The Third Is Coming

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lukeabers

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Saw a post on this website where a poster mentioned the title of this thread, 'The Third Is Coming'....if I may clarify...

There is a popular set of beliefs concerning the End Times that simply does not match what the Bible says. As a disclaimer, I do not have all of the answers, but certain things seem rather clearly stated within the Holy Texts. I posit the following:

1. The Bible is the Word of God and the highest authority on any spiritual matter, however requiring wisdom and guidance from the Holy Spirit to understand.
2. The End Times is a period longer than 7 years as is evidenced in Daniel 12, though it may be that there is a final 7 year period to close.
3. The Beginning of Sorrows, as mentioned by Christ in Matthew 24, has begun, evidenced by the 'diverse earthquakes' seen since the beginning of the atomic age, when mankind reached the point to have the technology to create its own earthquakes.
4. The Beginning of Sorrows is the beginning of the End, Revelation's 1st seal is then already broken.

God is good. Therefore, if God is unleashing something upon Earth, it is for our benefit. The seals seem to imply that they are indeed a 'seal', something is being held back and then released on God's timing. It is my belief that each seal is put into place to disallow evil to gain its full power.

Paul, in his statement concerning the 'secret power of lawlessness' and the 'great delusion', strengthens my position concerning the seals. Christendom has been, let's say, hampered for quite some time. Naivety, human malevolence, and an ancient adversary bent on our destruction, has put us at a serious disadvantage. Indeed, without the active power of God, represented through YWHW, Jesus Christ (Yeshua), and the Holy Spirit, Christians would have already been exterminated.

The nuclear age ended the age of world wars, abruptly. Peace through conquest and the threat of conquest. The white horse with a bow, the ancient ballistic weapon to represent peace through the threat of nuclear war. Mankind cracked the atom. A seal, opened by God, to halt mankind's military industrial complex from grating Earth into dust.

The second seal, also broken. The red horse, able to take peace away from nations, with a double edged sword...a horse able to take peace with words, information. The Internet has caused countries to collapse and with heads of state able to tweet at each other, we remain at an uneasy place, without peace. Of course, the Internet is a double-edged sword, and the information made available to us all gives us a great opportunity to prepare for what is to come.

The third is coming...naturally, to be followed by the fourth...the fifth seal implies a bloody massacre of Christians. Perhaps, those of you with wisdom can help find a way to put this information to good use.

The third horseman, black, carrying scales...allegedly the horse of 'famine'. Perhaps, but I would ask you to look at 2 Kings 7 where a smaller amount for a days wage is seen as a huge blessing! I propose the scales do not denote a famine, the scales denote a controlled economy. This is further evidenced by the statement concerning not harming the wine nor the oil.

The third horseman, in keeping with the previous two, is something that the Lord is going to open that will change the way that life operates, completely. It is most likely that a controlled economy is only possible using slave labor. Fortunately, we have a slavehorse called the computer. Unfortunately, the computer is currently to 'dumb' to be useful on that scale. However, AI is around the corner. Of course, this AI will not be all-powerful as is claimed by many in the mainstream. Intelligence is a much more complex issue than they understand and mankind will be unable to recreate a human within a microchip.

The fourth and final horseman is likely the entrance into the genetic age. It will be horrific and much of the research has already begun on the topic. It is not likely that any of us will be alive for that time period, and while one would think I would be happy about this...it saddens me to know that my children or grandchildren will likely face horrors that could only be previously dreamed. This is the drive behind this post, a warning of what is to come and a request for people to think of what can be done to alleviate the pains that will be felt in the future.

i know I may have just kicked an anthill with my statements here, but each piece is laid out in the Bible. Please, those of you with wisdom, do not listen to naysayers unless they are backed strongly through the proper use of the Word. We are living on a planet run by satan and the naivete of Christians remains appalling concerning what goes on behind the scenes around them.

“The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine on you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace.” Numbers 2:24-26
 
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SpoonJuly

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I do not have all the answers either, but I disagree with what you believe.
 

lukeabers

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SpoonJuly...maybe you are a well-intentioned person, but merely waiving your hand and stating that I am wrong is actually quite childish and does not speak well of you.

Everything I stated comes directly from the Scriptures.
 
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SpoonJuly

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SpoonJuly...maybe you are a well-intentioned person, but merely waiving your hand and stating that I am wrong is actually quite childish and does not speak well of you.

Everything I stated comes directly from the Scriptures.
No--
That is what you believe the Scripture states..
You did not give any Scriptures.
You are new here and will soon see that most disagree with you.
And I was not waiving my hand and stating you were wrong.
I said I disagree with you.
 

lukeabers

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No--
That is what you believe the Scripture states..
You did not give any Scriptures.
You are new here and will soon see that most disagree with you.
And I was not waiving my hand and stating you were wrong.
I said I disagree with you.
I know that most here will disagree with me. I am not here for them, I am here for people with the wisdom to see past what has been propagated from the pulpit and instead look to the Word for the truth.

