Upcoming eclipse of 21/08/2017

[loveme1]

My last post was really not intended with as much "harshness" as you are making it sound...

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I actually understand the globe earth physics that describe how this eclipse could happen the way it is predicted -- "if, and only if, all of the angles are just right"...

And, it does seem to line up with the current data. ( Of course, it always will - it is designed that way. )

But, it is actually a requirement ( for it to work as predicted ) that the spin of the earth has to be moving faster than the moon's orbital speed.

If posthuman actually meant something different, then he should have said something different. What he actually stated means that the moon would go around the earth in less than 24 hours.

When you talk about "orbital speed", you are actually talking about angular change over time. ( Hence, from the word 'orbital'. ) If the moon were orbiting the earth faster than the earth was spinning, then that would mean that one 'orbit' of the moon would overtake one 'revolution' of the earth in less than 24 hours.

He was probably trying to compare how the moon would track across the "field of view" between the sun and the earth ( as would be seen from the earth - but, from the sun-side perspective ) to how the U.S.A. would track through that "field" in a spinning motion during that segment of time. Maybe. But, that is not what he actually said.

So --- I am [ mostly ] just messin' with him...

Try not to worry about it. Hopefully, he won't either...

The angles are a factor on either sphere or flat in line with the Firmanent..

God moved the sun by 10 degrees... so nothing is Impossible...

If you look for anything then much about Salem and 33 degrees and it passing over the Georgia guidestones which look like some kind of sun dial... is wide spread... some are comparing to Nineveh...

 

[loveme1]

My simple mind wondered why it was moving west to east covers eyes... the last one went from east to west and I guess the angles were different...

 

[loveme1]

I guess we will see if anything comes to pass in regard to this occurrence very soon...

 

[Paisley_buddie]

I'm not sure of the significance of the eclispe It could very well be a warning to the USA. I will look more into this if anyone has any links to view feel free to post them

 

[posthuman]

I'm not sure of the significance of the eclispe It could very well be a warning to the USA. I will look more into this if anyone has any links to view feel free to post them

a total solar eclipse is visible from some part of the earth's surface on average every year and a half.

so if this one is 'prophetically significant' are all the others also? if not, why do we get to pick one or some out and ignore hundreds of others? there have been well over a thousand since the time Christ came to earth and took up the cross. how do we decide 'this one's a sign from heaven' or 'this one's not' ?

 

[posthuman]

the last one went from east to west and I guess the angles were different...

curious as to what eclipse are you talking about, and where you got that information from? because i think it's wrong. you have to be very careful about believing things that you read on 'conspiracy' sites, or see in such things as 'flat earth' videos - 99% of the time i've found that their physics is bogus, and their math, if it even exists, is equally bogus, and that they are chock-full of deceptive misinformation, omissions, misrepresentations and plain old lies.

here's a list of all eclipses visible from any of the US since 1901, with diagrams of the path the shadow took on earth --

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_eclipses_visible_from_the_United_States

here's an example of one that moves east-west instead of west-east, which is predicted to take place in 2033 and cross part of Alaska:



in the diagram the dark blue lines show the shadow's path & the green ones are labeled showing the time of day.

notice that it starts moving west-east, as is normal, but then reverses direction and moves east-west, and that the path is very close to the north pole. it's only near the poles that the geometry of the sun-moon-earth system can cause this to happen, and the retrograde motion of the shadow has to do with how the rate of rotation of any point on the earth varies with latitude.

 

[loveme1]

a total solar eclipse is visible from some part of the earth's surface on average every year and a half.

so if this one is 'prophetically significant' are all the others also? if not, why do we get to pick one or some out and ignore hundreds of others? there have been well over a thousand since the time Christ came to earth and took up the cross. how do we decide 'this one's a sign from heaven' or 'this one's not' ?

The hype surrounding it and many drawing parallels with it probably cause hysteria.

Not long until it comes to pass and we most likely will be looking back at the non eventful eclipse.. GOD knows.

I don't know if it will trigger any earthquake... or if Yellowstone will erupt...

