Why do Christians support Trump?

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PennEd

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So you think BLM is out to turn the USA into a communist state? lol wow. Go ahead and believe that. Most people who support are not card carrying members they simply believe that black lives matter. that is all. Keep being scared of the big mean BLM coming to instill their communist regime in America. Sorry but this is beyond ridiculous. Meanwhile another conspiracy is happening out in the open and you can't see it.
The BLM Founder Who Begged Allah For Strength Not To ‘Kill Sub Human Whites’ Received A Government Award ‘Encouraging A Run For Public Office’
 

PennEd

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republican agenda. ie corporate welfare
America had the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. President Trump cut it, which resulted In huge job openings, and employee bonuses as corporations no longer fled to lower taxed countries. You do realize that REAL people work for corporations?

Ridiculously easy to research that it was Obama that put kids in cages. Why don’t you know that?

cutting assistance programs,
This is just a flat out lie. I am personally for eliminating almost all welfare programs. They have done immense harm to individuals and society at large. But President Trump has not cut programs.

Please educate yourself as to the real horrors of socialism. You don’t have to look at China or Cuba, you can get a great picture of the evil you are advocating by looking at what is going on in the Socialist “utopia” that is today’s Venezuela.
 
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Yes, we do need to repent of our sins and wickedness. Yes, the future of our nation is the church and true believers. And yes we can make a difference if we care to pay the price.

But your theories leave a lot to be desired. Satan is not roaming around like a roaring lion. He is walking around as an angel of light which means he is on you before you know it. A classic example is the idea of a homosexual Christian. There is no such thing but by the way the church is embracing them, you would not think so.

Think back. The scripture and the church had male leadership. Now a church in Norway has more female ministers than males. Definitely, a slippery slope to reverse God's order of authority.

What is happening now is a precursor to what is going to happen. Marxism/communism use to conquer with the sword. Now it uses words. That is why it is taking over the universities.

Most of the time America is a gatekeeper in wars protecting countries that are under the thumb of another waring nation. The help given prevents a warring nation from being an aggressor who is not interested in anything except themselves so they will slaughter at will. My choice would be no wars because most of the time they are futile. Without the aid of Britain and the USA, Europe would be a fascist continent.

it is standard practice when interest rates are very low for countries to borrow to build infrastructure as the amount requiring to be repaid will be a lot less than if the rates were higher.

There is no such thing as free healthcare. Someone has to pay for it. In Australia, we have medicare which means free healthcare IF you need it. If you don't, then you pay. Someone on $50,000 a year should not have to subsidize someone's health care if they are earning $250,000 a year.

Communists have been working towards a communist America for years. They just haven't been shouting it from the rooftops. BLM is just another vehicle to achieve their aims.

"God bless America is not a slogan that perverts the name of God. Derek Prince has written about the power of the tongue and if someone says "God Bless America" it has repercussions for the good. If someone says "Satan, curse America" it has ramifications for the bad. As the scripture says "Life and death are in the power of the tongue."

The possibility of turning back has not gone. If God will stay his hand for 10 righteous people as he did in the OT, then he can stay his hand for a righteous church.
You are all over the road. Some of what you say is correct, some not. Allow me to try to explain....

The future of our nation isn't the church.
The Christian church in America is ICHABOD (1 Samual 4:21). The spirit has departed from many of the main line denominations for several reasons we can discuss later if you wish. The Christian church in America is no longer considered a legitimate political or moral or spiritual group. The future of America is growing corporatism or fascism as it is called by those who know the meaning of it.

Roaming
Satan does indeed roam the earth as a devouring lion. (Job 2:2, 1 Peter 5:8....more) I agree with you there is no such thing as a Christian gay. The Bible says they shall not see the Kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9) Those who agree with them are likewise condemned. (same chapter, same book)

American police
In June 1950 the North Korean army surged across the 38th parallel into the south of the peninsula. President Harry Truman established the policy, or rather the false notion, that America was the world's police force. Certain agencies of the US government had prepared POTUS for that position and we've been stuck in it ever since. The result has been endless war that has sucked our resources and our credibility among the family of nations dry. America hasn't fought for freedom since 1953, when the Korean War ended. Since that time, EVERY single foreign war has been fought for the benefit of the military-industrial complex, our intelligence community and our financial cartel.

