trump is the antichrist

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God is not for Democrats or Republicans he is for all people! He would not be for a system that causes so much divide. God is not for the condemnation and judgment of others. Only God can make America great again. Every liberal dosn’t looooove abortion actually most I talk to who are Christians are sadden by it but most know that God sent his son the only spotless lamb so ALL sinners can be forgiven; that is you and me.

I’m not a Trump supporter...And before you think that the opposite of that is I am a Trump hater and a Hillary supporter. Neither of those ring true. I am a bible supporter. I pray for my leaders as God commands but God is the president of my life and He sent Jesus to show what a leader of the world should look like so I will choose to just follow HIM ahumble servant that came to serve and not to be served.

So as a fellow Christian I just want to warn you that the devil knocks on all doors...
I agree with you I think. First of all, any true bible believing Christian would not look to man or politicians for salvation in this cursed world in which we can never expect any solution advanced by human beings to produce results that actually work, long-term. As Psalm 118 puts it in verses 8 and 9:

8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes. (I liken princes as akin to today's politicians myself. They fit the role quite well, it seems.)

That said, there is nothing that I see that modern liberals offer that is biblically based. Modern liberalism to me is a reflection of the satanic notions of secular humanism. Their concepts of multiple genders, same sex marriage (a biblical oxymoron actually IMHO), Pro-Death (aka abortion), evolutionary deep time which rejects Genesis (Christ didn't btw.), godlessness, socialism which is really nothing more than legalized theft, suppression of Christian expression such as the 10 commandments and prayer in school, heavy government regulation and intervention and much more- all non-biblical in basis.

Conservatism is closer to biblically based but that depends on what you mean by a conservative. Most are a mixed version of the term that water it down. Many support the global wars that are ultimately destined to bring this nation down economically as war has done since history has been recorded. However, Christian values mesh more with traditional conservative values which promote less government from man, belief in a Christian God and more personal freedom- a concept that fits biblical values more closely.

So, I do agree that the devil knocks on all doors. Some are answered more quickly and directly than others however.

The secular humanism that infects our society today reminds me of the Book of Judges. Things kept getting progressively worse as the society declined into a morass of the embrace of all values (including pagan ones) until it finally terminated with the rape and dismemberment of the concubine and then the decimation of the tribe of Benjamin ending with "every man did that which was right in his own eyes." which reminds me of today's secular humanist value system with no absolute moral values taught throughout our secular public school system while rejecting Christianity at every turn.

Trump to me is far from the anti-Christ, but certainly should not be embraced as the savior nor the one who can MAGA. Only Christ in his return can make this planet great again. Until then we are just going to have to do the best we can.

Trump's attempts to MAGA however, do buy us a little time for now. He has eliminated 30,000 pages of a 92,000 page Federal Register so far; gotten us out of sovereignty killing agreements like the "free trade" deals which bind us with the globalist UN; ended pacts with the devil such as the Iran agreement (Anyone who believes a person of the book can make a deal with Islam has no understanding of Islam btw.); is attempting to regenerate domestic manufacturing; make peace through diplomacy before engaging in more war etc.

Do I like everything Trump is doing? No, not all. For example, I think we should get out of the Middle East and these endless wars as quickly as possible not put nearly 3/4 of a Trillion into building up our military while keeping us engaged in the Middle East. Strength through peace should come by example and continuing to engage in the Middle East is not a good example IMHO.

He inherited a very dangerous level of nearly $20 Trillion national debt. He should be reducing it by reducing the size of government while building our manufacturing capacity, not emphasizing the build-up of our military, fostering the possibility of more war in the balance. The reality is that when nation's build up militarily, they somehow (Jeremiah 17:9) get themselves into military conflicts- a temptation we need less of- not more.

Be nice if he would be moving towards getting rid of the Federal Reserve altogether which is straight out of the satanic Communist Manifesto playbook. We should generate a free market money economy in its place. I don't expect that to happen but it would be helpful to all of us. The Fed is why we have the level of debt (over $65,000 per man, woman and child) we have today.

Trump is a sinner like the rest of us. To expect perfection is silly. At least with Trump, you know what you are getting. Plain spoken, he doesn't seem to be much of a secret keeper probably because he is not a skilled politician (prince) who built his career on verbal deception as many of today's politicians have done.

