Are muslims really worshiping satan?

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Who do Muslims really worship?

  • Satan

    Votes: 13 29.5%
  • The God of the bible

    Votes: 11 25.0%
  • A non-existant god

    Votes: 17 38.6%
  • Mickey Mouse

    Votes: 3 6.8%

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Muslims see Christians as infidels so I don't see a problem saying they worship satan. We might think it is simply a harmless religion and they worship God but they do not.
There is a satanic and occult and dark spiritual side of Islam which is about using mind control and things like this (eg to control or get women), that is prevalent moreso in various sects of Islam in the largest muslim country of the world - Indonesia. My Muslim friend has told me stories of 'genies' which would make lights flicker and smash sign posts etc, these are nothing but demonic spirits. If they pray to Allah or "god" and see their desires met that is probably satan answering their desires and requests, and in doing so deceiving them into thinking they know the true God.
 
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Cup of Ruin.
What I meant is that all sides claim that God speaks to them. So using that as an argument for "my version is correct" falls on the fact that you might be the one hearing the false voice. As all sides are convinced that they are correct, you have to at least admit the possibility that God is in fact speaking to either none or possibly all.
After all He did at least during one point speak to the Jews. Whether He spoke to Muhammed or not, who knows? Theoreticly It's possible he said "Oh Muhammed, there's some spelling errors I'd like you to fix." And then it all went horribly wrong from there.

And I never said that ALL wars were about religion. But most have infact claimed that God was on their side in one war or another and though most wars aren't directly influenced by religion. (I'd say pretty much none of them are, they are all geo-political) It doesn't stop people from invoking Gods name. Both the Nazis and the Allied on several occasions claimed that God was on their side.
Hitler even refered to himself as the Hand of God several times.
But don't take it as a reason to start discussing which side God supports. I'm just saying that all Humans like to think that God is on their side, no matter what they are doing.

Sharp.
It's not that much of a stretch to believe that they are worshipping God but not Jesus. After all, it's what the Jews are doing. They are clearly worshipping the same god without Jesus, whether they are wrong or forsaken is not the issue here. All I'm saying is that they are the same god as christians just that they don't admit that Jesus is his son. And that might make them misguided by hardly devil-worshippers.

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"There is a satanic and occult and dark spiritual side of Islam which is about using mind control and things like this (eg to control or get women), that is prevalent moreso in various sects of Islam in the largest muslim country of the world - Indonesia. My Muslim friend has told me stories of 'genies' which would make lights flicker and smash sign posts etc, these are nothing but demonic spirits. If they pray to Allah or "god" and see their desires met that is probably satan answering their desires and requests, and in doing so deceiving them into thinking they know the true God."

And you say that these things does not exist in Christianity? I know several Christian cults that excerise the same "mind control" on women. And if you change the name of Genies to the devil or satan it is exactly the same in christianity. After all, many christians believe in possessions and that the devil is clearly able to flicker lights and smash sign posts.
These Genies are also part of the geological myth. Just like people believe in Big Foot and Yetis, (or garden gnomes in Sweden, we fell a bit behind on the coolness of mythological creatures)

Personally and yes this is just my own personal opinion not backed up by any fact of scripture. I'd like to believe that if you pray the one God, He will answer no matter how wrong your way of praying is. (Okay so sacrificing Humans and the like might be a bit overboard but I'm speaking in realistic terms here)
After all God forgives us for our sins I'm quite sure he can forgive us for worshipping him incorrectly if he didn't he could always come down with some angels or some divine smiting to show us that we are doing it wrong.
 
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Cup of Ruin.
What I meant is that all sides claim that God speaks to them. So using that as an argument for "my version is correct" falls on the fact that you might be the one hearing the false voice. As all sides are convinced that they are correct, you have to at least admit the possibility that God is in fact speaking to either none or possibly all.
I think you are trying to come to grips with what is called 'absolute truth' as opposed to the more prevailent post-modernist concept of personal relativity, or the concept that there is no truth only perception or relative perspective so that ultimate universal absolute truth cannot be known.

