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Abing

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Hey guys, anyone voting? Who you voting for? I'm very interested in Duterte's running for president. For the first time, Filipinos are actually one (from all faiths) in urging him to run. I've never seen something this huge of a movement from our country and it's encouraging!

He's not even Christian but the Word of God remains true.

Righteousness exalts a nation. In the same way, Lee Kwan Yew, Singapore's first PM, I truly believe, was able to bless Singapore because he chose to help the Israelites (and Singapore still does this today). I am really really excited to see this election. And, needless to say, there is a lot to pray for (praying and believing for no death this election, no bloody encounter and no power interruption and that the people's unity will be strength for the rest of us to rise up to righteousness).

Thoughts on this my fellow countrymen?

Also, what do you think about Philippines having a federal government?
 

maxwel

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Duterte?

A. In one interview, he virtually admitted that he would overthrow the entire existing government, and essentially set up a dictatorship.
“I will give myself six months to one year to do the reforms I want to do. If the system becomes obstructionist and I become inutile, I will declare a revolutionary government,” he said in a television interview.
He indicated that he would padlock Congress and the judiciary.
“You have to close everything. It is anti-democratic, but how do you change society? Nothing seems to work in this country (under the present system),” he said.
If elected, Duterte will set up revolutionary government | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

B. In another interview, he brags about being connected with the DDS.
“They say I am the death squad? True, that is true,” Duterte said.
Duterte confirms ‘ties’ with Davao Death Squad | Inquirer News


I don't see the wisdom in getting rid of bad politicians by electing an even more dangerous politician.
 
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Duterte?

A. In one interview, he virtually admitted that he would run the country as a dictatorship.

B. In another interview, he brags about being connected with the DDS.
“They say I am the death squad? True, that is true,” Duterte said.
Duterte confirms ‘ties’ with Davao Death Squad | Inquirer News

I don't see the wisdom in getting rid of bad politicians by electing an even more dangerous politician.
Wellllll, there's a reason I posted this in the Filipino forums lol. He hasn't done a lot of interviews, I wouldn't know how he's viewed internationally. I lived for a few years in the city where he was and still is Mayor. The thing is he doesn't even want to run for president. It's the rest of the Philippines urging him to. Just recently over 360,000 people in our capital city gathered together in an act of pleading him to run. People have been asking for his answer. He repeatedly said no. Apparently, there are no other choices. If Villanueva would run again (he failed last time), I'd vote for him.

Truth is, a group of anonymous businessmen have already opened accouts to fund him (cuz he mentioned once that he's not running because he lacks financially lol). They remained anonymous because the guy would not live without repaying people he owed. I mean, corruption is a heavy problem in our country and seeing the guy's honesty in that, I think, added to the reasons why people want him as president. I honestly think he will win because of the support. I may be wrong (like last time, when Arroyo cheated and then apologized on national TV after she won the election, I mean that was just total stupidity). I think the country's tired of the same people doing the same thing over and over again and not seeing any change. It's true change starts in us, and tbh the church should be doing more and be impacting our nation, but having an honest government really really helps.
 
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Also, P-Noy Aquino, current president, isn't running anymore (he got stressed out! lol). So we will have a new president. I wonder if there are Filipinos here, who may or may not be in the Philippines right now, who have views on this too.
 

maxwel

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Abing, I realize things are bad, and the politicians are bad, and everyone wants change.

But Duterte ADMITTED to running death squads in his area.

Electing him would be like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

Also, the news articles I sourced were FILIPINO.
It had nothing to do with how he's viewed internationally...
all I did was read press from the Philippines, and talk to friends over there.
And there is just no way he'd be allowed to run after admitting, in the press, to running the DDS.
 
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maxwel

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Abing,

I wasn't trying to be insulting in any way.
I apologize if my post was too "frank", and it sounded offensive.
That wasn't my intent.

But human nature has many natural flaws.
One of the natural flaws is that we get so frustrated, that we make a hasty decision.
Sometimes we're so upset, and we want CHANGE so BADLY, that we simply DO SOMETHING SO HASTY WE ACTUALLY MAKE THINGS WORSE!
: )

That is HUMAN NATURE.
My country has made this mistake.

Many countries have made this mistake.

I hate to see your country, out of frustration, make things worse instead of better.
 
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Abing,

I wasn't trying to be insulting in any way.
I apologize if my post was too "frank", and it sounded offensive.
That wasn't my intent.

But human nature has many natural flaws.
One of the natural flaws is that we get so frustrated, that we make a hasty decision.
Sometimes we're so upset, and we want CHANGE so BADLY, that we simply DO SOMETHING SO HASTY WE ACTUALLY MAKE THINGS WORSE!
: )

That is HUMAN NATURE.
My country has made this mistake.

Many countries have made this mistake.

I hate to see your country, out of frustration, make things worse instead of better.
Hey :) no offence taken. None at all. Well, the thing is... all our government officials kill to win the elections. We've had really bloody elections before. It's like, they all do it. This coming elections, we'll have a new president and got 4, well now 3 choices. Duterte isn't running. Honestly, I don't know what difference it makes now, whoever wins :/
 

maxwel

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Hey :) no offence taken. None at all. Well, the thing is... all our government officials kill to win the elections. We've had really bloody elections before. It's like, they all do it. This coming elections, we'll have a new president and got 4, well now 3 choices. Duterte isn't running. Honestly, I don't know what difference it makes now, whoever wins :/
I understand.

That's why if I was in your country, as a foreigner, I would NOT be having an opinion, lol.
I'd be keeping my mouth shut.

I understand how bad the politicians are.
My point was just that, if you study history, you find that someone like Duterte is "probably" even MORE dangerous than the "normal" corrupt politicians. (When someone admits he is going to seize power, and end democratic processes... that is just extremely unpredictable. It's very dangerous to allow one man, ANY MAN, to have complete control. It's incredibly dangerous.)

