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vic1980

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The Trump Deception



History seems at times to be forgotten. And therefore as news hits the ears, some will be quick to dispose of it as nothing, or believe that it is for the “common good”. While others will hear and see the voice of the dragon a mile away.

" If the liberties of the America people are ever destroyed , they will fall by the hands of the Roman Catholic cult's clergy " General Lafayette under President George Washington​




“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.” (Revelation 13:11)​

This beast represents The United States of America once thee constitution becomes void​


Donald Trump last week sent congratulations to Pope Francis concerning his 5 year anniversary as being the Pope.

Trump said in his letter the following:

“My family and I treasure the memory of our visit to the Vatican last May. I was honored to discuss with you many of the urgent global issues of shared concern to the United States and the Holy See,”

He said furthermore: “Our conversation underscored the enduring importance of moral leadership in the international community, and of our continued close cooperation as we work to advance peace and defend human freedom around the world,” he continued.


Trump Working with Pope to “Defend Freedom” and “Conscience”?

If it is a “continued close co-operation” to “defend human freedom around the world.” Then obviously it has been going on for some time between Trump and Francis. When Trump went to the Vatican last year, Pope Francis gifted Trump with his encyclical on the environment. Since then America seemed to be the blunt of disaster after disaster during hurricane season last year.

Perhaps Trump may side with Vatican City King , if things continue upon that path. What if Trump uphold his encyclical on the environment , called Ladato si' that calls everyone to keep Sunday as a day to rest . Not only for the family but the earth. Giving the Papacy power over the constitution of the united states and it's people ???


But again, furthermore concerning Trumps congratulatory letter, according to CRUX News , “May 24, Trump and Francis met for their first encounter and pledged their “joint commitment in favor of life, and freedom of worship and conscience.”

Why is Trump working closely with the Vatican to protect freedom of worship and conscience?

Especially when the Papacy is so notorious for failing to respect the consciences of men. Maybe Trump isn’t familiar with history. Pope Francis has come out and said publicly that religion should not be confined to personal conscience.


As of May 2018 Vatican has tried erase this statement from there website but there are many that have spoken upon it.​


Regarding Pope Francis view on conscience he has said concerning the orderly development of “a civil, pluralistic society requires” that the “authentic spirit of religion” not be “confined” to “personal conscience but that its significant role in the construction of society is recognized,” said Pope Francis in remarks to the Italian president.

In other words sometimes conscience needs to be set aside for the common good of society.

World Leaders Looking to Francis for Moral Leadership

Not only is Donald Trump looking to Pope Francis for moral leadership, but European Union leaders are looking to Pope Francis to guide them. In an article entitled “Divine intervention! EU leaders will turn to the POPE over plans to revive struggling bloc.” We read that one “pro-EU think-tank official said that, with Barack Obama gone from the White House, the head of the Catholic Church was the “only moral authority” European politicians had left to follow.” Furthermore, we read a quote from leader Joseph Muscat who said: “I do think he [Pope Francis] is the ultimate world leader that within the circumstances has the skills and the vision to say things that transcend the obvious and banalities we all say in politics.”

What does this “moral leadership” or “moral government” involve?

Sunday Rest Defends Human Freedom

This was printed a few months back concerning the recent Poland Sunday laws. Firstly, the title of the article says quite a bit. The article from CBN the Christian Broadcasting Network which I am about to quote from is called “Returning to the Bible, Poland Reclaims Sunday as a Day of Rest”. And I want you to consider carefully what it says remembering that Donald Trump is working with Pope Francis in “close cooperation as we (Him and Francis) work to advance peace and defend human freedom around the world.”

But this event has been in thee works for quite some time , in a article written back in 2012 “ Pope Benedict said that in defending Sunday as a day of rest, one “defends human freedom.””. You can read the link here.

Maybe you want to read that again. Sunday laws “defend human freedom” according to the Papacy, and Trump says he is working closely with Pope Francis to “defend human freedom.” Consider it carefully.

Why are thee american presidents working closely , with a power , that has always in time past persecuted those that did not waiver according to her decree .



Be aware Laudato si ' has nothing to do with Honoring God , but a deception that will lead many into the broad road that leads to destruction. No man made institution can force you to keep a certain day to worship God. For this is a personal decision upon thee believer as The Holy Scriptures has addressed in time past.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Here is thee Papacy encyclical if you would like to read it yourself : Laudato si' (24 May 2015) | Francis

Shalom​
 

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I don't know about the catholic church but I do know know that Trump is the most non christian president we have ever had. the things he does that seem to be fore the church is all for their vote period heck what 8 years ago he was pro choice .
 