Obama put on a good show while he dismantled as much of the remains of any freedom he inherited with his decidedly "progressive" (a euphemism for Marxist) agenda- building up the state and shackling the people under the coercive force of government. Bowing to Saudi Kings and making nice with Vladimir through a hands off policy, he went far in shackling this nation with regulation, more war (the Peace President?) and debt while trading away our sovereignty to the satanic "peace keeping" UN whenever he could, with more free trade deals and treaties.

Additionally, there was much deception going on behind the scenes which is now arising as the phony Russian collusion hoax unfolds. Already, 25 members of the FBI have either been fired, demoted or quit as the facts, which would never have surfaced under a Hillary Presidency continue to be uncovered. Unless the left manages to leverage control back of Congress, more will likely follow.

Yes, the devil does knock at all doors. Some however, are answered are responded to more readily. Others, less directly.

Judge a tree by its fruit as stated in Matthew for: "every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit;" Mat 7:17

What good have "progressive" ideas produced but the suppression of Christian morality and expression? At least Trump is endorsing Christian ideals something Obama hardly paid lip service to. He was more interested in promoting the "Peace of Islam" an open lie btw.

As for his past. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Wasn't the greatest King of Israel an adulterer and murderer? Did God reject him?

We all have our skeletons. God gets that. We don't for the most part.

Continuing to reject them is the battle we fight as Christians to be born again in Spirit. Seems to me that Trump is at least attempting to reject them unlike Obama who was more of a closet Muslim and Marxist than a Christian.

That's my take on this "Trump as the Anti-Christ" nonsense which is nothing more than another distraction fostered by leftists and pretty much meaningless in today's corrupt cesspool we are led to believe is "freedom".
 

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He is destroying the world one day at a time. Christians should at no time
support his evil decisions because is they do, they are complicit in ugly
reign of terror. He aligns himself with other dictators and monsters of this
world while he is more than willing to destroying any allies who are trying
to build a precious world. He is a monstrous liar, a cheat, a phoney, a con man
and the world's biggest charlatan. Christians need to immediately cease and
desist supporting this "evil one" by aiding him in his destructive ways.
I would have to greatly disagree with you. President trump is the only president who finally signed the waiver acknowledging Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and who also supports Israel in his administration as well a number of those such as Nikki Haley and Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo. No US president is going to please all of the people. There will always be division no matter who is president. I would suggest doing what God's word says to do, which is to pray for those in positions of authory, for there are no authorities except for those whom God has established.
 

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I agree with you I think. First of all, any true bible believing Christian would not look to man or politicians for salvation in this cursed world in which we can never expect any solution advanced by human beings to produce results that actually work, long-term. As Psalm 118 puts it in verses 8 and 9:

8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes. (I liken princes as akin to today's politicians myself. They fit the role quite well, it seems.)

That said, there is nothing that I see that modern liberals offer that is biblically based. Modern liberalism to me is a reflection of the satanic notions of secular humanism. Their concepts of multiple genders, same sex marriage (a biblical oxymoron actually IMHO), Pro-Death (aka abortion), evolutionary deep time which rejects Genesis (Christ didn't btw.), godlessness, socialism which is really nothing more than legalized theft, suppression of Christian expression such as the 10 commandments and prayer in school, heavy government regulation and intervention and much more- all non-biblical in basis.

Conservatism is closer to biblically based but that depends on what you mean by a conservative. Most are a mixed version of the term that water it down. Many support the global wars that are ultimately destined to bring this nation down economically as war has done since history has been recorded. However, Christian values mesh more with traditional conservative values which promote less government from man, belief in a Christian God and more personal freedom- a concept that fits biblical values more closely.

So, I do agree that the devil knocks on all doors. Some are answered more quickly and directly than others however.

The secular humanism that infects our society today reminds me of the Book of Judges. Things kept getting progressively worse as the society declined into a morass of the embrace of all values (including pagan ones) until it finally terminated with the rape and dismemberment of the concubine and then the decimation of the tribe of Benjamin ending with "every man did that which was right in his own eyes." which reminds me of today's secular humanist value system with no absolute moral values taught throughout our secular public school system while rejecting Christianity at every turn.

