The Trump Dictatorship

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A miscarriage is a natural reaction of the body, that cannot be helped, an abortion is a physical act!


I said a self induced miscarriage, which is an abortion by the woman herself.


It's not my place to set laws or judgment or punishment
Are you for making it illegal without any exceptions? When it is illegal, what will be the punishment that the government chooses?

What do you want the punishment to be? Can't answer? What does the Bible say that the punishment should be? Can't answer?


....our Lord has already set that up, and people are rebelling from that,
Yes, the flesh has been in rebellion against the spirit since the garden.

No one can keep the law after the flesh. Therefore we as Christians must be filled with the Spirit which is love and mercy.

Shall we hold up the law as our master? Or the love and mercy of the Holy Spirit? For the child and the woman?

Perhaps you are different. Maybe you think that there could be exceptions where an abortion would be allowed. Like rape or incest? Or if it is young girl, a 10 year old who was raped by a relative? Maybe you will say, "If it was done right away."

Or you would say to the little girl, "It was God's will that you get raped and have this child, so now you must carry the nightmare with you always." By law.

Will there be exceptions or not?


especially those on the Left.
Oh good grief! You'll have to better than call me names of people that I may, or may not, agree with.


Read your Bible, it's in there!
You will hold up the Law? Show me your love and mercy for the women and little girls! Tell me how you care about them and their soul wrenching heartbreak over something that you will never have to face.

We are talking about REAL PEOPLE here. Dear women, who are just as human as you or I, with feelings that men can NEVER FEEL! The loss that a mother feels for her child, her flesh, when she chooses to abort that child.

I am coming to believe that only women should vote on this issue. How different the vote would be.

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abcdef

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First, lets start with the first innocent victim to receive punishment, the baby.
Is a fertilized embryo a full grown baby? Is there a difference to you? There should be.

Are you a man? Can't answer?


Why is an innocent child conceived, deserve and is given the death penalty?
Are you RCC? Can't answer?


Admit you support the death penalty for the child, it is very simple.
The death of the fertilized embryo is mercy for the women and little girls.


That is the topic not anything else.
The Trump dictatorship is the topic of this thread.

Since the topic of abortion is being used as a tool by Russian/republican trolls to divide and demean Americans, it has a relation to the Trump dictatorship. But it is not the center of the thread, only a facet.

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Still can't answer?

What should the punishment be for a woman that has an abortion, or causes herself to miscarriage?

Face the consequences of what you are saying! Face your hardhearted shame.

You don't dare even to say it! Because you know very well the evil that it will unleash.

Yet you pass sentence on those women and girls who have to live with it, your sentence, that you do not dare even to say!

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......the fact that you resort to "burden" as your moral argument, which is an entirely separate argument, shows you have no moral argument to support murdering the unborn child.

An embryo at the genetic level is a human being at a different stage that is all. I could just as easily argue a one day old baby is not human because it cannot talk or feed itself.

the embryo's molecular composition is such that he or she has the internal resources to develop actively himself or herself to the next mature stage—and the typical embryo's regular, predictable and observable behaviour—that is, the embryo's actual progression through an internally coordinated and complex sequence of development to his or her mature stage.
Professor Robert P George and Professor Patrick Lee.
 
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Is a fertilized embryo a full grown baby? Is there a difference to you? There should be.

Are you a man? Can't answer?




Are you RCC? Can't answer?




The death of the fertilized embryo is mercy for the women and little girls.




The Trump dictatorship is the topic of this thread.

Since the topic of abortion is being used as a tool by Russian/republican trolls to divide and demean Americans, it has a relation to the Trump dictatorship. But it is not the center of the thread, only a facet.

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Still can't answer?

What should the punishment be for a woman that has an abortion, or causes herself to miscarriage?

Face the consequences of what you are saying! Face your hardhearted shame.

You don't dare even to say it! Because you know very well the evil that it will unleash.

Yet you pass sentence on those women and girls who have to live with it, your sentence, that you do not dare even to say!

