Would we be better as a Socialist Nation?

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vashweb2

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Communism is the the way all the world will go when it comes down to its economic dreams. No country currently is trying out this "classless" system, but I love what Karl Marx was alluding to when he was getting at the owner(s) having to get around no more than 25% of monetary funds then his or her (or their) lowest worker. And the fight for a truly classless society. I just hope it doesn't destroy individuality.
 

maxwel

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Communism is the the way all the world will go when it comes down to its economic dreams. No country currently is trying out this "classless" system, but I love what Karl Marx was alluding to when he was getting at the owner(s) having to get around no more than 25% of monetary funds then his or her (or their) lowest worker. And the fight for a truly classless society. I just hope it doesn't destroy individuality.
Communism has been tried many many times... and it always fails, and it always ends up with millions of people dying.

For the latest version, take another look at Venezuela.

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Locoponydirtman

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Communism is the the way all the world will go when it comes down to its economic dreams. No country currently is trying out this "classless" system, but I love what Karl Marx was alluding to when he was getting at the owner(s) having to get around no more than 25% of monetary funds then his or her (or their) lowest worker. And the fight for a truly classless society. I just hope it doesn't destroy individuality.
This is my favorite thing he espoused.
There is no God:
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism." If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.
The other best thing he did was cause 100 million people to be killed.
And this third.
Communism is the hypothetical end result which will reward the survivors of the long march that is necessary to move from Capitalism to Communism. Steps on this long march include: 1) Revolution, 2) Dictatorship of the Proletariat, 3) Destruction of the Capitalist State, 4) Liquidation of the Bourgeoisie, 5) Creation of Socialism, 6) Creation of the New Socialist Man, 7) Withering Away of the State, and 8) Emergence of Communism.
 

vashweb2

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I believe it is inevitable. A society is, especially here in California, is progressing forward towards the idea of it being a human right just to live. Meaning Everyone should have food, shelter, healthcare, etc. I think it is unavoidable that a system where everything is shared is born. Liberals are constantly watching the 1% (billionaires) waiting for them to cut up all that change for the rest of America. I think once we implement a system that suppresses monopolies, an ideal system will emerge from the ashes.
 

jaybird88

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capitalism can do some amazing thngs, it can take a country like Brazil, make it a top five agriculture producer and at the same time give it a top five starvation rate. amazing!
 

maxwel

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I believe it is inevitable. A society is, especially here in California, is progressing forward towards the idea of it being a human right just to live. Meaning Everyone should have food, shelter, healthcare, etc. I think it is unavoidable that a system where everything is shared is born. Liberals are constantly watching the 1% (billionaires) waiting for them to cut up all that change for the rest of America. I think once we implement a system that suppresses monopolies, an ideal system will emerge from the ashes.
1. Biblically, when you want something someone else has, that's called being COVETOUS... that's a major sin from the 10 commandments.

2. Biblically, when someone has more than you, and you decide to just TAKE IT, that's called STEALING... that too is a major sin from the 10 commandments.

3. Biblically, there is no such thing as a utopian system, because humans are a race that is corrupted and fallen into sin, and incapable of righteousness... that's right in the 3rd chapter of the Bible... right at the very beginning.


For a Christian, if you just get to the 3rd chapter of the Bible, or the 10 commandments that little kids learn in Sunday School, you will know, even from the MOST BASIC THINGS, that a communist utopia is impossible, and it's built on sinful principles.

The most basic, simple, rudimentary principles of the Bible show that communism is wrong, and that it can't work.

So far, the Bible has been proven correct, and every communist society has failed, and hundreds of millions have died.


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SpoonJuly

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I believe it is inevitable. A society is, especially here in California, is progressing forward towards the idea of it being a human right just to live. Meaning Everyone should have food, shelter, healthcare, etc. I think it is unavoidable that a system where everything is shared is born. Liberals are constantly watching the 1% (billionaires) waiting for them to cut up all that change for the rest of America. I think once we implement a system that suppresses monopolies, an ideal system will emerge from the ashes.
Basically what you are saying is that the person who sits on his lazy butt and does nothing and the person who works 60 to 80 hours a week, employees several people who earn a reasonable wage, should have the same level of lifestyle.
That idea is what is and will destroy the economy of this nation.
California is bankrupt now because of their stupid government polities.
It is not the government's job to support you with food and shelter, and healthcare, that is your responsibly.

The Bible clearly teaches that a person who will not work will not eat.
 

jaybird88

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California had the best economy in the US until the Fed Gov forced them to deregulate their markets. Ken Lay of enron was at the forefront leading the way for deregulation.
 

Locoponydirtman

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...top-four-reasons-california-is-unsustainable/
This why California was a failing economy.
However since the Trump administration, California, is growing faster and outperforming the U.S. in job growth, manufacturing, personal income, corporate profits and the total return of its bonds. The most populous U.S. state, with 39.5 million people, supplanted the U.K. as No. 5 in the world with an equivalent gross domestic product of more than $2.7 trillion, increasing $127 billion last year, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Deregulation has benefited California tremendously.
 
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Watch out for those professing "believers" who want a godless communist socialism. They'll be the first to turn in true believers when the stuff hits the fan. You should see what they do to the Chinese believers...
 
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The entire ideology of socialism is against God and his law. Covetousness is paraded and lauded. The first commandment is broken because the state is now god. Perverted lifestyles are promoted. Procreation is attacked. Abortion heightened. Stealing from others is legalized. Honor of parents is mocked, the state is parent. Christians and Christianity is persecuted.
 

PennEd

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1. Biblically, when you want something someone else has, that's called being COVETOUS... that's a major sin from the 10 commandments.