"Don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as His divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with justice and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, 'You are too arrogant. If you don't change your ways I will rise up and break the back bone of your power.'" - Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. - (circa 1967)

Christians today now believe that God is on our side - having forgotten the primary lesson of scripture that God IS NOT on anybody's side. The true question is whether we are on God's side.

God is not an American.

Please try to keep this simple idea in mind. Christians who've wrapped themselves in the flag and dropped the cross neglect this most basic premise of the Bible.

Blessing or Curse
God bless America is a political slogan. It appears nowhere in Holy Writ. In Nazi Germany the slogan, "Gott mitt runs" was popularized. In English it means 'God is with us'. God wasn't with the Nazis and God isn't in the business of blessing America. Read the newspapers and watch TV news. Do you see blessings there or the consequences of actions of a nation that has turned its back upon God.

Healthcare
Every citizen of America deserves free health care. Yes it costs money and yes that money should come from taxes. BUT WHAT DO OUR TAXES PAY FOR INSTEAD? They pay for a bloated military and endless war to establish and preserve American hegemony across the globe. If the Navy decommissioned three or four aircraft carriers we'd have enough money TO PAY for healthcare.

Have you ever suffered a serious ailment? Do you know anyone in your family who has suffered a terrible disease? When that day comes it's bad enough to have to deal with the pain. Americans also have to wrestle with their insurance company, if they are lucky enough to have one. America is the ONLY industrialized nation without free health care. The reason is that the insurance lobby and the AMA prevent it. I and my wife are intimately involved in this battle. By intimate I mean knowing our representatives personally and appearing in the legislature personally to argue the point.

Most Christians sit on their -armchair- and do absolutely nothing except wave their little striped flag and pledge allegiance to a government that doesn't care an iota about their welfare (except at election time when promises are made & forgotten).

REPENTANCE
For those who seek peace with God the act of repentance isn't a joke or a distant fairy tale. Its real and its necessary, but its a subject you will NOT hear in church. The gospel of the post-protestant church is humanized - that God is our servant rather than our king.

Who do you, dear reader, serve?

Does that which you serve act like a rock in times of trouble or does it cause disturbance and corruption?

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

mustaphadrink

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You are all over the road. Some of what you say is correct, some not. Allow me to try to explain....

The future of our nation isn't the church.
The Christian church in America is ICHABOD (1 Samual 4:21). The spirit has departed from many of the main line denominations for several reasons we can discuss later if you wish. The Christian church in America is no longer considered a legitimate political or moral or spiritual group. The future of America is growing corporatism or fascism as it is called by those who know the meaning of it.

Roaming
Satan does indeed roam the earth as a devouring lion. (Job 2:2, 1 Peter 5:8....more) I agree with you there is no such thing as a Christian gay. The Bible says they shall not see the Kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9) Those who agree with them are likewise condemned. (same chapter, same book)

American police
In June 1950 the North Korean army surged across the 38th parallel into the south of the peninsula. President Harry Truman established the policy, or rather the false notion, that America was the world's police force. Certain agencies of the US government had prepared POTUS for that position and we've been stuck in it ever since. The result has been endless war that has sucked our resources and our credibility among the family of nations dry. America hasn't fought for freedom since 1953, when the Korean War ended. Since that time, EVERY single foreign war has been fought for the benefit of the military-industrial complex, our intelligence community and our financial cartel.

"Don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as His divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with justice and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, 'You are too arrogant. If you don't change your ways I will rise up and break the back bone of your power.'" - Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. - (circa 1967)

Christians today now believe that God is on our side - having forgotten the primary lesson of scripture that God IS NOT on anybody's side. The true question is whether we are on God's side.

God is not an American.

Please try to keep this simple idea in mind. Christians who've wrapped themselves in the flag and dropped the cross neglect this most basic premise of the Bible.

Blessing or Curse
God bless America is a political slogan. It appears nowhere in Holy Writ. In Nazi Germany the slogan, "Gott mitt runs" was popularized. In English it means 'God is with us'. God wasn't with the Nazis and God isn't in the business of blessing America. Read the newspapers and watch TV news. Do you see blessings there or the consequences of actions of a nation that has turned its back upon God.

