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cobalt1959

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Ok, I've just re-read it and because it was written before John's revelation I thein the part of the Hebrews that will be saved is the 144,000 that are taken with the first resurrection and the rapture. That the only way to be saved after is to refuse to worship the beast or take the mark unto death.

And that being a born again Gentile my self. I can only carry the message of salvation or pity to those who won't receive it. I am not an anti Semite nor any other genealogical group of people. Those who don't receive the Lord before the first death will face judgment will be dealt with very harshly but some will still rise with the second resurrection when the devil is loosed upon us and them again. Then the final judgement will occur and the wheat will be sepperated from the wheat and the weeds will be burned.

Most of the Jews that have or will be saved will be taken in the rapture and all who are left will have to suffer the tribulation. I THINK. I don't claim to be an expert on the end times and I've been taught pre, mid and late trib., rapture theories. So I'll admit that 'I' certainly can't claim to know for sure.
God's promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are irrevocable. They were not contingent upon what Israel either did or did not do. The promises themselves God would always fulfill, both good and bad. Since many prophesies and promises in regards to both Israel, and Jesus have not yet been fulfilled, this means God will fulfill them, in the future, just as He has always promised. To teach anything else is to call God a liar. That is not a good position to be in.

You may not be anti-Semitic, but Replacement Theology is a decidedly ant-Semitic theology. It removes God's promised inheritance to Israel, and Jesus and arbitrarily assigns them to the Church. People may believe that is what is going to happen, but believing it does not make it so, and the people practicing this messed-up theology are in for one hell of a shock. This theology's roots were planted by the Catholic Church because the RCC hated the Jews. The RCC, Augustine, and Origen also gave us allegorical biblical interpretation and Amillennialism, all designed to take God's promises away from Israel, and Jesus, and give them to the church. It is a man-made doctrine from the word "go."

In the second paragraph, you have your eschatology hopelessly tangled. No one at the White Throne Judgment is saved, or spared. Every single person at the White Throne Judgment, the "second death" goes to hell. Every single one of them. This is at the end of the 1000 year reign. The separation of the wheat and the tares occurs before the 1000 year reign, at the end of the Tribulation.

The 144,000 could not be taken at the Rapture. The Rapture occurs before the tribulation, and even if you want to teach a mid-tribulation scenario, you HAVE to have a Rapture before the sixth seal is opened. The 144,000 are not chosen until after the 6th seal is opened, and these are chosen to spread the Gospel. Everything after the 6th seal is directly the Wrath of God, and people saved during the Church Age, if they were still on the Earth have to be either divinely protected from all harm, or removed from the Earth before the 6th seal is opened because we are not allowed to receive direct wrath from God. A Rapture for Church Age believers anywhere after the 6th seal directly violates scripture and God's promises to the Church. There is no need for the Church during the End Times because the entire focus is once again on Israel and their final and complete redemption. Yes, 3/4's of them will die, but that is not the point. The point is, God redeems them and gives them their promised inheritance. And if you believe that He does not, then you should also consider the possibility that a god who would not keep his promises to one group of people might not keep them for another group of people either. Is that what you believe? You can't have it both ways.
 

calibob

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God's promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are irrevocable. They were not contingent upon what Israel either did or did not do. The promises themselves God would always fulfill, both good and bad. Since many prophesies and promises in regards to both Israel, and Jesus have not yet been fulfilled, this means God will fulfill them, in the future, just as He has always promised. To teach anything else is to call God a liar. That is not a good position to be in.

You may not be anti-Semitic, but Replacement Theology is a decidedly ant-Semitic theology. It removes God's promised inheritance to Israel, and Jesus and arbitrarily assigns them to the Church. People may believe that is what is going to happen, but believing it does not make it so, and the people practicing this messed-up theology are in for one hell of a shock. This theology's roots were planted by the Catholic Church because the RCC hated the Jews. The RCC, Augustine, and Origen also gave us allegorical biblical interpretation and Amillennialism, all designed to take God's promises away from Israel, and Jesus, and give them to the church. It is a man-made doctrine from the word "go."

In the second paragraph, you have your eschatology hopelessly tangled. No one at the White Throne Judgment is saved, or spared. Every single person at the White Throne Judgment, the "second death" goes to hell. Every single one of them. This is at the end of the 1000 year reign. The separation of the wheat and the tares occurs before the 1000 year reign, at the end of the Tribulation.