Trump to me is far from the anti-Christ, but certainly should not be embraced as the savior nor the one who can MAGA. Only Christ in his return can make this planet great again. Until then we are just going to have to do the best we can.

Trump's attempts to MAGA however, do buy us a little time for now. He has eliminated 30,000 pages of a 92,000 page Federal Register so far; gotten us out of sovereignty killing agreements like the "free trade" deals which bind us with the globalist UN; ended pacts with the devil such as the Iran agreement (Anyone who believes a person of the book can make a deal with Islam has no understanding of Islam btw.); is attempting to regenerate domestic manufacturing; make peace through diplomacy before engaging in more war etc.

Do I like everything Trump is doing? No, not all. For example, I think we should get out of the Middle East and these endless wars as quickly as possible not put nearly 3/4 of a Trillion into building up our military while keeping us engaged in the Middle East. Strength through peace should come by example and continuing to engage in the Middle East is not a good example IMHO.

He inherited a very dangerous level of nearly $20 Trillion national debt. He should be reducing it by reducing the size of government while building our manufacturing capacity, not emphasizing the build-up of our military, fostering the possibility of more war in the balance. The reality is that when nation's build up militarily, they somehow (Jeremiah 17:9) get themselves into military conflicts- a temptation we need less of- not more.

Be nice if he would be moving towards getting rid of the Federal Reserve altogether which is straight out of the satanic Communist Manifesto playbook. We should generate a free market money economy in its place. I don't expect that to happen but it would be helpful to all of us. The Fed is why we have the level of debt (over $65,000 per man, woman and child) we have today.

Trump is a sinner like the rest of us. To expect perfection is silly. At least with Trump, you know what you are getting. Plain spoken, he doesn't seem to be much of a secret keeper probably because he is not a skilled politician (prince) who built his career on verbal deception as many of today's politicians have done.

Obama put on a good show while he dismantled as much of the remains of any freedom he inherited with his decidedly "progressive" (a euphemism for Marxist) agenda- building up the state and shackling the people under the coercive force of government. Bowing to Saudi Kings and making nice with Vladimir through a hands off policy, he went far in shackling this nation with regulation, more war (the Peace President?) and debt while trading away our sovereignty to the satanic "peace keeping" UN whenever he could, with more free trade deals and treaties.

Additionally, there was much deception going on behind the scenes which is now arising as the phony Russian collusion hoax unfolds. Already, 25 members of the FBI have either been fired, demoted or quit as the facts, which would never have surfaced under a Hillary Presidency continue to be uncovered. Unless the left manages to leverage control back of Congress, more will likely follow.

Yes, the devil does knock at all doors. Some however, are answered are responded to more readily. Others, less directly.

Judge a tree by its fruit as stated in Matthew for: "every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit;" Mat 7:17

What good have "progressive" ideas produced but the suppression of Christian morality and expression? At least Trump is endorsing Christian ideals something Obama hardly paid lip service to. He was more interested in promoting the "Peace of Islam" an open lie btw.

As for his past. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Wasn't the greatest King of Israel an adulterer and murderer? Did God reject him?

We all have our skeletons. God gets that. We don't for the most part.

Continuing to reject them is the battle we fight as Christians to be born again in Spirit. Seems to me that Trump is at least attempting to reject them unlike Obama who was more of a closet Muslim and Marxist than a Christian.

That's my take on this "Trump as the Anti-Christ" nonsense which is nothing more than another distraction fostered by leftists and pretty much meaningless in today's corrupt cesspool we are led to believe is "freedom".
I wholeheartedly agree!!
 

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I agree with you I think. First of all, any true bible believing Christian would not look to man or politicians for salvation in this cursed world in which we can never expect any solution advanced by human beings to produce results that actually work, long-term. As Psalm 118 puts it in verses 8 and 9:

8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes. (I liken princes as akin to today's politicians myself. They fit the role quite well, it seems.)

That said, there is nothing that I see that modern liberals offer that is biblically based. Modern liberalism to me is a reflection of the satanic notions of secular humanism. Their concepts of multiple genders, same sex marriage (a biblical oxymoron actually IMHO), Pro-Death (aka abortion), evolutionary deep time which rejects Genesis (Christ didn't btw.), godlessness, socialism which is really nothing more than legalized theft, suppression of Christian expression such as the 10 commandments and prayer in school, heavy government regulation and intervention and much more- all non-biblical in basis.