OstrichSmiling

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Just be aware please that this thread is an installment of an anti-Trump movement of the same name that appears on the Web. LINK

What the deep left MSM false news reporting outlets hope is that the American public is daft. And as such we forget that for a person to actually enter the highest office they must first pass a background check so as to receive the highest security clearance in U.S government.
This reminder is how the discerning Christian is able to dismiss the false news reporting and anti-Trump campaign for what it is worth.
 

vic1980

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Just be aware please that this thread is an installment of an anti-Trump movement of the same name that appears on the Web. LINK

What the deep left MSM false news reporting outlets hope is that the American public is daft. And as such we forget that for a person to actually enter the highest office they must first pass a background check so as to receive the highest security clearance in U.S government.
This reminder is how the discerning Christian is able to dismiss the false news reporting and anti-Trump campaign for what it is worth.
This thread has no association with a anti trump movement , neither a deep state left or right clash , nor has it anything to do with msm fake news , but to alarm the believers that there is a power that want to have control of The United States of America.

This power has been in the works for quite some time , it has also drawn many presidents into it's worldly political views.

The Letter Trump wrote to the Papacy is in his very own words , this is not fake news. He is clarifying that he has created a joint movement with the Papacy , and as i stated on thee original thread , what if he adopts the papacy encyclical .

Trump is Jesuit trained , and his religious advisers are not for the Constitution , but for Church & State to unite. If the founding Fathers of America would have seen this , it would be consider treason against the people of america.

Shalom
 

vic1980

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Samuel Morse



And do Americans need to be told what JESUITS are ? If any are IGNORANT , let them inform themselves of their history without delay ; No time is to be lost ... a sort of masonic order with super added features of revolting odiousness , and a thousand times more dangerous ... They are about in all of your society , they can assume any character , that of Angels of light or ministers of darkness , to accomplish their one great end , the service upon which they are sent , whatever that service may be.

Bound to no family , community , or country , by the ordinary ties that bind men ; and sold for life to the cause of the Roman Pontiff .


Foreign Conspiracy against the Liberties of the United States, Library of Congress,1835, Samuel F. Morse

http://archive.org/details/foreignconspiracy00mors
 

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This thread has no association with a anti trump movement , neither a deep state left or right clash , nor has it anything to do with msm fake news , but to alarm the believers that there is a power that want to have control of The United States of America.

This power has been in the works for quite some time , it has also drawn many presidents into it's worldly political views.

The Letter Trump wrote to the Papacy is in his very own words , this is not fake news. He is clarifying that he has created a joint movement with the Papacy , and as i stated on thee original thread , what if he adopts the papacy encyclical .

Trump is Jesuit trained , and his religious advisers are not for the Constitution , but for Church & State to unite. If the founding Fathers of America would have seen this , it would be consider treason against the people of america.

Shalom
Your entire post demonstrates this thread has every association with the anti-Trump movement.
Conspiracy theory, to the point of absurd. The former president did commit on the record what would qualify as treason. This president is hoping to reverse that agenda.

Readers may have a look at the "jesuit" conspiracy theory easily found on the net. Nothing is credible.

Perhaps this is the next prong of anti-Trump attack. "He's a secret Jesuit!!" One wonders if his accusers know what the Jesuit order is.
 

vic1980

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J.A. Wylie is without question the most credible source in this priceless masterpiece the History of Protestantism vol I II III , i would suggest you to have a look at what this historian had to share.​



Don Inigo Lopez de Recalde , the Ignatius Loyola of history was the founder of the order of Jesus , or the Jesuits. These new solders did more than all the armies of France and Spain to stem the tide of Protestant success , and bind victory once more to the banners of Rome .


- History of Protestantism , Vol. II By J.A. Wylie p. 337
If you continue , in your attempt to make it seem that this thread is a far left attack on thee right , you have not grasp what is being presented to you. As i have stated above there are many presidents that have sided with the Papacy.

Knowing thee history of the Papacy , it has always used , political power to do its biding , and thee american presidents , have given her much room to flourish in this Land of Liberty.

Thee current President is surrounded by false teachers , so what fruit do you think will grow ??? Please examine what is being presented to you.
 

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"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries." -James Madison

If you don't know history , it is highly probable , that it will be repeated.

 

OstrichSmiling

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J.A. Wylie is without question the most credible source in this priceless masterpiece the History of Protestantism vol I II III , i would suggest you to have a look at what this historian had to share.​



Don Inigo Lopez de Recalde , the Ignatius Loyola of history was the founder of the order of Jesus , or the Jesuits. These new solders did more than all the armies of France and Spain to stem the tide of Protestant success , and bind victory once more to the banners of Rome .


