Obedience, A Necessary Requirement For Salvation?
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Rabbit trail. . .
Stay on topic.
This is about Ro 3:25-26:
"God presented Jesus as a sacrifice of propitiation (atonement) through faith in his blood.
He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had passed over
(left unpunished) the sins committed beforehand (OT)--he did it to demonstrate his justice
at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies."
Stay on topic.
This is about Ro 3:25-26:
"God presented Jesus as a sacrifice of propitiation (atonement) through faith in his blood.
He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had passed over
(left unpunished) the sins committed beforehand (OT)--he did it to demonstrate his justice
at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies."
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This is very true, but it occurred in 31 AD. What happens next?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
What did Christ tell the woman taken in adultery?
Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Joh 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
He did NOT say, "go and have at it with anybody and everybody", He said go and do not do this thing again.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
What did Christ tell the woman taken in adultery?
Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Joh 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
He did NOT say, "go and have at it with anybody and everybody", He said go and do not do this thing again.
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Even if you are correct I would like to know if you received a special dispensation from God to know the hearts of other professing Christians? I feel it is quite wrong to say that only those who produce 100 fold are saved. Perhaps we would do well to stop worrying about the other guys fruit and tend to our own. Do not impose your standards on others. All Christians appear before the judgment seat of Christ where their works are tried by fire. Not the believers only their works and they receive from the Lord whether good or bad. 1 Cor 3:13, 2 Cor 5:10
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I have to respectfully disagree with the above, there was no appeasement, no expiation as such. Christ paid for our sins by dying. His life, as the Creator of all, was worth more than the sum total of the creation. When He willingly died, His death was worth more than all that have or ever will live....
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Since the life is in the blood, Christ's shedding of His own blood caused Him to die. He died, stone cold dead.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
His life was layed down to justify us and reconcile us. He willingly did this and we are the glad recipients. It goes like this...
Suppose you or I have committed a capital crime, are caught and found guilty. We are in the sentencing phase and the judge has sentenced us to die. A wonderfully kind man steps up and says "I know this person is guilty and deserves the death penalty but I will take it for them." And He does. The death penalty has been satisfied and we are released.
Past sins are NOT overlooked, they are paid in full.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Since the life is in the blood, Christ's shedding of His own blood caused Him to die. He died, stone cold dead.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
His life was layed down to justify us and reconcile us. He willingly did this and we are the glad recipients. It goes like this...
Suppose you or I have committed a capital crime, are caught and found guilty. We are in the sentencing phase and the judge has sentenced us to die. A wonderfully kind man steps up and says "I know this person is guilty and deserves the death penalty but I will take it for them." And He does. The death penalty has been satisfied and we are released.
Past sins are NOT overlooked, they are paid in full.
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Why do people constantly engineer these types of questions that don't leave enough room to consider the whole counsel of God? Some of these questions are engineered in such a way that they can only be answered with a handful of Bible verses.
People ask these zero sum type questions like..
"Well isn't it only by grace through faith?"
"Is it once saved only saved?"
"Is baptism necessary?"
And even more etc..you get the point.
Then like fools we rush to answer them, even though the question doesn't leave room for the entirety of God's word.
Maybe before we rush to address them, we should first decide if the question is engineered in such a way that you can't give a complete answer from God's word.
People ask these zero sum type questions like..
"Well isn't it only by grace through faith?"
"Is it once saved only saved?"
"Is baptism necessary?"
And even more etc..you get the point.
Then like fools we rush to answer them, even though the question doesn't leave room for the entirety of God's word.
Maybe before we rush to address them, we should first decide if the question is engineered in such a way that you can't give a complete answer from God's word.