The Beginning of Sorrows has begun. This means the end of times has begun. This means the first seal is broken. From there, it is certainly left up to interpretation, as the seals are clearly a riddle. However, the first seal being broken, and the timing of its breaking, coincide with the advent of nuclear technology.

As I stated, I do not have all of the answers, but what I have presented here coincides with the reality of it already being the end times and with the events as they are unfolding.

I am not speaking from ignorance on the course of events for the world. I am trained in variety of academic disciplines and know quite well the most recent breakthroughs, as well as the general direction that science can/is heading.
 

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SpoonJuly...maybe you are a well-intentioned person, but merely waiving your hand and stating that I am wrong is actually quite childish and does not speak well of you.

Everything I stated comes directly from the Scriptures.
You took scripture and added your own conjecture.
 

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Oh, look, another hand waiver...

The state of Christendom: Poor
Just because someone disagrees with your perception does not make one a poor Christian. I found what you wrote to be interesting but it is still all bogus.
 

lukeabers

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Just because someone disagrees with your perception does not make one a poor Christian. I found what you wrote to be interesting but it is still all bogus.
1) Disagreement, when based on factual discourse, is positive. Disagreement along the lines of "you are wrong and I am right" is for gradeschool children.

2) The state of Christendom is poor. The naivete and utter lack of wisdom coming from alleged Christians is beyond appalling, it is sinful.

3) You are also a hand waiver.
 
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SpoonJuly

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I know that most here will disagree with me. I am not here for them, I am here for people with the wisdom to see past what has been propagated from the pulpit and instead look to the Word for the truth.

The Beginning of Sorrows has begun. This means the end of times has begun. This means the first seal is broken. From there, it is certainly left up to interpretation, as the seals are clearly a riddle. However, the first seal being broken, and the timing of its breaking, coincide with the advent of nuclear technology.

As I stated, I do not have all of the answers, but what I have presented here coincides with the reality of it already being the end times and with the events as they are unfolding.

I am not speaking from ignorance on the course of events for the world. I am trained in variety of academic disciplines and know quite well the most recent breakthroughs, as well as the general direction that science can/is heading.
No offence to you---
But I have meet many who are "trained in variety of academic disciplines" that could not tie their shoes.
Education does not always lead to a proper understanding of the Word.
 
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SpoonJuly

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If you really want to discuss this, give us Scripture and what you believe it states.
You are the one who is the hand waiver here.
 

lukeabers

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No offence to you---
But I have meet many who are "trained in variety of academic disciplines" that could not tie their shoes.
Education does not always lead to a proper understanding of the Word.
It is true that education does not always lead to a proper understand of the Word nor the world. However, to know about the world requires education.

As for an understanding of the Word, God states that He creates mysteries and we are to solve them. The Bible is complex beyond belief, but with the guidance of the Holy Spirit through faith in God can lead to some interesting revelations.

If you want, hit me point by point, but don't hand waive...or I might ridicule you for it :)
 

lukeabers

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If you really want to discuss this, give us Scripture and what you believe it states.
You are the one who is the hand waiver here.
I laid out the scriptures that I used in my original posting. I did not give verses because my post is not for the lazy, it is for those who want to know the truth. And, if you are looking for the truth, you are not reading verse by verse, you are reading chapter by chapter within a historical and spiritual context with guidance from the Holy Spirit.
 
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SpoonJuly

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It is true that education does not always lead to a proper understand of the Word nor the world. However, to know about the world requires education.

As for an understanding of the Word, God states that He creates mysteries and we are to solve them. The Bible is complex beyond belief, but with the guidance of the Holy Spirit through faith in God can lead to some interesting revelations.

If you want, hit me point by point, but don't hand waive...or I might ridicule you for it :)
Ok--
So explain to us your belief that the end times is more than 7 years according to Dan. 12.
Where is your proof that the first seal has already been opened.
 
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SpoonJuly

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I laid out the scriptures that I used in my original posting. I did not give verses because my post is not for the lazy, it is for those who want to know the truth. And, if you are looking for the truth, you are not reading verse by verse, you are reading chapter by chapter within a historical and spiritual context with guidance from the Holy Spirit.
You have no idea how I study.
 

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1) Disagreement, when based on factual discourse, is positive. Disagreement along the lines of "you are wrong and I am right" is for gradeschool children.

2) The state of Christendom is poor. The naivete and utter lack of wisdom coming from alleged Christians is beyond appalling, it is sinful.

3) You are also a hand waiver.
4) And you appear to be a troll. They come and go around here.

For the record I never said that I was right about anything only that I disagreed with your conjecture. I never said that your were wrong either only that I disagree with you.
 

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Ok--
So explain to us your belief that the end times is more than 7 years according to Dan. 12.
Where is your proof that the first seal has already been opened.
The first seal is open 'cause he said it was open. :)