Conservatism is closer to biblically based but that depends on what you mean by a conservative. Most are a mixed version of the term that water it down. Many support the global wars that are ultimately destined to bring this nation down economically as war has done since history has been recorded. However, Christian values mesh more with traditional conservative values which promote less government from man, belief in a Christian God and more personal freedom- a concept that fits biblical values more closely.

So, I do agree that the devil knocks on all doors. Some are answered more quickly and directly than others however.

The secular humanism that infects our society today reminds me of the Book of Judges. Things kept getting progressively worse as the society declined into a morass of the embrace of all values (including pagan ones) until it finally terminated with the rape and dismemberment of the concubine and then the decimation of the tribe of Benjamin ending with "every man did that which was right in his own eyes." which reminds me of today's secular humanist value system with no absolute moral values taught throughout our secular public school system while rejecting Christianity at every turn.

Trump to me is far from the anti-Christ, but certainly should not be embraced as the savior nor the one who can MAGA. Only Christ in his return can make this planet great again. Until then we are just going to have to do the best we can.

Trump's attempts to MAGA however, do buy us a little time for now. He has eliminated 30,000 pages of a 92,000 page Federal Register so far; gotten us out of sovereignty killing agreements like the "free trade" deals which bind us with the globalist UN; ended pacts with the devil such as the Iran agreement (Anyone who believes a person of the book can make a deal with Islam has no understanding of Islam btw.); is attempting to regenerate domestic manufacturing; make peace through diplomacy before engaging in more war etc.

Do I like everything Trump is doing? No, not all. For example, I think we should get out of the Middle East and these endless wars as quickly as possible not put nearly 3/4 of a Trillion into building up our military while keeping us engaged in the Middle East. Strength through peace should come by example and continuing to engage in the Middle East is not a good example IMHO.

He inherited a very dangerous level of nearly $20 Trillion national debt. He should be reducing it by reducing the size of government while building our manufacturing capacity, not emphasizing the build-up of our military, fostering the possibility of more war in the balance. The reality is that when nation's build up militarily, they somehow (Jeremiah 17:9) get themselves into military conflicts- a temptation we need less of- not more.

Be nice if he would be moving towards getting rid of the Federal Reserve altogether which is straight out of the satanic Communist Manifesto playbook. We should generate a free market money economy in its place. I don't expect that to happen but it would be helpful to all of us. The Fed is why we have the level of debt (over $65,000 per man, woman and child) we have today.

Trump is a sinner like the rest of us. To expect perfection is silly. At least with Trump, you know what you are getting. Plain spoken, he doesn't seem to be much of a secret keeper probably because he is not a skilled politician (prince) who built his career on verbal deception as many of today's politicians have done.

Obama put on a good show while he dismantled as much of the remains of any freedom he inherited with his decidedly "progressive" (a euphemism for Marxist) agenda- building up the state and shackling the people under the coercive force of government. Bowing to Saudi Kings and making nice with Vladimir through a hands off policy, he went far in shackling this nation with regulation, more war (the Peace President?) and debt while trading away our sovereignty to the satanic "peace keeping" UN whenever he could, with more free trade deals and treaties.

Additionally, there was much deception going on behind the scenes which is now arising as the phony Russian collusion hoax unfolds. Already, 25 members of the FBI have either been fired, demoted or quit as the facts, which would never have surfaced under a Hillary Presidency continue to be uncovered. Unless the left manages to leverage control back of Congress, more will likely follow.

Yes, the devil does knock at all doors. Some however, are answered are responded to more readily. Others, less directly.

Judge a tree by its fruit as stated in Matthew for: "every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit;" Mat 7:17

What good have "progressive" ideas produced but the suppression of Christian morality and expression? At least Trump is endorsing Christian ideals something Obama hardly paid lip service to. He was more interested in promoting the "Peace of Islam" an open lie btw.

As for his past. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Wasn't the greatest King of Israel an adulterer and murderer? Did God reject him?

We all have our skeletons. God gets that. We don't for the most part.