In a theological and philosophical sense a Christian comes to grips with absolute truth and to be honest that selfish personal perspective ends up getting smashed to peices when you confront real truth.

So no, I do not believe it's all a matter of personal taste and fancy, it's not something that I just happen to prefer to something else, what I want or like dosen't come into it, it's just a case that God has declared Himself as absolute truth and Creator , and I have to come to terms with that, and I am sure it is something that all Christians often stuggle to deal with.

And I never said that ALL wars were about religion. But most have infact claimed that God was on their side in one war or another and though most wars aren't directly influenced by religion. (I'd say pretty much none of them are, they are all geo-political) It doesn't stop people from invoking Gods name. Both the Nazis and the Allied on several occasions claimed that God was on their side.
Hitler even refered to himself as the Hand of God several times.
But don't take it as a reason to start discussing which side God supports. I'm just saying that all Humans like to think that God is on their side, no matter what they are doing.
Well God is a warrior, He certainly has proven Himself to be so, the Bible says; "A time to kill, and a time to heal, a time to break down, and a time to build up. A time to love and a time to hate, a time of war and a time of peace." Ecclesiastes 3:3-8

Sharp.
It's not that much of a stretch to believe that they are worshipping God but not Jesus. After all, it's what the Jews are doing. They are clearly worshipping the same god without Jesus, whether they are wrong or forsaken is not the issue here. All I'm saying is that they are the same god as christians just that they don't admit that Jesus is his son. And that might make them misguided by hardly devil-worshippers.
Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works and tribulation, and poverty but thou art rich, and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not but are the Synagogue of Satan."

Bible says that the Jews worship Satan.

You see he who does not have the Son does not have the Father, the Son and the Father are one, there is no doubt about this, the Bible makes it very clear that anybody calling themself a "Jew" is worshipping Satan and not God. All power and authority has been handed to the Son, there is no way to the Father but through the Son.
 
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And you say that these things does not exist in Christianity? I know several Christian cults that excerise the same "mind control" on women.
There's no such thing as Christian cults. But I know what you mean. The difference is these things are part of Islam the religion. But not part of Christianity. There is a spiritual dimension in Islam which is mostly darkness.


Personally and yes this is just my own personal opinion not backed up by any fact of scripture. I'd like to believe that if you pray the one God, He will answer no matter how wrong your way of praying is. (Okay so sacrificing Humans and the like might be a bit overboard but I'm speaking in realistic terms here)
After all God forgives us for our sins I'm quite sure he can forgive us for worshipping him incorrectly if he didn't he could always come down with some angels or some divine smiting to show us that we are doing it wrong.
Yes unfortunately it is not well supported by Scripture therefore I leave it up to you to decide whether or not your beliefs are sound doctrine. It's fine to believe they worship the same God but think about, what kind of God that they worship would demand the the kind of penal and harsh punishments under strict Sharia law that exists in those countries? If you dig deeper I'm sure you will conclude that the God of Islam is not the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If not on the basis of God's plan of sending Jesus Christ, then on the basis of how they view God's nature to be?
 
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Cup of Ruin I'll leave the argument having read your other posts I've seen your views on jews and I do not wish to continue that debate. You are entitled to your opinion.

MahogonySnail:
No it's not part of Islam. No more than the bible asks us to stone our daughters to death if they do not obey or that it's a sin to wear materials made out of two different materials.
The God of the bible isn't exactly all hugs and cuddles, he is quite harsh and deals out punishments left and right not to mention that there are laws which are more or less impossible to not break. You try not to covet that beautiful lady or the chocolate cake she's eating.

The difference is which you must learn to see. The culture surrounding the muslim nation is one that believes that you should follow the (quran) scripture to the letter. Which is actually what Sharia is about. Add then the culture that physical violence is okay and you see where we are going?
If we would have had the same reasoning in the western nation. We might deal out lashes for coveting, kill for adultery and stone women to death for speaking in churches.

The sad fact is that it wasn't that many years ago that it was the reality. Look back on history, we did the exakt same thing in the middle ages. We did the exact same thing using the scripture to promote race-hatred, inventing race-laws and flogging people, remember Rosa Parks? This is just some 50-years back.