My interest was drawn towards the direction...

Weird things are happening in the sky .. I have witnessed this myself.. there was a great light in the north east sky in the early hours... but the moon was suppose to be elsewhere in orbit...

A large red light was seen setting in the east by my husband early one morning... who is the least likely to suspect anything... like for him to say anything is out of the ordinary... and he was a Shepherd who would see many evenings and dawns as a youngster...

anyhow, I have enjoyed talking with you all... love to get different insights.

 

[loveme1]

curious as to what eclipse are you talking about, and where you got that information from? because i think it's wrong. you have to be very careful about believing things that you read on 'conspiracy' sites, or see in such things as 'flat earth' videos - 99% of the time i've found that their physics is bogus, and their math, if it even exists, is equally bogus, and that they are chock-full of deceptive misinformation, omissions, misrepresentations and plain old lies.

here's a list of all eclipses visible from any of the US since 1901, with diagrams of the path the shadow took on earth --

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_eclipses_visible_from_the_United_States

here's an example of one that moves east-west instead of west-east, which is predicted to take place in 2033 and cross part of Alaska:

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in the diagram the dark blue lines show the shadow's path & the green ones are labeled showing the time of day.

notice that it starts moving west-east, as is normal, but then reverses direction and moves east-west, and that the path is very close to the north pole. it's only near the poles that the geometry of the sun-moon-earth system can cause this to happen, and the retrograde motion of the shadow has to do with how the rate of rotation of any point on the earth varies with latitude.

Strange because it was reported that it came across from Florida.... I will try to find report.

 

[posthuman]

Strange because it was reported that it came across from Florida.... I will try to find report.

maybe you were reading about a lunar eclipse?

 

[loveme1]

maybe you were reading about a lunar eclipse?

hehe... I will try to remember where I read it...

 

[Zmouth]

My last post was really not intended with as much "harshness" as you are making it sound...


If posthuman actually meant something different, then he should have said something different. What he actually stated means that the moon would go around the earth in less than 24 hours.

I took it that he meant the earth was rotating faster on its axis that the moon was orbiting around the earth; not that the moon was orbiting around the earth in a day. For whatever it's worth....

 

[Zmouth]

God moved the sun by 10 degrees... so nothing is Impossible...

LOL, you might look into magnetic declination.

Prov 25:1-2
1 These are also proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied out.
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.



2 Kings 20:8-11
8 And Hezekiah said unto Isaiah, What shall be the sign that the LORD will heal me, and that I shall go up into the house of the LORD the third day?
9 And Isaiah said, This sign shalt thou have of the LORD, that the LORD will do the thing that he hath spoken: shall the shadow go forth ten degrees, or go back ten degrees?
10 And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees.
11 And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

 

[tanakh]

My pea brain can't shake off a strange feeling about the eclipse... the sun and moon go in the same direction east to west though it varies throughout year... sun faster than the moon... I guess everything taught to date seems to go against the proposed logic..

I am someone that touches wet paint to see if it is wet.. speaks volumes hehe.

Anyhow , remembering the eclipse of 1999 in England... it is a strange feeling.. eery... and may you all be safe.

I remember the 1999 eclipse. At the place where I worked we all saw it by staring into a bucket of water. I didn't feel strange silly but not strange

 

[loveme1]

I remember the 1999 eclipse. At the place where I worked we all saw it by staring into a bucket of water. I didn't feel strange silly but not strange

lovely... I did feel strange.. I am strange so.. no surprise. Hehe.

 

[loveme1]

LOL, you might look into magnetic declination.

Prov 25:1-2
1 These are also proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied out.
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.



2 Kings 20:8-11
8 And Hezekiah said unto Isaiah, What shall be the sign that the LORD will heal me, and that I shall go up into the house of the LORD the third day?
9 And Isaiah said, This sign shalt thou have of the LORD, that the LORD will do the thing that he hath spoken: shall the shadow go forth ten degrees, or go back ten degrees?
10 And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees.
11 And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

erm... not sure I follow... but open if you fancy elaborating...