Continuing to reject them is the battle we fight as Christians to be born again in Spirit. Seems to me that Trump is at least attempting to reject them unlike Obama who was more of a closet Muslim and Marxist than a Christian.

That's my take on this "Trump as the Anti-Christ" nonsense which is nothing more than another distraction fostered by leftists and pretty much meaningless in today's corrupt cesspool we are led to believe is "freedom".
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I have been wondering if the anti-messiah has anything to do with the British Monarch? Looking at the description of that beast, that lion/leopard/bear hybrid description in Rev 13.2, that same beast description has been on some of coat of arms in relation to the British Monarch.
 

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I have been wondering if the anti-messiah has anything to do with the British Monarch? Looking at the description of that beast, that lion/leopard/bear hybrid description in Rev 13.2, that same beast description has been on some of coat of arms in relation to the British Monarch.
Only time will tell. The way the British monarchy is today they have no power but lots of influence. As Teddy Roosevelt said they heve the bully pulpit. The queen uses it judiciously.
 

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People! The 'anti-christ' in the book of Revelations has come and gone. It was emperor Nero, the number of the beast is good ol fashioned Hebrew gematria, that is why in Latin versions of the text the number is given as 616 and in Greek it is 666 - both when using gematria directly spell Kaiser Nero. The mark refers to the coins pressed by the Romans that had the 'mark' (literal translations meaning pressing or coin) of the Emperor on them (ie his head on the reverse with his official title). Further, it is also a reference to the tax that had to be paid by merchants to Rome so they could buy and sell, literally in return for paying the tax they were given a document (a licence otherwise known as a seal or mark). In a historical context this book was written at a time when Romans had outlawed Jewish currency, unfortunately this meant for the Jewish people they couldn't pay their temple taxes and tithes - the religious law forbid the use of Roman currency as it was seen as idolatrous. Thus, they began pressing their own coins in Tyre which the Romans didn't like. - You gotta read this book within it's historical context.
 
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People! The 'anti-christ' in the book of Revelations has come and gone. It was emperor Nero, the number of the beast is good ol fashioned Hebrew gematria, that is why in Latin versions of the text the number is given as 616 and in Greek it is 666 - both when using gematria directly spell Kaiser Nero. The mark refers to the coins pressed by the Romans that had the 'mark' (literal translations meaning pressing or coin) of the Emperor on them (ie his head on the reverse with his official title). Further, it is also a reference to the tax that had to be paid by merchants to Rome so they could buy and sell, literally in return for paying the tax they were given a document (a licence otherwise known as a seal or mark). In a historical context this book was written at a time when Romans had outlawed Jewish currency, unfortunately this meant for the Jewish people they couldn't pay their temple taxes and tithes - the religious law forbid the use of Roman currency as it was seen as idolatrous. Thus, they began pressing their own coins in Tyre which the Romans didn't like. - You gotta read this book within it's historical context.
Careful there partner, your ignorance of the Scripture is showing.
 

Yama

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Careful there partner, your ignorance of the Scripture is showing.
How so? I think ignorance of history is a much bigger fallacy than some ignorance of a particular interpretation - so what if you think it's a message for you today in the year 2018. It simply isn't - the book was never written for you. It was written to the early Christians living through a specific historical event and context which is clearly outlined in the book.
 
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the higher ups are chosen puppets, and those who support them are willing to give up everything
in order to support them - just think and try to find a sane reason where they go and what they give up
to get nothing in return that is Holy...
 
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How so? I think ignorance of history is a much bigger fallacy than some ignorance of a particular interpretation - so what if you think it's a message for you today in the year 2018. It simply isn't - the book was never written for you. It was written to the early Christians living through a specific historical event and context which is clearly outlined in the book.
So you believe all things fortold in Revelation has come to past.
I stand by my statement.
 