The 144,000 could not be taken at the Rapture. The Rapture occurs before the tribulation, and even if you want to teach a mid-tribulation scenario, you HAVE to have a Rapture before the sixth seal is opened. The 144,000 are not chosen until after the 6th seal is opened, and these are chosen to spread the Gospel. Everything after the 6th seal is directly the Wrath of God, and people saved during the Church Age, if they were still on the Earth have to be either divinely protected from all harm, or removed from the Earth before the 6th seal is opened because we are not allowed to receive direct wrath from God. A Rapture for Church Age believers anywhere after the 6th seal directly violates scripture and God's promises to the Church. There is no need for the Church during the End Times because the entire focus is once again on Israel and their final and complete redemption. Yes, 3/4's of them will die, but that is not the point. The point is, God redeems them and gives them their promised inheritance. And if you believe that He does not, then you should also consider the possibility that a god who would not keep his promises to one group of people might not keep them for another group of people either. Is that what you believe? You can't have it both ways.
I was taught 3 tribulation scenarios. The one that makes the most sense to me is mid trib. And Only the born again Hebrew descendants will receive the promised inheritance because they will be taken out before the final destruction of the rest of all mankind. but those who are put to the sword for not worshiping the beast or taking the mark may get another chance after the rest are killed.
 
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This thread has no association with a anti trump movement , neither a deep state left or right clash , nor has it anything to do with msm fake news , but to alarm the believers that there is a power that want to have control of The United States of America.

This power has been in the works for quite some time , it has also drawn many presidents into it's worldly political views.

The Letter Trump wrote to the Papacy is in his very own words , this is not fake news. He is clarifying that he has created a joint movement with the Papacy , and as i stated on thee original thread , what if he adopts the papacy encyclical .

Trump is Jesuit trained , and his religious advisers are not for the Constitution , but for Church & State to unite. If the founding Fathers of America would have seen this , it would be consider treason against the people of america.

Shalom
May I beg to differ about Trump being Jesuit educated.
I am not sure how the Jesuit have come across to outsiders but here in Italy they are famous for being highly educated and very deceiving.
Maybe you could put Kissinger in that list, even Obama who was used for his black colour to mean Change was coming - but not President Trump, he lacks the highly educated side of the Jesuit upbringing, so that's to be considered.
Uniting Church and State would seem more like a New World Order plan, in this we may consider President Trump as part of the story, mainly because those that were not part of the plot wouldn't have been allowed to reach the Presidency.

I have studied the new candidates, Andrew Yang seems the most Christian to me in his approach, forgiving and honest, hoping to build a better world for all, wanting to fight poverty - all very Christian ideals.

I would like to think President Trump's presidency closed with this term, he has not been good for the image of America outside the borders, that position should be covered by a man of substance that wants peace and the well being of all equally and leads the world in that direction.
I am sure President Trump's personal tweets will become a subject of study in universities around the world about what a President Should Never even think, never mind say, let alone tweet.
 

vic1980

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Uniting Church and State would seem more like a New World Order plan, in this we may consider President Trump as part of the story, mainly because those that were not part of the plot wouldn't have been allowed to reach the Presidency.
I am glad that you have acknowledge those truths ... As for a majority that are here on cc site , those that are Republican or Democrat , very soon you will come to a understanding that both parties are united for the same goals.

The corrupted church will elevate it's candidate to fulfill it purpose and thee prophecy that are written in the book of Revelations shall be fulfilled ....

Shalom/ Blessings
 

Blade

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Stating facts based on nothing more then speculation is not truth. "you will come to a understanding that both parties are united for the same goals. " who did you talk to? Do any of them get a say in what and how you talk about them? Some believe in trust in Jesus Christ as lord. You pass judgement on them .. never once talking to them. Same with Trump, Mike, Pope..etc

Speculation "The corrupted church " really? There are over 29 million Churches in the world. How many alone are hidden in China, Iran etc? You lump all into one. How many did you talk to meet with in your own city? Then and forgive me but if its not true then its a lie. Each get a say.

Take this with a grain of salt. A preacher had so many letters (mail) from people all over and just to many to just read each one. He said Christ just showed up. The preacher was about to just lay hands on them and pray because there were so many. He said Jesus bend down and open and read each one.

heard all this before with past presidents and other Popes. :) But this time its the truth :) I will say the enemy is pushing for world order before the appointed time. Its not time yet. Fact God can have this last another 30 years and still be in line with the word. Do the people around us know Jesus as lord?

So many things talked about here.. GOD will not talk about. He alone knows. And yeah. hes not sharing. So some run with speculation. I remember I got in so much trouble in the past on "Christian sites" where they KNEW Obama was the antichrist. Just and only telling them.. hes not the antichrist and we should pray love.... yeah just that got banned and.. I can still remember reading "When I first saw his face I had this awful feeling. I just knew it then. I can't even look at his face any more". <---you'd be shocked at how many believed this.

