Are our sins really just burned away?

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The complete Gospel is first the Death where we are in a new covenant reconciled to God the whole world, Hebrews 9:15-17, then after this death that was prooven by the three days being dead, there came the ressurected Christ, and is today waiting for people to come to Faith and quit stopping att he death and trying to stop their own sins. For noone can in and of themselves never could after Adam and Eve even though many tried

So God rich in Mercy gave his only begotten Son to be the last sacrifice and shedding of blood to bring us to God as if we are sinless when no one is ever in and of themselves, so we could have new life a born again life here today here and now in the Spirit of God by the resurrection at the cross

The only way all sin is burned away is by the full Gospel of Christ contained fully in the cross, the death, the burial as proof of the death and most importantly the resurrection yes we are counted sinless and by the realization of who we are we will be sinless but this would and is only from God by the cross of Christ
Romans 6

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6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Therefore then we do the next verse by Faith it is done not of self ever
1 John 3:3
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Great passages homeward. Many ask, ''how is it possible to not sin'', but Paul asks a very different question, he asks ''how are we who are dead sin live any longer therein. And as to 1 John 3:3 how pure was Jesus? He was spotless, blameless, sinless, and so should all who have the hope of resurrection be
 

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Sinless, you are not very humble yourself, though. I've honestly never met a man who had the audacity to say he is sinless with such assurity as you do.
oh they're all over the place.
it's not audacity.
John said they had NO TRUTH in them.
they're deceived and deceiving.
 
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oh they're all over the place.
it's not audacity.
John said they had NO TRUTH in them.
they're deceived and deceiving.
Do your words apply to yourself concerning any doctrine that comes from the mouth of our Lord. If you have it wrong, including the resurrection, then are you also deceived and deceiving others? Would that qualify for having no truth if you got it wrong as well? How bold you are in labeling others so radically leaving no room for error associated with bad teaching or immaturity or for correction through much patience. You don't seem to have much patience with others and when that happens calling them evil seems to be a practice with you. I am sure there have been loving Christians who love the Lord that you have converted to the error of some of your own doctrinal understanding. Perhaps you have swerved them away from the truth and from the word they were taught as a new believer and creature in Christ. It seems that you will not be moved in some of your own stands on certain doctrinal issues that seem to be rooted in personal preference because of certain segments of the church that teach otherwise who you have no respect or honor for in the body of Christ. Forgive me if I am wrong on this but I don't think I am. I only say this because you are so free with your own tongue.
 

zone

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nothing much to say to you Red33.
 
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Is it more humble to submit yourself to the commandment of Christ, and live sinlessly, or to continue in rebellion against His commandments, and demand He allow you in Heaven even though you refuse to stop sinning?
I haven't got an answer to this as of yet
 

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sinless, refusing to sin is not practical since we are human. That is like refusing to breathe and stay alive. Why can't this sink into your sin. WANTING and DESIRING to sin is a better argument for you to make and hang your hat on.
 
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sinless, refusing to sin is not practical since we are human. That is like refusing to breathe and stay alive. Why can't this sink into your sin. WANTING and DESIRING to sin is a better argument for you to make and hang your hat on.
Jesus didn't command us not to breath?????????

What I am looking for is an answer to this question

''Is it more humble to submit yourself to the commandment of Christ, and live sinlessly, or to continue in rebellion against His commandments, and demand He allow you in Heaven even though you refuse to stop sinning?''

Oh, and I hang my hat on what God says in His word, not what I can wrap my human mind around.

God is able to keep me from sinning
 
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sinless, refusing to sin is not practical since we are human. That is like refusing to breathe and stay alive. Why can't this sink into your sin. WANTING and DESIRING to sin is a better argument for you to make and hang your hat on.

Jesus said, ''Go and sin no more.'' So you think He was telling you not to breathe?
 
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All thing are possible with God

Some will tell you it is impossible to live a life of pure obedience to God without ever stumbling or sinning. However Jesus said though it may be impossible for men, all things are possible for God. Moreover He said that to us who believe all things are possible. Finally Paul wrote that God is not only able to do what we believe or think He can, but He can do exceedingly, abundantly more than we could ever even imagine. And how does God accomplish this? Though the Holy Spirit power that is already dwelling in us.

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
 
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Jesus said, ''Go and sin no more.'' So you think He was telling you not to breathe?
We are all to put away the flesh and the things of the flesh. We are all to love not the world neither the things that are in the world. We are to walk and live in the Spirit so that we do not fulfill any lusts of the flesh. That is clear. We also know that the Spirit is contrary to the flesh. Many abstain from the works of the flesh because of sin but do we consider it disobedience when we are convicted to take a certain course of action and do it not? Do we do what the scriptures teach when we have ought against our brother? Do we obey 1 Corinthians 13 when it tells us that love thinks no evil? Do we lay our life down unconditionally for the brethren and love them despite their sin or do we reject them on the basis of their sin and refrain from giving them grace they do not deserve? Do we welcome the prodigal son back by going out of our way to run him down and kiss him repeatedly on the neck giving him a celebration of mercy and restore him back 100 % with no probation or eye of suspicion?