Healthcare
Every citizen of America deserves free health care. Yes it costs money and yes that money should come from taxes. BUT WHAT DO OUR TAXES PAY FOR INSTEAD? They pay for a bloated military and endless war to establish and preserve American hegemony across the globe. If the Navy decommissioned three or four aircraft carriers we'd have enough money TO PAY for healthcare.

Have you ever suffered a serious ailment? Do you know anyone in your family who has suffered a terrible disease? When that day comes it's bad enough to have to deal with the pain. Americans also have to wrestle with their insurance company, if they are lucky enough to have one. America is the ONLY industrialized nation without free health care. The reason is that the insurance lobby and the AMA prevent it. I and my wife are intimately involved in this battle. By intimate I mean knowing our representatives personally and appearing in the legislature personally to argue the point.

Most Christians sit on their -armchair- and do absolutely nothing except wave their little striped flag and pledge allegiance to a government that doesn't care an iota about their welfare (except at election time when promises are made & forgotten).

REPENTANCE
For those who seek peace with God the act of repentance isn't a joke or a distant fairy tale. Its real and its necessary, but its a subject you will NOT hear in church. The gospel of the post-protestant church is humanized - that God is our servant rather than our king.

Who do you, dear reader, serve?

Does that which you serve act like a rock in times of trouble or does it cause disturbance and corruption?

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Thankyou. I will see things as I see them and you can see things as you see them.
 

mustaphadrink

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The U.S. is not a democracy either ;):)
When it comes to comparisons America is definitely a democracy. In Africa they have various Democratic Republics that are no more democratic than North Korea is. In fact, when you see a country named a Democratic Republic you know that it is not Democratic.
 

rastai

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America had the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. President Trump cut it, which resulted In huge job openings, and employee bonuses as corporations no longer fled to lower taxed countries. You do realize that REAL people work for corporations?


Ridiculously easy to research that it was Obama that put kids in cages. Why don’t you know that?


This is just a flat out lie. I am personally for eliminating almost all welfare programs. They have done immense harm to individuals and society at large. But President Trump has not cut programs.

Please educate yourself as to the real horrors of socialism. You don’t have to look at China or Cuba, you can get a great picture of the evil you are advocating by looking at what is going on in the Socialist “utopia” that is today’s Venezuela.
No Obama did not have a policy of separating families or putting kids in cages, Trump did. Your facts have been fed to you by billionaire right wingers and they could not be further from reality. It is not a lie Trump is actively trying to cut food stamps right now, look it up. I do not need ot look to any other country for socialism, What I call socialism exists right here in the USA and we need more of it. Public roads, public utilities, government subsidies, government grants, medicare, medicaid, food stamps are all examples of socialism and that is a fact. So we already have socialism and I believe more of it is what we need.
 

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The BLM Founder Who Begged Allah For Strength Not To ‘Kill Sub Human Whites’ Received A Government Award ‘Encouraging A Run For Public Office’
You actively try to find the
The BLM Founder Who Begged Allah For Strength Not To ‘Kill Sub Human Whites’ Received A Government Award ‘Encouraging A Run For Public Office’
Why do you actively try to find the worst example of BLM and ignore the good. I could play that game too. Think of all the horribly racist Trump supporters out there. What is your point? Most KKK members support Trump therefore all republicans are KKK. That is the logic you are using. The fact is the vast vast vast majority of BLM suporters do not fall in line with this person's philosophy.
 

PennEd

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You actively try to find the

Why do you actively try to find the worst example of BLM and ignore the good. I could play that game too. Think of all the horribly racist Trump supporters out there. What is your point? Most KKK members support Trump therefore all republicans are KKK. That is the logic you are using. The fact is the vast vast vast majority of BLM suporters do not fall in line with this person's philosophy.
You can’t see the difference between a supporter and a FOUNDER?

BLM , NOT all its supporters, is a racist, Marxist, hate group. That’s just a fact.

As for the kkk, it’s the Democrats that are kkk members. It was not too long ago the Democrats had a former kkk member as a United States senator.
 