Love.. fruits of the spirit.. all these also must be used from the start. God has said things to president Trump. See those people God open the doors so they could talk to him face to face. Same with the pope. See GOD talks face to face never speculation. Forgive me not here to offend. I believe each should have the right to defend themselves.
 
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Is brother DC around here anymore? I never see him nor Lady Blue (bug). I've been wondering where some of us old timers have gone...
I am around....just not posting much due to various reasons.....cough cough!!!!!!!!! I would love to list the reasons, but would get banned if I did!
 

vic1980

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Galatians 1:8

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

It is very sorrowful to see many Christians falling into the deception that was arrange by the adversary . For many things have been uncovered that point us to the direction were the world and the United States are headed , for within the scriptures in the book of Revelation , we are given clarity of all things that will occur.

Here is a example of deceiver's that claim they are in the faith , but they preach another Gospel ...


If you did not take the time to examine what both these men have stated then there is nothing to address to reply to ...

Shalom






 

calibob

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Galatians 1:8

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

It is very sorrowful to see many Christians falling into the deception that was arrange by the adversary . For many things have been uncovered that point us to the direction were the world and the United States are headed , for within the scriptures in the book of Revelation , we are given clarity of all things that will occur.

Here is a example of deceiver's that claim they are in the faith , but they preach another Gospel ...


If you did not take the time to examine what both these men have stated then there is nothing to address to reply to ...

Shalom
I'm still listening but bored so far, A little too Catholic but that's tolerable. I used to be one too.

Skip my anti-Vatican feelings. I don't know much about Biden. Trump is a Clever, manipulative, lying, con man. so self absorbed that he probably believes what he is saying. I believe that he's a menace to our society. I predict that he will veto the covid relief/stimulus funds. So he can punish us for not voting for not voting for him.

I could be wrong, but usually I'm closer to correct than not; Trump seems to me like an alcoholic that denies a drinking problem; If you had my wife. my job, my kids, my car, bills, parents... He can't see that his main problem, is with himself.

He's under the influence of himself. I actually have gone from anger to pity for. He's sick and needs help. The 25th amendment would work but our slow lazy Congress would let a building burn down before deciding to put the fire out. The party line seems more important than the emergency!

Yea, I'm angry, you should be too!
 

vic1980

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I'm still listening but bored so far, A little too Catholic but that's tolerable. I used to be one too.
It took me quite a while to finish this video , for i can not stand men that are deceivers ...

Skip my anti-Vatican feelings. I don't know much about Biden. Trump is a Clever, manipulative, lying, con man. so self absorbed that he probably believes what he is saying. I believe that he's a menace to our society.
Here is something of use for you calibob Biden is good friends with the Papacy , as for Trump he has open the doors for the roman catholic clergy ...



I predict that he will veto the covid relief/stimulus funds. So he can punish us for not voting for not voting for him.
I am not sure upon these things , but i am aware that many at this moment as we are typing are in need of help , for so many children and younger adults have lost everything due to these illegal shut downs ...

I could be wrong, but usually I'm closer to correct than not; Trump seems to me like an alcoholic that denies a drinking problem; If you had my wife. my job, my kids, my car, bills, parents... He can't see that his main problem, is with himself.
It is nothing more than sin , just as the scripture have stated the mindset of a unbeliever ...

He's under the influence of himself. I actually have gone from anger to pity for. He's sick and needs help. The 25th amendment would work but our slow lazy Congress would let a building burn down before deciding to put the fire out. The party line seems more important than the emergency!
There are only less than a hand of individuals that care about the amendment or constitution that are in Congress at this moment ...

Yea, I'm angry, you should be too!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts calibob and welcome to this thread , as for anger this only applies to the men that claim to be Christian that close the churches down. They did not take a stand for Jesus Christ . But this shows clearly who would stand for truth and not bow down to draconian laws ...
 

kaylagrl

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I don't know much about Biden.
Funny how you "know" everything about Trump but nothing about Biden. Like the same things you claim about Trump could also be thrown at Biden. Liar, conman, self absorbed, etc. (if you don't vote for me, you ain't black) I don't there's any more menace to society right now than Biden/Harris. We can start with abortion, move on to socialism, defunding police, abolishing ICE, free healthcare for illegal immigrants, just to name a few. When they thought Trump might win they were boarding up their businesses, what was that "punishment" about huh?



I could be wrong, but usually I'm closer to correct than not; Trump seems to me like an alcoholic that denies a drinking problem; If you had my wife. my job, my kids, my car, bills, parents... He can't see that his main problem, is with himself.
Kind of a bad comparison for a man that doesn't drink because he lost his brother to alcoholism. He's not the problem. The problem is from the moment he came down the escalator in 2016 the radical left decided they weren't going to accept him as president. They did all they could do to kneecap him. The MSM wouldn't say a kind word about him if he bought world peace, cured cancer and famine all at once. Epitome of evil.