The reason a republic works isn't because the politicians are so honest... they never are.
A republic works because all of those dishonest people work at odds with each other, and keep each other in check.

If you give one guy ALL OF THE POWER... there is no one to keep him in check.
That's what Duterte said he wanted.
That's just an extremely dangerous situation.

On this earth, we can achieve governments, or political systems, that are "better than others".
We should strive for that.
We should strive for the best plans, and the best solutions.
We should strive for peace, and safety, and justice.
We should strive for the best people, and the best system,
but we can't have a system that is truly perfect, or truly lacks corruption.
We will always have some degree of corruption in a fallen world.

But as God's children, HE can protect us, and prosper us...
in the light, or in the dark.




 

Angela53510

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You know, it isn't about how many people want someone to be their dictator. It is about what that dictator will do if "elected."

One only has to look to Germany in 1933, the desperate straits that country was in and a little tweaking by the SS, and behold, one of the most evil dictators that ever walked the earth! And a World War and many countries to stop him, to say nothing of the millions and millions of lives lost.

Germany has controls in effect so this will never happen again. I fear for the Philippines if what I have read about this man is true. I will be praying for your country!
 

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As a Filipino i would love to vote for Duterte but have doubts; he was able to keep Davao on what it is now but i don't think he'll be able to govern the whole Philippines the way he does in Davao...

And i don't think there's a need to change the form of government cause whatever it is, it may be federal, democratic, aristocracy, communist etc. nothing will change if people whom we place on the higher hierarchy are greedy of power still our country end up in a ditch.
 

Blain

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Personally I don't vote, when obama was first running I was a kid he made all kinds of promises just to be elected and honestly I kind of think that is basically what many will do to be elected this time as well. in all honesty we don't even really know these ppl who are running, everyone was so sure about Obama they thought he would be the best for president and he turned out to be the worst we ever had he was nothing like he pretended to be.

in all honesty no matter what any of these canidates say or who they appear to be no matter what promises they make I am unable to believe them, politics is a shifty and sneaky business there is so much deceit in it that honesty is rarely ever put into the soup because honesty in politics will make you drop into last place.
 

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Also, P-Noy Aquino, current president, isn't running anymore (he got stressed out! lol). So we will have a new president. I wonder if there are Filipinos here, who may or may not be in the Philippines right now, who have views on this too.
Abing, i cannot say much on this now. We'll see.
 
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Abing, i cannot say much on this now. We'll see.
Did you hear about Duterte's daughter shaving her head wanting her father to run?
 

maxwel

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Abing,

I'm not an expert on politics in the Philippines;
I only know a bit about Durterte because he's so unusual, and controversial.

To be honest, my primary problem with him is just that the speed limit in Davao is so low!
: )

Anyway, I'd really enjoy hearing the Filipinos discuss the national elections.

So please, if you can get your friends to discuss and contribute, I'd love to hear what everyone thinks.
 
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Abing,

I'm not an expert on politics in the Philippines;
I only know a bit about Durterte because he's so unusual, and controversial.

To be honest, my primary problem with him is just that the speed limit in Davao is so low!
: )

Anyway, I'd really enjoy hearing the Filipinos discuss the national elections.

So please, if you can get your friends to discuss and contribute, I'd love to hear what everyone thinks.
Lol! It's too late for him to run now. He refused so yeah. Actually, I was interested because I've never seen Filipinos so eager to vote for someone lol. Tbh, I wasn't even planning on voting :/

I thought we only had 4 candidates, but we actually have 130 people running for president. Lol. I like to think that's just them making light of the situation (because most of these guys aren't even serious), but really it's my countrymen giving up on our government. It's saddening. Living in Singapore, I always end up comparing. I shouldn't though. It gets disappointing. lol.

Aquino gave up lol.

From the looks of it, I think Mar Roxas has the biggest chance. But Binay isn't far behind though. WE ALL LOATHE HIM. As far as I know. But the usual case is, he'd buy the votes of those in the rural areas. :/ I don't know what will happen to my country if he wins.
 

Kefa54

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At this point I might just pull a name out of a hat and vote. SURPRISE!!!
 

FAITH14

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very well said Maxwel.. Those who will vote, please pray for it.
 

fredoheaven

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Duterte? the one who joke about the Bible and God by supporting gays movement... last week Phil. Daily Inquirer reported saying that in the Bible, God should have included gay in creating Adam and Eve.:confused:
 

Tinkerbell725

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Duterte? the one who joke about the Bible and God by supporting gays movement... last week Phil. Daily Inquirer reported saying that in the Bible, God should have included gay in creating Adam and Eve.:confused:

Duterte? the one who joke about the Bible and God by supporting gays movement... last week Phil. Daily Inquirer reported saying that in the Bible, God should have included gay in creating Adam and Eve.:confused:
Did he really say that? Duterte is a big enigma to me. Maybe he just dont want to condemn gay people. What he hates the most are the criminals who make the world unsafe and he just want to maintain peace and order so that people can work freely and focus on improving their lives. He wants to stop corruption so that services to the people will be more efficient and he will work on the equal distribution of wealth thru federalism so that the poverty problem will be alleviated if not ended once and for all. Dont trust his words because he is used to swearing a lot. It only shows his heart that he is so fed up with our rotten government. He has a good heart for the people, thats what is important. He has a strong sense of justice and there is truth and wisdom in his words if you will really listen well. He is often misunderstood because he speaks differently,very honest. His ways are radical with fast, effective and long term results but I believe his intentions are quite noble. Of all the choices we have now I think he is the lesser evil. Vote wisely...