Do we repeat a matter and expose the sin of another when the scriptures teach us that love covers a multitude of sin? Do we malign God's servants because we don't agree with what they teach or who they happen to associate with? Do we forget that Christ was a friend of sinners and was accused of many things because he spent so much time with them? Would we be appalled at the sight of a woman who had sinned much washing the feet of the Master if he were here today? Do we refrain ourselves from uncomely sinners because we do not want to be seen with them and ruin our reputation in the eyes of others? Would we give our life for the drug addict, the sex addict, the dregs of society and those who have engaged in the most despicable sins of the flesh or would we choose NOT to be like our Lord who laid his life down on the cross and bore their sins on his own body and suffered death for those sins?
 

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Im so glad you asked, the answer is in the scriptures of course...keep you eyes on Jesus.

If we keep our mind fixed on and our gaze set on Jesus Christ, we will not have to strive against sin, it will just fall to the wayside. Sin cannot touch us when Jesus is our first love.

Hebrews 12
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith


By looking to Jesus we can lay aside every sin that does so easily beset us.
specifically sinless is this accomplished by us our flesh? Or by the Spirit of God and God onlyin us and throguh us? Or both. Thanks for your answer
 

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Great passages homeward. Many ask, ''how is it possible to not sin'', but Paul asks a very different question, he asks ''how are we who are dead sin live any longer therein. And as to 1 John 3:3 how pure was Jesus? He was spotless, blameless, sinless, and so should all who have the hope of resurrection be
yes we are called ot holiness in Christ in Christ our co-signer into this amazing salvation and yes if we beleive by the cross the death that we are dead to and have nodoubt then we are madealive in the Spirit of God where no sin is possible so lets learn to stay right there dead to flesh (sin) and alive to God bythe operation of God or don' we know
Romans 6:4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
 

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sinless, refusing to sin is not practical since we are human. That is like refusing to breathe and stay alive. Why can't this sink into your sin. WANTING and DESIRING to sin is a better argument for you to make and hang your hat on.
I am sorry radius sinless never said he wanted to sin and neither have you, sinless is only saying he has decided to trust God in and at the cross to show hihow to sayno to unrighteousenss, which is waht allthat do beleive are after and never take that credit in and of self.I ahve asked him this and he said it is all God. For he does give God all the credit and now lets ask him again Sinless is this true?
 
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Yes Homeward apart from Christ I am nothing but a sinner, a murderer, and any other sinful act or thought you can think of. It is by Grace and grace alone that I am able to bring myself into obedience to our Lord.

You see, it takes God to love God. We need the Spirit's impartation of God's love in us to equip us to love God. Our love for God is a gift from God to us. Our love and desire for God is an expression of His desire for us. We are able to walk victoriously over sin in love with Jesus because of our Bridal identity, and the knowledge of this truth.
 
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[SUP]20[/SUP] Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”
Exodus 20:20

Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
Psalm 97:10

If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin;
but now they have no excuse for their sin
John 15:22
 

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Yes Homeward apart from Christ I am nothing but a sinner, a murderer, and any other sinful act or thought you can think of. It is by Grace and grace alone that I am able to bring myself into obedience to our Lord.

You see, it takes God to love God. We need the Spirit's impartation of God's love in us to equip us to love God. Our love for God is a gift from God to us. Our love and desire for God is an expression of His desire for us. We are able to walk victoriously over sin in love with Jesus because of our Bridal identity, and the knowledge of this truth.
Yes and God gets all the glory in this, thank you for your testimony, and let us both just remember it is not us tha tdo this it is God that does this and be greatful, now if anyone of us gets proud or boastful over obedience that only comes by Faith, a messenger of Satan will come to buffet us as this happened to Paul and Paul learned the counter effect of stopping the iniquities in the future by rejoicing over them which always confuses the enemy and then the enemy tries a differant tactic to thwart the believer into condemnation to thwart others being saved through the amazing grace that God ahs supplied to the believer.
Kind of like King Jehosaphat when he went aginst the enemy of three armies, he sent out the praise and worship band first which thwarted the enemy and they destroyed each other
Or like when Mike Tyson and Holyfield went into battle and Holyfield came out with praise and worship to Jesus and Father, I saw this and told Holly field tonight is in the Holy Field tonight and Tyson is going down. The praise and worship band out front now who in and of this world does this up front. Flesh cannot concieve of this ever only God knows all and I am gladto God's friend by the cross of the Son Jesus Christ WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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[SUP]20[/SUP] Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”
Exodus 20:20

Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
Psalm 97:10

If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin;
but now they have no excuse for their sin
John 15:22
And now by Christ after knowing they are guilty can be renewed first freed from sin by the death then born anew by the resurrection. Halleluah be unto the our Lord and thus Christ's Lord God the Father of all. Thank you Jesus
 
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All Glory goes to the Father for freeing us from sin so we don't have to sin.
Amen :)