christians, go back to that, please. Jesus never demanded anything from you, he offered you something. This is important. Stop pestering people with your religion, if you do that. Give if asked, otherwise, shut up. You talk to people who are ready to recieve, not before, if you push it before, they will reject God. Not good. You do for you, this is for me only. What I do, and my advice only, not telling you anything.
 

Cabrillo

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ok do you think the bible is god?...or that we only have the bible...and not god on a more personal level?
No. I believe the Biblw was written by men under the power of the Holy Spirit and as John said;

1 John 4
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4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
 
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You people seem a bit catatonic. Chew some ritalin, you got it bad.:) Was supposed to be such a winkyface, did not work, yong people tech.
 

Cabrillo

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No, not if it is pointless, and not in my denomination. No my job to spread no word. Only to read them. Why would I nag catholics? God never spoke of catholics, he spoke of christians, go back to that, please. Jesus never demanded anything from you, he offered you something. This is important. Stop pestering people with your religion, if you do that. Give if asked, otherwise, shut up. You talk to people who are ready to recieve, not before, if you push it before, they will reject God. Not good. You do for you, this is for me only. What I do, and my advice only, not telling you anything.
Aren't Catholics sinners? We don't have to nag them if we show love and concern they become curious. A kind word or random act, some thankful prayers and some honest compassion should be plenty. Like a brief prayer over a meal and openly thank God in public. Should we be ashamed of the gospel and try to hide our faith from others. Go to a mission or retirement home and share. It's not that hard. We just can't be ashamed.

In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus says: "No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a cellar or under a basket, but on a stand, that those who come in may see the light. ... Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father." That's how we are supposed to act according to Jesus himself.
 

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I think you would do well to spend some time in thought regarding why you didn't know what Luther said about jews. I suspect your ignorance on this subject was planned (not by you). The implications of Protestant ignorance about this are far reaching.

What Luther actually said about jews is so over the top (like way, way stronger than anything Hitler ever said about them). It makes me think of Shakespeare's Hamlet "Me thinks thee protest too much." What might Luther have been hiding that he would say these things about jews?? Why did Luther want everyone to be really convinced that he hated jews so much?

Which books did Luther remove from the Bible? Why did he choose those books in particular for removal? The jews removed certain books from their canon at Jamnia. Luther just so happened to remove those same books that the Jews did in their council of Jamnia in order to form the Protestant bible. He didn't want people to think of him a jew sympathizer, or else he wouldn't have gotten any traction for his movement. So that's why he went so overboard on his big show of "hate" for the jews.

An another question for consideration is why the jews removed those books in their council of Jamnia soon after Jesus?
Yeah, it's not like I ever studied anything on Luther, saw a movie or two, and maybe read a few articles. None of that stuff about his hate came up. You guys are totally welcome to start a Luther thread and educate that masses.

You have any thoughts about what the Vatican said, regarding the videos, and comments?
 

Cabrillo

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You people seem a bit catatonic. Chew some ritalin, you got it bad.:) Was supposed to be such a winkyface, did not work, yong people tech.
I've dedicated the rest of my life to serving the Lord and sharing the word. I don't follow people or stand on a lecturn, uninvited and preach. I read the Bible and carry one with me in public. If asked I share, I do. I also invite people to Bible studies and even offer free Bibles. I'm retired now so I personally have no other obligations or dependents. I've got all of the time that the Lord gives me to share love and concern for my fellow humans, for now.

Now we are off of the subject of the Vatican, politics and the Great commission. Are you or do you oppose evangelism? If you turned a blind eye to someone hurting themselves, and the died would you feel partially responsibility? Are we not our brothers keepers?
 
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Aren't Catholics sinners? We don't have to nag them if we show love and concern they become curious. A kind word or random act, some thankful prayers and some honest compassion should be plenty. Like a brief prayer over a meal and openly thank God in public. Should we be ashamed of the gospel and try to hide our faith from others. Go to a mission or retirement home and share. It's not that hard. We just can't be ashamed.

In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus says: "No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a cellar or under a basket, but on a stand, that those who come in may see the light. ... Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father." That's how we are supposed to act according to Jesus himself.
Of course they are sinners. They are catholics, wrong faith according to my faith. You judged the pope and some international order, judging all catholics, not doing that myself. I do not do prayers yet. Cannot help. Late november or december perhaps. Do with your gospel as you wish, I am doing it for real , nop to you. What are you trying to tell people? If you are honest people might help
 

Cabrillo

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Of course they are sinners. They are catholics, wrong faith according to my faith. You judged the pope and some international order, judging all catholics, not doing that myself. I do not do prayers yet. Cannot help. Late november or december perhaps. Do with your gospel as you wish, I am doing it for real , nop to you. What are you trying to tell people? If you are honest people might help
I never judged catholics. I love them. I hate the Vatican and their disloyalty to God inspired scripture, politics etc.