You have to seperate the middle-eastern culture and the religion. Many muslims when they are brought up in a safer enviroment looks at disgust at what is known as "muslim" behaviour.
Notice that there are currently ongoing battles, muslim against muslim to prevent Sharia laws to be enforced Pakistans latest troubles being one example.
 
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If they belived ni the same God as Christians they would believe in Christ. It is that simple. If you have the father, you have the Son. Muslims show they do not know or worship God as they don't have the Son.
 
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"And this is the will of Him that sent Me, that whosever seeth the Son and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up in the last day." John 6:40.

See, Jesus Christ is the Resurrection, and there is no other Name given unto men! Not 'allah' or 'jehova' or whatever the muslims or jews call god, NO, God declares His Christ to have the Name, a name above all other names, and it is in Him that is the light and the truth and the way, there simply is no other way, no other option; you are either with Him or against Him, and if you are against Him then you will still have to bend the knee and confess that He is Lord, for all His enemies will be His made His footstool. The earth and universe and everything in it belongs to Jesus Christ He created and it's His and no one can take it away from Him.
 
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If we think the bible contradicts itself then we are the ones who cannot understand a particular part of the bible, we are confused not God or his word. Jesus is the word and your saying he's a contradiction. when there appears to be a contradiction in scripture its generally a paradox, its saying the same thing but from 2 different perspectives. Any bible scholar knows that the 1st rule in interpreting scripture is no passage can be interpreted by itself it needs to be viewed in the light of the entire word. So if there is a contradiction to you or me its our finite minds that are wrong not Gods word.
Agreed!

1) The books of the new testement were read and passed around homes and churches long before catholics had there council. These books were accepted as inspired writtings by the first christians and delt with in that way. Church councils are not inspired and the only reason they felt it nessesary to make the cannon was to answer herecies of the time thats all. The church did not create the new testament.
If you recall, there are several different canons. There is the Jewish Canon, pronounced at the Council of Jamnia, which since has been adopted by most Protestants, there is the Orthodox canon, which was altered at the time of the schism in the 11th century, and there is the Catholic canon which has remained the same since 382 AD. Disputes happened before the canon was finalized at the Council of Rome in 382 AD and reaffirmed by subsequent councils in Ephesus and Carthage, but the law of the Church was upheld and all Christians around the world held to that law. The canon was, at that time represented as 71 Books (not 73 only because Baruch and Lamentations were originally considered to be part of Jeremiah, until they were later separated and the canon changed to 73 Books without changing the context inside). The printing press was about 1000 years in the future and all copies of Holy Writ were copied by hand, making them very expensive. Thus, not many copies were made to be “passed around from house to house” as this was not logistically possible at that time. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, through the authority of their councils, as Biblically demonstrated in Acts 15, determined the canon for all Christians around the world. This canon still stands today within the Catholic Church.

2) regardless of wether men and there councils came to any conclusions or not on the nature of christ and the trinity doesnt mean we figured something out of our own thinking. The word of God still remained intact and said the same thing to them as it did when it was written. Like you said divine assistance. Besides all of the early church councils were not establishing new christian laws and doctrines, they were simply answering the herecies that crept up throughout time. And they used the bible to answer them, at least untill Rome became a powerful church.
Remember why Rome became a powerful Church: to stop the Muslims from spreading their atrocities around the world. You remember the crusades? You can thank the Catholic Church for fighting to keep your right to pray to God and worship Jesus as Lord, instead of paying homage to Allah and quoting the prophet Mohammed. You’re right about the Divine assistance: Jesus told St. Peter that He would be with Him until the end of the age (St. Matthew 28:20) and the uniformity oneness of the Councils throughout the ages is proof as represented in Acts 5:38-39.

3) Exactly, so that means there is something wrong with the message, I think not. You can have a song on the radio and 2 different people hear 2 different things. Whats different? Not the song it was a recording, but the 2 people have the mis-interpretation. Thats why we need the Holy Spirit to reveal the truths of Gods word.
Yes, I agree. However, can you tell me why two different people, who believe what you just said, can come away with two completely different versions of the fundamentals of salvation?