IHe's under the influence of himself. I actually have gone from anger to pity for. He's sick and needs help. The 25th amendment would work but our slow lazy Congress would let a building burn down before deciding to put the fire out. The party line seems more important than the emergency!
HE'S sick and needs help?! hahahahhaa Some people are beyond me. smh


Yea, I'm angry, you should be too!
Oh, I'm angry all right!! It ain't over till it's over. And when it is I pray you have a whole lot more to be angry about!!
 

calibob

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Funny how you "know" everything about Trump but nothing about Biden.

Oh, I'm angry all right!! It ain't over till it's over. And when it is I pray you have a whole lot more to be angry about!!
It's kind of hard not to know much about Trump. He's been in the news every night for over four years. I never said much about Biden. I didn't vote for him either. rather than others who choose one candidate to oppose another then get angry when it backfires. If I can't vote for either one I'll let someone who hopefully knows better than I, do it. So I didn't choose Biden in order to sabotage Trump. I think that's a very ignorant way to pick a candidate. I didn't vote for Hillary or Bernie either.

I did vote for Obama and was sadly disappointed. My Daughter was a team leader/supervisor at an Obama care call center for several years. She never did figure out how it worked. She is a fluent English-Spanish translator and is very skilled in computer applications. They asked her a question or more she entered the questions and read and or translated the answers back to them. It was beyond Rube Goldberg complicated. I was probably designed to fail on purpose.

Abortion and more gay rights are two of the reasons I wouldn't have voted for any democratic candidate.

I strongly oppose trickle down economics. It simply dosn't work.

I wish either party had picked a better candidate. If FDR was still alive I'd limp a mile with my brace and cane to vote for him. Because he really did get the USA back on it's feet. We have several huge crisis's that needed to be dealt with before c19. Now it's getting worse. America needs to wake up and smell the coffee, it's burning!
 
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I don't know about the catholic church but I do know know that Trump is the most non christian president we have ever had. the things he does that seem to be fore the church is all for their vote period heck what 8 years ago he was pro choice .
The Roman Catholic church claims that the Pope IS GOD.

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."
Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V.


Salvation, according to RCC doctrine, is submission and surrender to the authority of the Pope. Jesus Christ has nothing to do with it.

POTUS is a middle management position.

It doesn't matter who sits at the Resolute Desk. Unelected powers of the military-industrial complex (defined by President Eisenhower), the intelligence community (legalized under President Harry Truman in 1948) and the financial cartel (established during the administration of President Woodrow Wilson) all determine major policy of the United States. Congress and the White House are subservient to the three major unelected components of American social political and financial power. (also referred to as The Deep State)

For instance, major policy of the United States with regard to its role in the international community hasn't changed in seventy years despite whoever gets elected to whatever position.

For instance, a junior congressman stopped a member of the CIA in a hallway and began to assert his opinion of the errors of the ways of the intelligence community. The CIA agent laughed in his face. "We were here long before you came," he said. "And we'll be here long after you're gone."

Biblically the entire process of national prayer is being addressed incorrectly.

According to the Bible, a great deal of humble repentance must precede any divine response to heal the land. I've rarely heard ANY demand for repentance among those who claim prayers for healing will be heard. God does not hear the prayers of an unrepentant nation. Do we have blessings now or do you hear about increasing violence division and wickedness in the land?

Repentance MUST come first before prayers for healing are heard in heaven.

Unfortunately America is loath to submit to that sort of self-humiliation.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

vic1980

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The 144,000 could not be taken at the Rapture. The Rapture occurs before the tribulation, and even if you want to teach a mid-tribulation scenario, you HAVE to have a Rapture before the sixth seal is opened.
What is written above is nothing more than Jesuit theology teaching that is oppose to what Jesus Christ Himself has stated how things will come about ...

Matthew 13:30

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

For clarity sake please do not twist the words of Messiah !!!

Now back to original thread !!!​
 

vic1980

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Church & State have united , now the Roman Catholic Clergy has power that Trump has acquired for them. let us see in the coming months how these thing unfold , for there is a war going on at this moment for liberty of conscience ...

Persecution is on its way , but be of good cheer for Christ is coming back !!!

Shalom​
 

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Church & State have united , now the Roman Catholic Clergy has power that Trump has acquired for them. let us see in the coming months how these thing unfold , for there is a war going on at this moment for liberty of conscience ...

Persecution is on its way , but be of good cheer for Christ is coming back !!!

Shalom​
Could you explain please?