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So you believe all things fortold in Revelation has come to past.
I stand by my statement.
I didn't say that. The things written in Revelation about the Anti-Christ are referring to contemporary events occurring during the authors lifetime. The author is writing a book of encouragement for those churches living through those events. This included incorporating Gnostic imagery, elements of mystery religions and adaptions from the book of Daniel there's other apocalyptic texts from the same time with similar imagery, verses and themes that aren't included in the bible but non-the less echo similar sentiments. I don't doubt the author thought that the prophetic events about the 'end of the world' were going to happen - just like every apocalyptic cult throughout time has believed their own eschatology and have been utterly convinced of it. I also don't doubt they probably had some kind of vision - but that's not really remarkable considering human kinds affinity for visionary states of consciousness, all takes it a few of the right plants and you're communing with God/Gods, the universe, aliens etc...Obviously they were mistaken in thinking their vision of the future was coming to pass and it's a huge fallacy to read the book now in 2018 and assume that you're the intended recipient of that vision and that it's still on the table. The belief that Revelation holds some-kind of future prophecy is a relatively new theological development in the history of Christianity and really as this thread is titled a conspiracy theory...
 

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People! The 'anti-christ' in the book of Revelations has come and gone. It was emperor Nero, the number of the beast is good ol fashioned Hebrew gematria, that is why in Latin versions of the text the number is given as 616 and in Greek it is 666 - both when using gematria directly spell Kaiser Nero. The mark refers to the coins pressed by the Romans that had the 'mark' (literal translations meaning pressing or coin) of the Emperor on them (ie his head on the reverse with his official title). Further, it is also a reference to the tax that had to be paid by merchants to Rome so they could buy and sell, literally in return for paying the tax they were given a document (a licence otherwise known as a seal or mark). In a historical context this book was written at a time when Romans had outlawed Jewish currency, unfortunately this meant for the Jewish people they couldn't pay their temple taxes and tithes - the religious law forbid the use of Roman currency as it was seen as idolatrous. Thus, they began pressing their own coins in Tyre which the Romans didn't like. - You gotta read this book within it's historical context.
I'm sorry, but you are greatly mistaken! Daniel states that the ruler, the antichrist, will set up the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out on him. (Dan.9:27)

Regarding his destruction, Paul states that he will be destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the Lord. (2 Thes.2:8)

Both are referring to when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, where the antichrist and the false prophet are captured and are both thrown alive into the lake of fire. (Rev.19:20)

Therefore, since the antichrist's destruction is directly related to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, then it could not have been Nero, nor anyone else up this point, but will be a future individual who will establish his covenant with Israel for seven years. In the middle of that seven is when he will have that abomination set up in the future temple. It is also during that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, which Jesus referred to as "the great tribulation," which as the Lord said, "will be a time of great tribulation such as the world has not seen, from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again. Unless those day had been shortened, not one on the earth would survive." Needless to say, the world has yet to see this time of great tribulation, as it is still future.

As for the mark of the beast, businesses in Sweden began offering their employees chip implants under the skin of the hand for the purposes of buying products. This technology has now made its way over to the United States and will continue spread and evolve. The mark of the beast will be the device that replaces cash, checks, card swiping, cell phone bank apps. and whatever else is being used for electronic crediting and debiting. By the time that the antichrist shows up, the electronic crediting and debiting system (buying and selling) will be in place, where in the middle of the seven years, all other methods of buying and selling will be made obsolete, leaving only his mark.

The revealing of the antichrist is directly related to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. And by the "end of the age" I mean when Jesus physically and visually returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. And before Jesus can return, God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place and we certainly haven't seen them.
 

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How so? I think ignorance of history is a much bigger fallacy than some ignorance of a particular interpretation - so what if you think it's a message for you today in the year 2018. It simply isn't - the book was never written for you. It was written to the early Christians living through a specific historical event and context which is clearly outlined in the book.
The book of Revelation was written to that generation that would experience those events, which have yet to occur. The book of Revelation is divided up into three parts, for in Rev.1:19 John was told to write:

What you have seen = Everything written from Rev.1:1 to 1:19

What is now = Represented by the letters to the church and which also represents the entire church period

What will take place later
= Everything that will take place after the "what is now" i.e. after the church period

That said, we are still living in the "what is now" part of what John was told to write. Once the Lord returns and gathers His bride/church, then the "what must take place later" will begin, which includes the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the beasts kingdom.
 

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The book of Revelation was written to that generation that would experience those events, which have yet to occur. The book of Revelation is divided up into three parts, for in Rev.1:19 John was told to write:

What you have seen = Everything written from Rev.1:1 to 1:19

What is now = Represented by the letters to the church and which also represents the entire church period < according to who and how would you even prove this? That's an assumption based on flakey interpretation.