What I'm trying to tell people is that all adults must be born again to avoid the lake of fire. After that they should get baptized or re-baptized and love God more than life. If they should decide to become a doctor, lawer, cook or plumber for that sake. It's called free will. Perfectly fine. What are Jesus's first two commandments?

Matthew 22:37-39 KJV
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
#3 is if you love me obey my commandments. John 14:15
 

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Hitler was no longer a Catholic by then. He hated Jesus and Christians because the Lord was born Jewish and Christians because we worship the same Jewish God.
He literally said he was doing God's work but eradicating the Jews... Hitler may or may not have been a practicing Catholic but he did use this anti-jewish sentiment from the Vatican to drum up support for trying to murder an entire race of people
The Vatican even help Nazi war criminals escape Germany after the war
 

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Yeah, it's not like I ever studied anything on Luther, saw a movie or two, and maybe read a few articles. None of that stuff about his hate came up. You guys are totally welcome to start a Luther thread and educate that masses.

You have any thoughts about what the Vatican said, regarding the videos, and comments?
1. Ya. The point is that certain historical events are constantly promoted and pushed into people's consciousness. Other historical events are suppressed. There is an agenda behind this for sure. It's weaponized history. I'm sure a lot of these historical "facts" are just nothing but lies designed to further their narrative. The point was NOT anything against you personally.

2. Nothing against you. At all. But why do you use the language of the anti-christians? "Hate"?? Be careful with that. Their morality is against Christian morality. Be careful when you find yourself thinking like them, talking like them, or placing value on anything that they promote. Other buzzwords they have: tolerance, acceptance, unity, coexist.

3. Regarding the "catholic" video... Not surprising at all. Catholic church is massively infiltrated by satanic freemasons. It's the same with Protestant churches. Catholics infiltrated by freemasons. Protestants infiltrated by jews. Both groups despise Christianity. Both groups actively working towards the destruction Christendom.
 

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This Pope has expressed a world dictatorial profile since he entered office. This is just his next endeavor.

The Pope is a politician and a religious leader. He's the "God anointed" dictator of one of the smallest sovereign states on earth. And boasting what is likely the largest citizen population. Over 1 billion Roman Rite faithful.
It's a Fiefdom of sorts. He's even addressed the UN.
And he's the first Jesuit ever elected to the office.

Francis also breaks with many of the Orthodox traditions of the faith itself.
The one that stands out is when he said atheists can enter Heaven if they're good people.

Some say he's the antichrist of prophecy. I think he's going to overstep his bounds and won't be long for the office.
 

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He literally said he was doing God's work but eradicating the Jews... Hitler may or may not have been a practicing Catholic but he did use this anti-jewish sentiment from the Vatican to drum up support for trying to murder an entire race of people
The Vatican even help Nazi war criminals escape Germany after the war
“I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work.” Adolf Hitler in his book, Mein Kampf of 1948

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." Hitler in a statement to his general, Gerhard Engel in 1941

"Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in a fanatical outlook." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, p. 171]

Josef Stalin was a student in a Russian Orthodox seminary for a short time.
 

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1. Ya. The point is that certain historical events are constantly promoted and pushed into people's consciousness. Other historical events are suppressed. There is an agenda behind this for sure. It's weaponized history. I'm sure a lot of these historical "facts" are just nothing but lies designed to further their narrative. The point was NOT anything against you personally.

2. Nothing against you. At all. But why do you use the language of the anti-christians? "Hate"?? Be careful with that. Their morality is against Christian morality. Be careful when you find yourself thinking like them, talking like them, or placing value on anything that they promote. Other buzzwords they have: tolerance, acceptance, unity, coexist.

3. Regarding the "catholic" video... Not surprising at all. Catholic church is massively infiltrated by satanic freemasons. It's the same with Protestant churches. Catholics infiltrated by freemasons. Protestants infiltrated by jews. Both groups despise Christianity. Both groups actively working towards the destruction Christendom.

As far as point 2, it's not hate at all, but fact. What would you call a leader of the largest church in the world, insisting that believers should not share the gospel with non-believers? I could list a ton of other differences, but you listed some in point 3. Your saying the Catholic church is massively infiltrated by satanic freemasons, but some how calling the vatican leader an anti-christ is going to far?!?! Seems rather inconsistant.