PennEd

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No Obama did not have a policy of separating families or putting kids in cages, Trump did. Your facts have been fed to you by billionaire right wingers and they could not be further from reality. It is not a lie Trump is actively trying to cut food stamps right now, look it up. I do not need ot look to any other country for socialism, What I call socialism exists right here in the USA and we need more of it. Public roads, public utilities, government subsidies, government grants, medicare, medicaid, food stamps are all examples of socialism and that is a fact. So we already have socialism and I believe more of it is what we need.
I’m sorry, but you are flat out ignorant.
Obama had kids in cages. It’s not even a debatable point.
Here is far left fact checker Snopes agreeing that it was in fact Obama that put kids in cages.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/
 

mustaphadrink

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No Obama did not have a policy of separating families or putting kids in cages, Trump did. Your facts have been fed to you by billionaire right wingers and they could not be further from reality. It is not a lie Trump is actively trying to cut food stamps right now, look it up. I do not need ot look to any other country for socialism, What I call socialism exists right here in the USA and we need more of it. Public roads, public utilities, government subsidies, government grants, medicare, medicaid, food stamps are all examples of socialism and that is a fact. So we already have socialism and I believe more of it is what we need.
It is a known fact that what makes a country great is the freedom to develop business under their own control. Every case of socialism has failed. Marx, Lenin, Mao Ze Dong, Mugabe, Pol Pot, Cuba, Dem Rep of Congo, Wilson, Iraq, Lybia, Iran, Ethiopia, Venezuela, Laos, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Algeria, Eritrea, North Korea, and so on, and so on and so on.
 

rastai

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It is a known fact that what makes a country great is the freedom to develop business under their own control. Every case of socialism has failed. Marx, Lenin, Mao Ze Dong, Mugabe, Pol Pot, Cuba, Dem Rep of Congo, Wilson, Iraq, Lybia, Iran, Ethiopia, Venezuela, Laos, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Algeria, Eritrea, North Korea, and so on, and so on and so on.
Yeah so what is your point? No one is advocating for that form of socialism. The only thing being adovocated on the American left is universal healthcare, free higher education, more social welfare. Things that are present in nearly every other developed country of the world. So it is better to compare what the American left is advocated for in the form of socialism with countries like Canada, the UK, Norway, New Zealand etc. To compare these countries to Marxist countries is misinformation.
 

rastai

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I’m sorry, but you are flat out ignorant.
Obama had kids in cages. It’s not even a debatable point.
Here is far left fact checker Snopes agreeing that it was in fact Obama that put kids in cages.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/
Obama built the cages fine. Did Obama have a policy of separating children from their parents? No. DoesTrump have that policy? Yes. How would you feel to have your children ripped from your arms and then never see them again or know what happened? That is what you support. Would Biden reverse that policy? Yes indeed. Since when is do Christians advocate for such immorality?
 

rastai

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You can’t see the difference between a supporter and a FOUNDER?

BLM , NOT all its supporters, is a racist, Marxist, hate group. That’s just a fact.

As for the kkk, it’s the Democrats that are kkk members. It was not too long ago the Democrats had a former kkk member as a United States senator.
At the moment the BLM movement is not about the founders, it is about police brutality and systemic racism. When it becomes about marxism or transgenderism or what have you I will be right there to condemn it.
 

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They vote for Trump because somehow they think he is gonna stop all the p*dos, the criminals, the freemasons and also de the NWO... They think he will change the world for better and stop the evil on earth.... but i don't see Obama in jail, i don't see he is trying to stop the NWO... Because he is part of it and the prophecies written in the book of the revelations must be accomplished. There must be a NWO and the deceiving of the whole human race, it must happen and the only solution for that will be God, when Jesus Christ comes back and send to the lake fire all these corrupt politicians and bankers...

We can only wait for Jesus Christ cause there is no human that can fix this madness now.
 

mustaphadrink

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Yeah so what is your point? No one is advocating for that form of socialism. The only thing being adovocated on the American left is universal healthcare, free higher education, more social welfare. Things that are present in nearly every other developed country of the world. So it is better to compare what the American left is advocated for in the form of socialism with countries like Canada, the UK, Norway, New Zealand etc. To compare these countries to Marxist countries is misinformation.
Is it?