2. Biblically, when someone has more than you, and you decide to just TAKE IT, that's called STEALING... that too is a major sin from the 10 commandments.

3. Biblically, there is no such thing as a utopian system, because humans are a race that is corrupted and fallen into sin, and incapable of righteousness... that's right in the 3rd chapter of the Bible... right at the very beginning.


For a Christian, if you just get to the 3rd chapter of the Bible, or the 10 commandments that little kids learn in Sunday School, you will know, even from the MOST BASIC THINGS, that a communist utopia is impossible, and it's built on sinful principles.

The most basic, simple, rudimentary principles of the Bible show that communism is wrong, and that it can't work.

So far, the Bible has been proven correct, and every communist society has failed, and hundreds of millions have died.


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Correct! Amazing after thousands of yrs of history people STILL don't understand human nature. Human Beings are corrupt,(WE ARE NOT BASICALLY GOOD) and corruptible.


There has been ONLY 2 Forces in Human history that has been successful in countering man's corruption.

1. A belief in, and an accountability to, a Sovereign God.

2. Meaningful, fair, Competition with rewards.

The left and Democrats HATE both of those concepts. If Christians could just grasp this, they would realize just who they should elect, and our Nation would always prosper.
 
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The democrats have successfully created a generation (or two) of entitled, lazy, hateful mouths. Now they are waiting to nurture on the breast of their new god, the state, and professing "believers" are in this group.

Talk about cultured into deception.

Some of you all need to have a true conversion experience, as you're so hoodwinked it's remarkable to behold. I bet that angers several into murderous thoughts about me, right? But don't worry you're still "christian" even if you have this fruit, and hold to an ideology that mocks God and his people, along with all your false doctrines.
 

jaybird88

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the 12 Apostles practiced socialism. all the money was collected, put into a general fund and distributed to those that needed it. this was the same way the Qumran community was ran and most likely the Nazarene community.
the general idea of socialism is to keep the rich from taking everyting. if you have free markets with no rules they will take it all. capitalism will never benefit a working man, most working men want to make a living and take care of their family, there are only a few out there that care about money and nothing but money and those are the ones that benefit from the system. its a system of greed. a factory manager making 150k a year, its a good salary, but is not going to benefit. those that own the factory benefit, with capitalism they can cram 500 employees in a building built for 50, if a worker loses his hands in a machine they can fire and replace him and owe him nothing, he may have a wife and five kids depending on him. you can work employees with no breaks, hire thugs to crack heads when the workers talk to much, refuse to hire if you donty like their religion, refuse to hire unless you agree to let employeer inspect your home and personal lifestyle, etc etc.
this is free market capitalism. dont believe me, read about how factories were ran 100 - 150 years back.
 
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theanointedsinner

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the flesh is our real opponent and Satan is the ruler of this world, hence in this fallen world, secularity is king

let's not lose our focus
 

jaybird88

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Another example of how capitalism infects our society. Today in the US we have more people incarcerated (per capita) than any other country on the planet. Where is all this crime? Well it wasnt always like this. Many years back our jails were ran and owned by the state, funded by tax dollars. Today half our jails are owned by private corporations. Private corporations send their people to washington to thow lots of money at politicians to pass laws for more jailible offenses and longer jail terms. Thats a bit scary. But its true.
 
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theanointedsinner

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Apology letters can never be sincere enough,
cowardance is insincerity
let's bravely enter life imprisonment in federal prison

another thing, maybe if we get beat up in federal prison, we can kiss the boo boo of someone's fist, because their fist has been sore from beating us, and kissing the boo boo can help practice empathy for their sore fist

^ok, a bit sarcastic
 

memyselfi

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Another example of how capitalism infects our society. Today in the US we have more people incarcerated (per capita) than any other country on the planet. Where is all this crime? Well it wasnt always like this. Many years back our jails were ran and owned by the state, funded by tax dollars. Today half our jails are owned by private corporations. Private corporations send their people to washington to thow lots of money at politicians to pass laws for more jailible offenses and longer jail terms. Thats a bit scary. But its true.
Many years back, in the 1940's my grandpa was in what was known as the Old Ohio Pin. He did 10 years for involuntary manslaughter; he killed someone in a bar fight. (toughest yet GREATEST old man ((grandpa)) ever)! People did not want to go to the pin back then because convicts had no rights. And being in the pin was living thru a living hell. Now a days inmates can sue over the food they eat or don't eat.... Lets take away all their rights like the old days and see how many people are in prison then.
 

Locoponydirtman

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So 12 guys directly supervised by Jesus himself operated on a collective basis, and managed to squable and fuss as to who was more important and who should be the best, and you think that it could work for 326 million people who hardly know of Jesus, and mostly deny him. Can we spell flawed logic. One of the top tenants of secular socialism is the removal of religion...
Socialism is an ideology that places the production and distribution of goods of services in the hands of Government, making them the source of provision rather than God. It puts government in the forefront of thought and requires total dedication to human institutions. Supplanting God with Government.
 

PennEd

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Another example of how capitalism infects our society. Today in the US we have more people incarcerated (per capita) than any other country on the planet. Where is all this crime? Well it wasnt always like this. Many years back our jails were ran and owned by the state, funded by tax dollars. Today half our jails are owned by private corporations. Private corporations send their people to washington to thow lots of money at politicians to pass laws for more jailible offenses and longer jail terms. Thats a bit scary. But its true.

And yet people flee in bathtubs and join walking caravans, for a thousand miles, leaving EVERYTHING behind but the clothes on their backs, FLEEING socialist countries to come to America, just to tell us how wonderful their Socialist utopia is!!!

That's pretty nice of them.