What will take place later = Everything that will take place after the "what is now" i.e. after the church period

That said, we are still living in the "what is now" part of what John was told to write. Once the Lord returns and gathers His bride/church, then the "what must take place later" will begin, which includes the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the beasts kingdom.
I'm sorry, but you are greatly mistaken! Daniel states that the ruler, the antichrist, will set up the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out on him. (Dan.9:27)

Regarding his destruction, Paul states that he will be destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the Lord. (2 Thes.2:8)

Both are referring to when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, where the antichrist and the false prophet are captured and are both thrown alive into the lake of fire. (Rev.19:20)

Therefore, since the antichrist's destruction is directly related to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, then it could not have been Nero, nor anyone else up this point, but will be a future individual who will establish his covenant with Israel for seven years. In the middle of that seven is when he will have that abomination set up in the future temple. It is also during that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, which Jesus referred to as "the great tribulation," which as the Lord said, "will be a time of great tribulation such as the world has not seen, from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again. Unless those day had been shortened, not one on the earth would survive." Needless to say, the world has yet to see this time of great tribulation, as it is still future.

As for the mark of the beast, businesses in Sweden began offering their employees chip implants under the skin of the hand for the purposes of buying products. This technology has now made its way over to the United States and will continue spread and evolve. The mark of the beast will be the device that replaces cash, checks, card swiping, cell phone bank apps. and whatever else is being used for electronic crediting and debiting. By the time that the antichrist shows up, the electronic crediting and debiting system (buying and selling) will be in place, where in the middle of the seven years, all other methods of buying and selling will be made obsolete, leaving only his mark.

The revealing of the antichrist is directly related to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. And by the "end of the age" I mean when Jesus physically and visually returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. And before Jesus can return, God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place and we certainly haven't seen them.
You're assuming I think you even have a good reason to assume the bible is a literal narrative and not a currated colleciton of human works formulated overtime with particular theological flair added and redacted....
 

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One of many indeed. And they stay close together.
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
(1Jn 4:3 KJV)
 

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How so? I think ignorance of history is a much bigger fallacy than some ignorance of a particular interpretation - so what if you think it's a message for you today in the year 2018. It simply isn't - the book was never written for you. It was written to the early Christians living through a specific historical event and context which is clearly outlined in the book.
You are trying to fit an end times prophecy to the time of Roman emperors. Your grasp of eschatology is flawed!
 

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You're assuming I think you even have a good reason to assume the bible is a literal narrative and not a currated colleciton of human works formulated overtime with particular theological flair added and redacted....
The word of God should always be interpreted literally, unless a symbolic interpretation is obvious. A good rule of thumb when reading scripture is:

"If the plain, literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense."

By your post, it appears that you do not even believe that the Bible is the word of God, but just the writings of men. If this is the case, then understanding the book of Revelation is not something that you should be concerned with, but the validity of God's word as being genuinely from Him. Regarding the word of God, scripture states the following:

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Tim.3:16)

"Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from the prophet’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." (2 Pet.1:20)

In addition, we have prophesies regarding Christ that were written well before He came into the world that foretold of Him and then we have the NT writings confirming the fulfillment of those prophesies. For example we have the following regarding Christ:

"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and she will call Him Immanuel." (Isa.7:14) Note: Immanuel means "God with us."

The above prophecy was written well before Christ was born in the flesh, which is then confirmed in the new testament:

"In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to a town in Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin pledged in marriage to a man named Joseph, who was of the house of David. And the virgin’s name was Mary. The angel appeared to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

"Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. So the angel told her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you shall give Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”

My hope is that you would repent and believe.
 
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He is destroying the world one day at a time. Christians should at no time
support his evil decisions because is they do, they are complicit in ugly
reign of terror. He aligns himself with other dictators and monsters of this
world while he is more than willing to destroying any allies who are trying
to build a precious world. He is a monstrous liar, a cheat, a phoney, a con man
and the world's biggest charlatan. Christians need to immediately cease and
desist supporting this "evil one" by aiding him in his destructive ways.
I can prove that Donald Trump isn't the Antichrist . . . the Antichrist fails in the end. Trump only knows how to WIN! MAGA!!