Ukraine the bad guy?

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cv5

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People that ARE indeed known to us that have unquestionable morals have given you their personal testimony concerning this war but instead you rely upon dubious sources on Twitter for facts?
Good to know. Thanks buddy.
But I would rather put my in trust the investigative journalism efforts of Seymour Hersh thank you very much.
 

JohnDB

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Good to know. Thanks buddy.
But I would rather put my in trust the investigative journalism efforts of Seymour Hersh thank you very much.
You're welcome.

Ever once cross your mind that you could ever be wrong?

I mean it is THE defining characteristic that is supposed to define a Christian.
 

cv5

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ZELENSKY PITCHING IMF FOR RECONSTRUCTION FUNDING (cough cough) FUNNELING.

Remember that we were predicting this in an earlier post? Oh yes here we go:
"For pity's sake there are TONS of these types of financial gangstas lined up BOTH for the $$$selling of weapons$$$, AND THEN THE $$$REBUILDING$$$ of the completely destroyed country. The right people are going to make a fortune. They always do. "
https://christianchat.com/threads/ukraine-the-bad-guy.209784/post-5057442

 

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In a world where corruption is rampant and alliances are fragile, the Ukrainian President Zelensky has been playing a dangerous game. He's been secretly buying fuel from Russia, the very country that Ukraine and the US are at war with. But that's not all - Zelensky and his inner circle have been skimming millions of American dollars meant for diesel fuel payments.

Experts estimate that last year alone, they embezzled around $400 million. And the corruption in Kiev is so rampant that it's being compared to the Afghan war. But there's more to this story than just greed and power.

Government ministries in Kiev are competing with each other to set up front companies for export contracts with private arms dealers around the world. And the kickbacks they receive are just the tip of the iceberg. There are suspicions that American officials are also involved, with companies in places like the Cayman Islands and Panama.

The CIA Director William Burns had had enough of Zelensky's greed and corruption, and he made his message loud and clear during a meeting in Kiev. Burns presented Zelensky with a list of thirty-five generals and senior officials whose corruption was known to the CIA and others in the American government. And when Zelensky did nothing but dismiss ten of the most ostentatious officials on the list, Burns knew he had to take matters into his own hands.

In a world where everyone has something to hide and no one can be trusted, who will come out on top? Watch as the stakes get higher and the risks get deadlier in this gripping crime thriller.
 

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In a world where corruption is rampant and alliances are fragile, the Ukrainian President Zelensky has been playing a dangerous game. He's been secretly buying fuel from Russia, the very country that Ukraine and the US are at war with. But that's not all - Zelensky and his inner circle have been skimming millions of American dollars meant for diesel fuel payments.

Experts estimate that last year alone, they embezzled around $400 million. And the corruption in Kiev is so rampant that it's being compared to the Afghan war. But there's more to this story than just greed and power.

Government ministries in Kiev are competing with each other to set up front companies for export contracts with private arms dealers around the world. And the kickbacks they receive are just the tip of the iceberg. There are suspicions that American officials are also involved, with companies in places like the Cayman Islands and Panama.

The CIA Director William Burns had had enough of Zelensky's greed and corruption, and he made his message loud and clear during a meeting in Kiev. Burns presented Zelensky with a list of thirty-five generals and senior officials whose corruption was known to the CIA and others in the American government. And when Zelensky did nothing but dismiss ten of the most ostentatious officials on the list, Burns knew he had to take matters into his own hands.

In a world where everyone has something to hide and no one can be trusted, who will come out on top? Watch as the stakes get higher and the risks get deadlier in this gripping crime thriller.
ukraine is a giant international slush fund..
 

cv5

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"Legal department of the European Commission have stated that the EU will have to return frozen Russian assets, once the Ukraine war ends"

Still waiting for confirmation on this chatter.
 

JohnDB

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Explain this please!
 

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In a world where corruption is rampant and alliances are fragile, the Ukrainian President Zelensky has been playing a dangerous game. He's been secretly buying fuel from Russia, the very country that Ukraine and the US are at war with. But that's not all - Zelensky and his inner circle have been skimming millions of American dollars meant for diesel fuel payments.

Experts estimate that last year alone, they embezzled around $400 million. And the corruption in Kiev is so rampant that it's being compared to the Afghan war. But there's more to this story than just greed and power.

Government ministries in Kiev are competing with each other to set up front companies for export contracts with private arms dealers around the world. And the kickbacks they receive are just the tip of the iceberg. There are suspicions that American officials are also involved, with companies in places like the Cayman Islands and Panama.