- History of Protestantism , Vol. II By J.A. Wylie p. 337
If you continue , in your attempt to make it seem that this thread is a far left attack on thee right , you have not grasp what is being presented to you. As i have stated above there are many presidents that have sided with the Papacy.

Knowing thee history of the Papacy , it has always used , political power to do its biding , and thee american presidents , have given her much room to flourish in this Land of Liberty.

Thee current President is surrounded by false teachers , so what fruit do you think will grow ??? Please examine what is being presented to you.
Thank you for the information. :)

Did you click my post that you quoted? It links.
 

OstrichSmiling

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Church and state united? Wont happen!
Thank God.

Establishment Clause
The First Amendment's Establishment Clause prohibits the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion.
Although some government action implicating religion is permissible, and indeed unavoidable, it is not clear just how much the Establishment Clause tolerates. In the past, the Supreme Court has permitted religious invocations to open legislative session, public funds to be used for private religious school bussing and textbooks, and university funds to be used to print and public student religious groups' publications. Conversely, the Court has ruled against some overtly religious displays at courthouses, state funding supplementing teacher salaries at religious schools, and some overly religious holiday decorations on public land.
One point of contention regarding the Establishment Clause is how to frame government actions that implicate religion. Framing questions often arise in the context of permanent religious monuments on public land. Although it is reasonably clear that cities cannot install new religious monuments, there is fierce debate over whether existing monuments should be removed. When the Supreme Court recently considered this issue in Van Orden v. Perry, 545 U.S. 677 (2005), and McCreary County v. ACLU, 545 U.S. 844 (2005), it did not articulate a clear general standard for deciding these types of cases. The Court revisited this issue in Salazar v. Buono (08-472), a case which considered the constitutionality of a large white Christian cross erected by members of the Veterans of Foreign Wars on federal land in the Mojave Desert. While five justices concluded that a federal judge erred in barring a congressionally ordered land transfer which would place the memorial on private land, there was no majority reasoning as to why. Three Justices held that the goal of avoiding governmental endorsement of religion does not require the destruction of religious symbols in the private realm, while Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas concluded that the plaintiff lacked standing to bring this complaint.
 

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Thank God.

Establishment Clause
The First Amendment's Establishment Clause prohibits the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion.
Although some government action implicating religion is permissible, and indeed unavoidable, it is not clear just how much the Establishment Clause tolerates. In the past, the Supreme Court has permitted religious invocations to open legislative session, public funds to be used for private religious school bussing and textbooks, and university funds to be used to print and public student religious groups' publications. Conversely, the Court has ruled against some overtly religious displays at courthouses, state funding supplementing teacher salaries at religious schools, and some overly religious holiday decorations on public land.
One point of contention regarding the Establishment Clause is how to frame government actions that implicate religion. Framing questions often arise in the context of permanent religious monuments on public land. Although it is reasonably clear that cities cannot install new religious monuments, there is fierce debate over whether existing monuments should be removed. When the Supreme Court recently considered this issue in Van Orden v. Perry, 545 U.S. 677 (2005), and McCreary County v. ACLU, 545 U.S. 844 (2005), it did not articulate a clear general standard for deciding these types of cases. The Court revisited this issue in Salazar v. Buono (08-472), a case which considered the constitutionality of a large white Christian cross erected by members of the Veterans of Foreign Wars on federal land in the Mojave Desert. While five justices concluded that a federal judge erred in barring a congressionally ordered land transfer which would place the memorial on private land, there was no majority reasoning as to why. Three Justices held that the goal of avoiding governmental endorsement of religion does not require the destruction of religious symbols in the private realm, while Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas concluded that the plaintiff lacked standing to bring this complaint.
Its a shame they took prayer out of schools and most kids dont know the pledge of allegence and what it means..however..government can make all the laws they want..enforcing them can be sticky
 

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Its a shame they took prayer out of schools and most kids dont know the pledge of allegence and what it means..however..government can make all the laws they want..enforcing them can be sticky
They can never take prayer out of school. Every Christian child in a public school is able to pray anytime they wish.
In fact, if we come to think about it, the old way of that moment of silence, or prayer led over the school intercom, was not in keeping with scriptures. So that it is no longer in practice, leading the entire school in a prayer over the intercom, is a positive in a Biblical sense.

"And when you pray, be not like the pretenders who like to stand in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets to pray, that they may be seen by the children of men, and truly I say to you, they have received their reward.But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." Matthew 6:5-6
 

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They can never take prayer out of school. Every Christian child in a public school is able to pray anytime they wish.
In fact, if we come to think about it, the old way of that moment of silence, or prayer led over the school intercom, was not in keeping with scriptures. So that it is no longer in practice, leading the entire school in a prayer over the intercom, is a positive in a Biblical sense.