Not taking what you said as an attack against me, but feel your honestly sharing what you believe. Once again, please feel free to start another threat about Protestant teachings fallacies, that you feel are worth mentioning.

I honestly believe that the Catholic Church leadership is a threat to Protestant believers, so that's why the thread was started. If what you said, that the RCC has been infiltrated by satanic freemasons, not sure how you would disagree with the premise of this thread.
 
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I never judged catholics. I love them. I hate the Vatican and their disloyalty to God inspired scripture, politics etc.

What I'm trying to tell people is that all adults must be born again to avoid the lake of fire. After that they should get baptized or re-baptized and love God more than life. If they should decide to become a doctor, lawer, cook or plumber for that sake. It's called free will. Perfectly fine. What are Jesus's first two commandments?

Matthew 22:37-39 KJV
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
#3 is if you love me obey my commandments. John 14:15
Catholics are pointed towards the vatican, and they idolize other idols over Jesus. Jesus is nr 3 on their list of prayers. That is fine by me, if God was one of them, but he is not, it is Mary and some other saint. That is idolitary. If they make Jesus out to the be end of it all, as many do. If it is so, people should pray directly, not use conduits. Not go through his girlfriend, or friends. This is all wrong for me because Jesus points to God, so prayers should be directed at God. By judging the head of catholics, you judge catholics, since they worship that church and follow that pope. Rightful judgement I feel. The popes have been bad throughout my life.

Yes, people should probably get baptized as adults. I looked into that, it was not easy at the times we have, covid, and now it is winter, probably not a good idea to do it now. And I do not think it is right to do it in a church I disregard. So I have decided to stay unbaptized. But encourage others to do it. Not a must I think, but a nice thing to do.

I fulfill the first two commandments of Jesus, that is good news. Did not know them before you pointed them out. Of course I obey the commandments, which I take as the 10 commandments, not what you speak of. Not reading them again now, but I think I am inside them, not required yet, this is required after I pray for the first time. Not that I will break them before that, but if I ever were to use his name in vain, or covet what is not mine, it would not send me to bleep until I pray. So I read before praying, getting more informed, being genuine about it. You are stuck in the Jesusthing, ignoring that he points to God. John the baptist is speaking of the 10 commandments. If you love, you obey the commandments first. So no praying till you learn. For me. You do it your way, if we disagree, that is fine. I got my new bible today and will learn much faster now, and another book about the cermons on the mound, and what we as modern christians lost from Jesus teachings. Sneak preview tomorrow, but am saving it for december. Lose your Jesus focus, and see where he pointed, or do a deepdive into his work. Do not do idolotary on even him, when he points to God. He is God, and points to himself as God. Just contemplate his teachings, follow the work, and be light about it, God/Jesus never wanted us to get mired in in a pit over scripture, that is not the message. Was meant to be a joy for us, a fun thing that we sought out because we wanted, not because we had to. Jesus did not command you to do anything, he just encouraged you, if it ends with Jesus for you. Hope it makes sense to you, and is uplifting.
 

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Catholics are pointed towards the vatican, and they idolize other idols over Jesus. Jesus is nr 3 on their list of prayers. That is fine by me, if God was one of them, but he is not, it is Mary and some other saint. That is idolitary. If they make Jesus out to the be end of it all, as many do. If it is so, people should pray directly, not use conduits. Not go through his girlfriend, or friends. This is all wrong for me because Jesus points to God, so prayers should be directed at God. By judging the head of catholics, you judge catholics, since they worship that church and follow that pope. Rightful judgement I feel. The popes have been bad throughout my life.

Yes, people should probably get baptized as adults. I looked into that, it was not easy at the times we have, covid, and now it is winter, probably not a good idea to do it now. And I do not think it is right to do it in a church I disregard. So I have decided to stay unbaptized. But encourage others to do it. Not a must I think, but a nice thing to do.