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The conclusions I have come to when talking to you.

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abcdef

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You see now that the people who have been supporting the, make abortion illegal without exception, under all circumstances, and then punish the woman as a murderer, are not Christlike when they don't take the women and little girls unto consideration.

Every preacher should stand in the pulpit and declare openly and loudly, "abortion is murder and a sin, and the punishment will be ______________________ for all women and little girls.

I want to hear the TV preachers say it!

I want to hear it from the republican party leaders and supporters!

I want to hear it from the president!

Openly and firmly! Say it!

But you can't, you can't even write it out, here on this website. And you want people like this, to decide what the punishment should be? People who don't care what the punishment is? People who cannot even mention the women a little girls?

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There is NO REAL PLAN. Maybe death in some states and places.

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And that is the danger. That people such as these posting here would be in charge. Heartless, judgmental, and without mercy for towards the women and little girls. And most will NEVER have to face what being a woman is, because they are men and will not be subject to any of the laws and punishments that they inflict on women. That is why some want the same punishment as murder, for others, they know that they will not have to face what women or little girls face. Cruel.

That's right, cruel. Once these people get power, who knows what will happen. And maybe you say, "Well, I don't want the death penalty, or life in prison," but once you give the power to the government, all that is out of your control. Arrogant, self righteous men who will NEVER have to face any consequences of the laws and punishments that they pass, will decide for half of the population.

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As shown in the posts on this thread, this is an issue that has been used by the tares that our enemy has sown among us.

They paint anyone who opposes them as "far left radicals," which is just not true. I'm sure that there are republicans who think that abortion should not be illegal in every circumstance. People who are in the middle. Democrats and independents who believe that abortions should be legal in some circumstances.

But that is the problem. The people in charge are becoming extremists. Extremists because of Russian trolls and rite wing supremacist trolls. Pushing moderates as extremists, dividing, bullying.

You might as well tell everyone in your church to divide along party lines. All you republicans, sit here and all you evil other parties and independents, sit in the basement. Is that how it should be? But that is what the tares are doing.

And by the way, the tares are sown on both sides. Not because the really believe in what they are saying, no, their only intent is to divide at any cost. Divide the church and nations.

Many Russian professional liars aided by supremacists in other nations. Sowing seeds of hate to gain power.

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Who do you hate? Immigrants? People of a different religion? People of a different ethnic background? People who disagree about politics?

The republican party leadership has it all, pick one or more!

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People need to wake up and see how much discord hostile regimes have made possible in the western countries.

We’re easy targets because we dislike each other so much in the first place, so there’s no need for for more than a tiny spark before it’s game on. The worldly enemy knows us pretty well.

I’d like to know how many on here is on some shady payroll where the employer’s main purpose is to divide the people of another country. Hopefully none, but hatred is more of a reality these days on cc than it was, say almost six years back, whenever I first registered here.

Where does the seed of hatred come from?

I think we all know. From the man downstairs. He must be on a roll - again...
 

MichaelOwen

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People need to wake up and see how much discord hostile regimes have made possible in the western countries.

We’re easy targets because we dislike each other so much in the first place, so there’s no need for for more than a tiny spark before it’s game on. The worldly enemy knows us pretty well.

I’d like to know how many on here is on some shady payroll where the employer’s main purpose is to divide the people of another country. Hopefully none, but hatred is more of a reality these days on cc than it was, say almost six years back, whenever I first registered here.

Where does the seed of hatred come from?

I think we all know. From the man downstairs. He must be on a roll - again...

So because you feel the Left is right....you're justifying the actions of domestic terrorist groups like Antifa, Black Lives Matter, MS13, and shall I go on? The double standard and hypocrisy goes very deep within the Donkey party.
 
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So because you feel the Left is right....you're justifying the actions of domestic terrorist groups like Antifa, Black Lives Matter, MS13, and shall I go on? The double standard and hypocrisy goes very deep within the Donkey party.
Well, aren’t you sweet...

Do you agree with them, Mr Owen?