 

[loveme1]

Here is a link and you can see where the sun and moon will be...

The sun and moon mirror each other for a couple of days after this eclipse.. strange if the moon takes so long to orbit.. let's see who can give insight on this:

https://www.timeanddate.com/

 

[tourist]

My pea brain can't shake off a strange feeling about the eclipse... the sun and moon go in the same direction east to west though it varies throughout year... sun faster than the moon... I guess everything taught to date seems to go against the proposed logic..

I am someone that touches wet paint to see if it is wet.. speaks volumes hehe.

Anyhow , remembering the eclipse of 1999 in England... it is a strange feeling.. eery... and may you all be safe.

I am by no means an astronomer but I believe that the sun isn't really fast as it is stationary. The earth rotates on its axis as it revolves around the sun. The moon revolves around the earth. I'm not really sure but it could be that looking from the earth to the moon it would appear to move from west to east for the period of time it's visible. Due to the earth's rotation the sun only appears to travel from east to west.

 

[posthuman]

since the moon is orbiting the same direction the earth is spinning, you'd see the moon coming from the left ((west)) and moving to the right ((east)). the moon is orbiting much faster than the earth is spinning; looking at the earth from the sun, it only takes a matter of hours to cross the visible disc of the planet

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So now you are saying that the moon orbits the earth in less than one day instead of taking about a month?

That has got to be the biggest bogus bunch of bull I have ever seen you write into a post.

"Now --- would you like to back that crap up and try again...?"

the rotational velocity of the earth's surface at the equator is about 460 m/s
the orbital velocity of the moon is about 1,024 m/s

do you know what "rotational" and "angular" velocity are? how they are similar and how they are different?

 

[posthuman]

what's below is from the AP Physics exam C study guide.


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[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]ROTATIONAL KINEMATICS​

Mark several dots along a radius on a disk, and call this radius the reference line. If the disk rotates about its center, we can use the movement of these dots to talk about angular displacement, angular velocity, and angular acceleration.



If the disk rotates as a rigid body, then all three dots shown have the same angular displacement, dθ. In fact, this is the definition of a rigid body: All points along a radial line always have the same angular displacement.

Just as the time rate-of-change of displacement gives velocity, the time rate-of-change of angular displacement gives angular velocity, denoted by ω (omega).
The definition of the average angular velocity is:

ω̅ = Δθ/Δt​

Note that if we let the time interval Δt approach 0, then the equation above leads to the definition of the instantaneous angular velocity:

ω = dθ/dt​

And, finally, just as the time rate-of-change of velocity gives acceleration, the time rate-of-change of angular velocity gives angular acceleration, or α (alpha).
The definition of the average angular acceleration is:

α̅ = Δω/Δt​

If we let the time interval Δt approach 0, then the equation above leads to the definition of the instantaneous angular velocity:

α = dω/dt​

On the rotating disk illustrated previously, we said that all points undergo the same angular displacement in any given time interval; this means that all points on the disk have the same angular velocity, ω, but not all points have the same linear velocity, v. This follows from the definition of radian measure. Expressed in radians, the angular displacement, Δθ, is related to the arc length, Δs, by the equation

Δθ = Δs/r​

Rearranging this equation and dividing by Δt, we find that

Δs = rΔθ → Δs/Δt = rΔθ/Δt → v̅ = rω̅​

Or, using the equations v = ds/dt and ω = dθ/dt,

v = rω​

Therefore, the greater the value of r, the greater the value of v. Points on the rotating body farther from the rotation axis move more quickly than those closer to the rotation axis.

 

[posthuman]

Δs/Δt = rΔθ/Δt

Or, using the equations v = ds/dt and ω = dθ/dt,

v = rω​

this statement is actually leaving out quite a bit of calculus, i mean, those were
Δ's in the previous line but somehow they become d's in the next,

but you know, whatever.

"the better student can show" lol was often written in many of my physics textbooks while skipping portions of derivations, and it wasn't uncommon for there to be dozens and dozens of lines of math missing. these omissions obviously became our homework assignments.