I fulfill the first two commandments of Jesus, that is good news. Did not know them before you pointed them out. Of course I obey the commandments, which I take as the 10 commandments, not what you speak of. Not reading them again now, but I think I am inside them, not required yet, this is required after I pray for the first time. Not that I will break them before that, but if I ever were to use his name in vain, or covet what is not mine, it would not send me to bleep until I pray. So I read before praying, getting more informed, being genuine about it. You are stuck in the Jesusthing, ignoring that he points to God. John the baptist is speaking of the 10 commandments. If you love, you obey the commandments first. So no praying till you learn. For me. You do it your way, if we disagree, that is fine. I got my new bible today and will learn much faster now, and another book about the cermons on the mound, and what we as modern christians lost from Jesus teachings. Sneak preview tomorrow, but am saving it for december. Lose your Jesus focus, and see where he pointed, or do a deepdive into his work. Do not do idolotary on even him, when he points to God. He is God, and points to himself as God. Just contemplate his teachings, follow the work, and be light about it, God/Jesus never wanted us to get mired in in a pit over scripture, that is not the message. Was meant to be a joy for us, a fun thing that we sought out because we wanted, not because we had to. Jesus did not command you to do anything, he just encouraged you, if it ends with Jesus for you. Hope it makes sense to you, and is uplifting.
Ok, I absorbed that. I think a little more clarification on my part is is order I love catholics but hate the fake RCC traditions and dogma. The folks who consider themselves catholics should be told the truth and Get saved from RCC and Vatican nation. It is an abomination and will left to perdition with the atheists, Nazis, Astrologers, sorcerers and those who sacrifice unborn children. I was Catholic when Nixon was pres.

I'm not a fan of indoor or private Baptism. I should be in public as a public demonstration of faith and commitment. So it can be seen by saved & sinners alike. Jesus is the only way to Salvation. Faith in him is the only way to cover our sins and make us acceptable to the Father. Jesus sends us the Holy Spirit. "Hear this oh Israel. Our God is one." Duet 6:4.
Father Son and Holy spirit are one not three. We pray in the name of Jesus (Not Mary) that we may be heard by the Father. the Trinity works in concert together like a musical cord or like in, of one accord.

Complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. Phil 2:2
Jesus points to the Father. The father, Son and Holy Spirit are God., together or separate.

Jesus said "You must be born again"

Just like body parts, We can't all perform the same jobs the eyes can't hear the ears can't see, the feet don't type. We can't all be missionaries, Evangelists, musicians, drive the sunday school bus's. be Pastors or pastors wives. Weall can do something for the Lord. It's called Tithing time.

That's plenty for now. Peace out. PTL.
 

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As far as point 2, it's not hate at all, but fact. What would you call a leader of the largest church in the world, insisting that believers should not share the gospel with non-believers? I could list a ton of other differences, but you listed some in point 3. Your saying the Catholic church is massively infiltrated by satanic freemasons, but some how calling the vatican leader an anti-christ is going to far?!?! Seems rather inconsistant.

Not taking what you said as an attack against me, but feel your honestly sharing what you believe. Once again, please feel free to start another threat about Protestant teachings fallacies, that you feel are worth mentioning.

I honestly believe that the Catholic Church leadership is a threat to Protestant believers, so that's why the thread was started. If what you said, that the RCC has been infiltrated by satanic freemasons, not sure how you would disagree with the premise of this thread.
Sometimes it just amazes me how person A will say something and person B hears sometime entirely different than what person A was trying to communicate. Just very different backgrounds and views on things coupled with a lack of nonverbal cues.

I wasn't disagreeing with your video about the pope. It's bad. Very, very bad. There is no defending that, and I hope I didn't come off as defending it. In any way. Period. And you're also correct that Christians do have a duty to share the gospel with others.

Now regarding the word "hate"...
1. I was trying to imply that Luther did not hate the jews. I suspect closer to the opposite. I suspect that he wanted people to think that he hated the jews in order to gain more credibility for Protestantism. Jews were seen as anti-Christian and not trusted. So when he followed the jews in getting rid of certain books in the Bible, he didn't want people to think he was some kind of anti-Christian jew lover.
2. "Hate" is just a buzzword of the anti-Christian left. It's just like "racist", or "misogynist " or "Nazi". It means nothing anymore because they're all so overused all meaning has long been lost.
Anyone that doesn't want to be around a bunch of blacks must be a racist. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Anyone that doesn't feel sorry enough for jews must be a Nazi. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Anyone that doesn't give sufficient homeage to any of the protected classes of peoples must "hate" them. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I'm just saying to be cautious when you find yourself using the buzzwords of the enemy. They bend your thought through language. It's their first step toward mind control. Gotta fight it.
3. I think I tend to disagree with your idea that Catholic leadership is a threat to Protestants. I think the people that are most under threat from Catholic leadership are Catholics! Protestants have a lot bigger threats that the pope. If you focus on the pope you're never going to see the threats that are much more dangerous and much closer.