The CIA Director William Burns had had enough of Zelensky's greed and corruption, and he made his message loud and clear during a meeting in Kiev. Burns presented Zelensky with a list of thirty-five generals and senior officials whose corruption was known to the CIA and others in the American government. And when Zelensky did nothing but dismiss ten of the most ostentatious officials on the list, Burns knew he had to take matters into his own hands.

In a world where everyone has something to hide and no one can be trusted, who will come out on top? Watch as the stakes get higher and the risks get deadlier in this gripping crime thriller.
You got any valid sources to back up your claims?
 

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Explain this please!
It's some dude, and his opinion. Which is fine: I agree with him on some points.

1) I agree that we don't have super-reliable information on what is actually happening in Ukraine. That's a problem for me; because my government should not be aiming propaganda at me, and my fellow Americans; and using the war as an excuse to move money.
2) I also agree that Putin's real goals are indeterminable at present. We may never find out- and Putin's goals may shift as the conflict unfolds- That's true, too.

His idea that "the concept of de-militarization failed long ago"... I don't think so. I also disagree with his assessment on the Ukrainian civilian population's will (and ability) to fight Russia... and I DEFINITELY disagree with the idea that if a peace agreement materialize that it would undermined by an angry population; that's absurd. Now, sure, there will be some people that will hate Russia forever, or even try to take revenge, but for the most part that's not going to be the case.

"their actions have organized and galvanized the Ukrainian population"... you mean the part of the population that didn't outright defect to Russia? and the part that didn't decide to leave Ukraine and never return? That part? What he said was a huge overstatement.

I am actually far more concerned that in the case of a Russian victory, the Ukrainian people will wake up and realize they have been duped by western globalist trash into throwing away their lives and national livelihood. The only reason that the destruction that is unfolding now is happening is because we are keeping their government on life support. The idea that "Putin has only made them stronger" is absurd; Ukraine's military strength is entirely dependent on the US/NATO and would otherwise instantly be deflated. Putin is not fighting Ukraine anymore- he is fighting us. That is the de-facto reality. We have nice legal structures to hide that reality, but that doesn't change the reality.
 

cv5

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10% (probably closer to 30%) for the Big Guy, Zelensky and his generals, and their entourage of parasitical cronies. So says the Pentagram, and the CIA via Seymour Hersh evidently.

Charitable sentiments aside, I see no reason to continue to support this man cocaine addiction.

 

JohnDB

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This supposed upcoming AFU counter-offensive had better work. Regardless......I cannot fathom how all that red is going to turn green anytime soon.

This war is not likely to end this year.
Unless Russia decides that it can't afford to fight anymore. The ball is entirely in their court.
And at this point Putin's neck is on the line.
It's obvious that Ukraine cannot afford to not fight this war...because they will cease to exist. They now have the largest standing army in Europe outside of Poland...but the rest of NATO is energizing their military industrial complexes and increasing the sizes of their standing armies. Even Belarus is seriously considering switching sides. Because Russian authoritarianism is getting to be too expensive. And what they have done to the Crimeans is appalling them. (Killed, imprisoned, their generational homes given away to Asians)
 

cv5

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1) I agree that we don't have super-reliable information on what is actually happening in Ukraine. That's a problem for me; because my government should not be aiming propaganda at me, and my fellow Americans; and using the war as an excuse to move money.
Austin lied to Congress (and to the American people). Brazenly, intentionally, in an all-out effort to keep this "operation" in play. More than just an unethical blunder, it was a violation of his oath of office. But.....then again this is the Grandpa Disaster admin filled to the brim with unsavory characters saying things (and doing things (Hunter Biden) cough cough) that you would think are coming out of a Twilight Zone episode.
 

cv5

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This war is not likely to end this year.
It will if this "last army" of supposedly 200K that the AFU is supposedly raising is annihilated.

You don't seem to fathom the fact that Ukraine is running out of warm bodies to truck to the front lines.
 

cv5

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This war is not likely to end this year.
Unless Russia decides that it can't afford to fight anymore. The ball is entirely in their court.
And at this point Putin's neck is on the line.
It's obvious that Ukraine cannot afford to not fight this war...because they will cease to exist. They now have the largest standing army in Europe outside of Poland...but the rest of NATO is energizing their military industrial complexes and increasing the sizes of their standing armies. Even Belarus is seriously considering switching sides. Because Russian authoritarianism is getting to be too expensive. And what they have done to the Crimeans is appalling them. (Killed, imprisoned, their generational homes given away to Asians)
You just do not "get it" buddy. A friendly Russia buddying up with Germany/Europe was the worst case scenario. And the primary reason for this present war in Ukraine.

The first NATO Secretary General, Lord Ismay, stated the organization's goal was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down".
 

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It’s truly devastating to watch the echoes of the Russian trolls in typing here. This is the hallmark of Russian hybrid warfare.