Of course you don’t, no sane person would.

Question is, though, why are you making false accusations saying I’m agreeing with the left and such groups you have mentioned? You are slandering me publicly, and for what reason?

Did you misunderstand my post on purpose just to get a chance to be standing on a box screaming nonsense from the top of your lungs? Be that why you’re saying stuff like this? Folks ain’t paying attention to you?

C’mon, tell me, I’d really like to know what makes a random guy on the internet behave like he don’t got all what belongs to him.

Bless your heart, sir.
 

MichaelOwen

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Well, aren’t you sweet...

Do you agree with them, Mr Owen?

Of course you don’t, no sane person would.

Question is, though, why are you making false accusations saying I’m agreeing with the left and such groups you have mentioned? You are slandering me publicly, and for what reason?

Did you misunderstand my post on purpose just to get a chance to be standing on a box screaming nonsense from the top of your lungs? Be that why you’re saying stuff like this? Folks ain’t paying attention to you?

C’mon, tell me, I’d really like to know what makes a random guy on the internet behave like he don’t got all what belongs to him.

Bless your heart, sir.

I'm not in want for anything, Jesus has saved my soul forever more! He gives me what I need daily. People pay attention to me, just as they pay attention to you. But the fact of the matter is, what side do you stand on?
 

abcdef

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So because you feel the Left is right....you're justifying the actions of domestic terrorist groups like Antifa, Black Lives Matter, MS13, and shall I go on? The double standard and hypocrisy goes very deep within the Donkey party.

What a perfect example of a troll.

See how there is no middle ground. If you don't do as he says, you are a terrorist, or supporting them, which is completely false.

There are many Christians who don't believe everything you do, if they disagree at all, oh, they are just evil.

He offers no compromise, no solutions, no reasoning, and accuses everyone as evil who disagrees.

He wants others to answer him, but he will not answer specific questions, as shown in his past posts.

He wants to divide, not unite, make hate and anger, not love, twist the truth, not help others see plainly.

Why should any one even try to reason with you, that there is a middle ground? You will continue to twist and turn their words of reason into your seeds of discord.

Thanks for posting so others can see the spirit, your example of what trolls really are.

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abcdef

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I'm not in want for anything, Jesus has saved my soul forever more! He gives me what I need daily. People pay attention to me, just as they pay attention to you. But the fact of the matter is, what side do you stand on?
See, no middle ground. If you don't agree with EVERYTHING he says, you are evil, and of course, he is righteous with god on his side.

Typical troll.

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MichaelOwen

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See, no middle ground. If you don't agree with EVERYTHING he says, you are evil, and of course, he is righteous with god on his side.

Typical troll.

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Really? You're gonna jump and judge me just like that? Judge not lest you be judged brother.....
 

MichaelOwen

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What a perfect example of a troll.

See how there is no middle ground. If you don't do as he says, you are a terrorist, or supporting them, which is completely false.

There are many Christians who don't believe everything you do, if they disagree at all, oh, they are just evil.

He offers no compromise, no solutions, no reasoning, and accuses everyone as evil who disagrees.

He wants others to answer him, but he will not answer specific questions, as shown in his past posts.

He wants to divide, not unite, make hate and anger, not love, twist the truth, not help others see plainly.

Why should any one even try to reason with you, that there is a middle ground? You will continue to twist and turn their words of reason into your seeds of discord.

Thanks for posting so others can see the spirit, your example of what trolls really are.

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Why don't you do ChristianChat a favor and shut your loud mouth up? Please? Your rhetoric is quite annoying.
 

abcdef

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Really? You're gonna jump and judge me just like that? Judge not lest you be judged brother.....
OK then, give me one example, where a person can disagree with you and not be branded as evil.
 

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Donald Trump is meeting with Czar Putin to finalize plans for a Trump dictatorship.

Supported by the Russians and Republicans, Trump will eliminate the Constitution and the bill of rights, and form a dictatorship, made up of extremists on the far rite. KKK, Nazi's, etc.