"And when you pray, be not like the pretenders who like to stand in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets to pray, that they may be seen by the children of men, and truly I say to you, they have received their reward.But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." Matthew 6:5-6
It may be "accepted" by government but litterally in the school itself its looked down upon.. N i dont think leading a school in a unified prayer is the same as religious pioty..lol..i think the intercom is a means if necessuty..lol..and..if the only time you pray is in secret behind closed doirs..what do you do in church? We are supposed to pray "unceasingly"..at work..washing dishes..mowing the yard etc..oesnt mean everyone prefers to pray OUT LOUD but they ould..God hears the prayers of our hearts which CAN be different than the prayers uttered with our mouths
 

Jewel5712

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It may be "accepted" by government but litterally in the school itself its looked down upon.. N i dont think leading a school in a unified prayer is the same as religious pioty..lol..i think the intercom is a means if necessuty..lol..and..if the only time you pray is in secret behind closed doirs..what do you do in
church? We are supposed to pray "unceasingly"..at work..washing dishes..mowing the yard etc..oesnt mean everyone prefers to pray OUT LOUD but they ould..God hears the prayers of our hearts which CAN be different than the prayers uttered with our mouths
NOT praying unceasingly? Youre missin out!
 

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The Waldensian trusted the LORD in times of trouble



“Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.” James 1:12
For those who want to be truly faithful to Christ , in the closing of world history , it is important to note of the accusations Rome had against the Waldensian, due that history will repeat itself.

The Waldensian were exceedingly hated by the monks and clergy of the Church of Rome , who called them heretics. There heresy consisted in the belief of the truth as set fourth in the Bible , and in their contempt of many ceremonies and practices of Roman Catholics . Whatever was preached without Scripture proof was no better than fables.

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- Pierre and His Family , a story of the Waldenses - p . 11



U.S. Secretary of State says Catholic Church has “central role” in fight for religious freedom




Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Pope Francis and the Catholic Church have a “central role” in promoting religious liberty.

Pompeo was speaking to Vatican News - the official news service of the Vatican’s Dicastery for Communication - ahead of the first Ministerial to Advance Religious Freedom, taking place in Washington, D.C., from July 24-26.

The state department has invited foreign ministers from over 40 countries, international organization representatives, religious leaders, and civil society representatives “to discuss challenges, identify concrete ways to combat religious persecution and discrimination, and ensure greater respect for religious freedom for all.”

Pompeo also said that he thinks religious freedom, human rights, and economic interests are “deeply connected.”

We think that religious freedom and human rights and economic success are deeply connected, deeply tied, and we think it benefits American foreign policy to reinforce this,” said Pompeo.

“There are countries that share America’s understanding of that, there are those who don’t, and we want to move each of them in the right direction towards increasing - increasing religious freedom. People of all faiths should have the right to worship as they please, or if they choose not to, they should be permitted to do that as well,” Pompeo continued.





Mike Pompeo is clearly setting a open door , for foreign ministers along with religious leaders , to take the advice of the Roman Catholic Church under the marching orders of the Papacy. Now in order for this to be a possibility in America , it seems that the foundation , that the founding fathers have set are crumbling right before the American people eyes.

My thoughts on this issue , if these two powers combine , they will destroy religious liberty. Mike Pompeo right now is gathering civil leaders and church leaders , leading them towards to the Papacy and his policies to fight for freedom in the area of religions , but what are the policies that are on the table Laudato si' papacy encyclical .

If you have read this encyclical , then you are aware , of how the devil has crafted his personal day of rest
, to those that dwell upon the earth to ensure peace and safety to all. But in reality this is nothing new , for as in times past Caesars have issued edicts to the nation , and when others were not in compliance with the law's persecution arose.


How can the Roman Catholic Church , champion of persecution , ensure religious freedom ? While her history has shown , in time past that she has influence governors , civil leader , along with kings directing them to have intolerance against freedom of religion and oppose it , for over a millennium.

If you have been following my threads from last year , then you have a clear understanding of what is being presented here , seeing that church and state are uniting , slowly but surely the end result is persecution. But these things have to occur in order that the prophecy may come to pass.


Revelations 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

We have to be reminded , that the current president , letter to Pope Francis has address very clear there objectives. Donald Trump is working with Pope Francis in “close cooperation as we (Him and Francis) work to advance peace and defend human freedom around the world.”

This makes me ponder what will occur to those countries that do not comply with the Roman pontiff and the presidents views , on religious liberties , will this be thee new standard for war ? If this view becomes a reality , then we can be assure that this is what the LORD has told us ahead of time in His Word.

Revelation 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.




Let us take close examination on events , ahead in the horizon , for America in the coming months ...​

Shalom​