Citizens will have 30 days to turn in their guns. Anyone found with a gun after the 30 days will be shot immediately as a liberal terrorist.

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Abortion will be made illegal, and all unwanted children will be raised by the state and called, "Der Fuhrer's children", or "Trumps children".
Have you read your own post?....

IT IS LOL... LOL... LOL... LOL....

The bright side mothers will not MURDER THIER CHILDREN ANY MORE!!!!!
 

abcdef

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Why don't you do ChristianChat a favor and shut your loud mouth up?
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Because I'm not here for myself. I'm here to peach the gospel kingdom love of Jesus for all and to proclaim His coming. And if there are those who don't have a heart, it is my love to show love. A direct thrust, through the heart with the Holy Spirit of love.

Your words are not the words of a reasoning, healing, loving soul. Division and extremism is your message. Anger, fear, and bulling is your method.


Please? Your rhetoric is quite annoying.
There are some, who can't bear to look at love. Who say that they have the Spirit, but do not speak with the heart and mind of Christ. They speak with the words of the Scribes and Pharisees as to the Law, but like them, they do not have the heart.

You do not seem to want to bring the erring, heart broken souls to the love of Jesus. You just seem to want to hurt them, judge them, without real reasoning of how you will bring them in.

Maybe many souls would come to the love and forgiveness of Jesus, if you did not push them away.

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abcdef

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Have you read your own post?....

IT IS LOL... LOL... LOL... LOL....

The bright side mothers will not MURDER THIER CHILDREN ANY MORE!!!!!
No, it won't stop them. They will return to the back alley abortions.

And it will only be illegal for the poor. The rich will be able to travel to some where where it is legal.

So the law will only apply to the poor.

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I'm not in want for anything, Jesus has saved my soul forever more! He gives me what I need daily. People pay attention to me, just as they pay attention to you. But the fact of the matter is, what side do you stand on?
I’m happy to say that I stand on Jesus side.

What side do you stand on?
 

MichaelOwen

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I’m happy to say that I stand on Jesus side.

What side do you stand on?
I stand with Jesus, I can never repay Him what He has done for me. The best I can do is a stench in the nostrils of our Lord, but if that's what I must do, then I shall do it.

I'm not saying all Democrats are evil, because all political parties can be evil, but from my discernment, I see so much rebellion from God's word much more abundantly in the Democratic side than I do the conservative side.
 

abcdef

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I stand with Jesus, I can never repay Him what He has done for me. The best I can do is a stench in the nostrils of our Lord, but if that's what I must do, then I shall do it.
Let's hope that it is a sweet smell, filled with Holy Spirit love for all.


I'm not saying all Democrats are evil, because all political parties can be evil,
Maybe not the party's goals and ideals themselves. But some of the dishonest people within the parties.


but from my discernment, I see so much rebellion from God's word much more abundantly in the Democratic side than I do the conservative side.


I don't see it quite like that. Politicians are using religious issues to create hate, fear and distrust, with shades of legalizing discrimination, both religious and ethnic.

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The tactics and so called "Biblical" teaching regarding ethnic and religious discrimination is straight out of the KKK handbook. Please note that when these hate groups march, that they carry the flag with the cross on it. Supposedly being Christians, but hating everybody but themselves. They especially hate the Jews, do you agree?

When Christians unite with such as these, it appears as if they endorse the same beliefs.

It's kind of like the Westboro Baptists screaming at the homosexuals, "God hates you," what Christians would think that showing that kind of hate would bring anybody to the love of Jesus? Who will drink the waters of bitterness?

In the same way, many Christians are showing the same spirit towards other sinners. Yelling at them, telling them how evil they are. But not with words of love, but driving people away with words of anger, fear, and hate.

I don't see the republican party leaders as being the loving the people as they should, claiming to be the party of Jesus.

I see them screaming about how righteous they are, and how evil everybody else is who opposes them in any way.

It is the spirit of the Westboro Baptist church on a republican party wide scale, becoming national under the veil of states rights and religious rights.

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