4) Well again if you disagree with Paul and John on the completeness of scripture and inspiration as the word of God then thats a problem for me. I just disagree with you here. Also there is more preserved manuscripts of the new testament that completely agree then any other ancient document on earth.
5,6) Well how can we understand it if its not in english, thats a real problem I agree with you, I usually only concider the KJV as my translation of choice, simply because the authors of the KJV truly believed that the bible in its entirety was the word of God and they treated it that way. I dont think anyone can say that about most other translations. You as well seem to be fallen into the thinking that most bible translators are in that the bible is not the word of God. I think thats is a tragic shame. Satan has been attacking the bible since adam and eve, now his work is done in modern translations.
The KJV had only one translator: Erasmus, who was a Catholic Augustinian Priest. However, the version being sold in stores today is still missing 7 Books which Erasmus included in his translation.
 
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9 people on a christian site believe the muslims worship the same God we do the God of the bible, this is on 20 some % but really that is 20 some % more than it should be. WOW!!!!, these are the last day indeed. 2nd Timothy 3:13 ''deceived and deceiving''
 
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As to wether "Allah" has anything to do with it or not i find almost offensive. God is called Gud in swedish? So I'm worshipping another god then? And shouldn't you all be worshipping the wrong god according to that logic since contrary to common belief the bible wasn't written in english.

And of course they are worshipping the same god. Think of it in this way. If the trinity is represented by three Red Dots on your average MS paint screen. And you draw one blue giant line that covers them all you have christianity. Then you draw one green thin line that just hits the red God dot and you have Islam. Same God, quite possibly the wrong way to worship. But still the same God.
 
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As to wether "Allah" has anything to do with it or not i find almost offensive. God is called Gud in swedish? So I'm worshipping another god then? And shouldn't you all be worshipping the wrong god according to that logic since contrary to common belief the bible wasn't written in english.
You have really missed the point. It is not that we call God God and they call God Allah, it is that the character of Allah is not the same as the character of the God of the bible they are two different intities, not the same intities referred to with two diferent names.

And of course they are worshipping the same god. Think of it in this way. If the trinity is represented by three Red Dots on your average MS paint screen. And you draw one blue giant line that covers them all you have christianity. Then you draw one green thin line that just hits the red God dot and you have Islam. Same God, quite possibly the wrong way to worship. But still the same God.
Allah is Satan not Jahovah. Do you worship Satan? I certainly do not. You can claim allah as your god if you want, but you really should be aware of what that claim means.
 
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You have really missed the point. It is not that we call God God and they call God Allah, it is that the character of Allah is not the same as the character of the God of the bible they are two different intities, not the same intities referred to with two diferent names.

Allah is Satan not Jahovah. Do you worship Satan? I certainly do not. You can claim allah as your god if you want, but you really should be aware of what that claim means.

Allah (Arabic: الله‎, Allāh, IPA: [ʔalˤːɑːh] (
listen)) is the standard Arabic word for God.[1] While the term is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God, it is used by Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, in reference to "God".[1][2][3] The term was also used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[4]


The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʼilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ho theos monos).[4] Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[3] The corresponding Aramaic form is אֱלָהָא ʼĔlāhā in Biblical Aramaic and ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ ʼAlâhâ or ʼĀlōho in Syriac.[10]
The contraction of al- and ʼilāh in forming the term Allāh ("the god", masculine form) parallels the contraction of al- and ʼilāha in forming the term Allāt ("the goddess", feminine form).[11]
 
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No matter how nice or religious muslims appear to be, I do believe they worship satan , because even satan can appear to be good and an angel of light. Even if someone says ' i worship God', and live a good life, that doesn't mean they are worshipping God. If they aren't worshipping God, they are worshipping their humanity and the world and therefore satan. There is no middle ground, it's either satan or God. And the whole world system comes under the categary of satan. As Jesus said to Peter, "get away from me satan, because your thoughts do not come from God but from man", when Peter said Christ must not go to the cross.
But what tree do muslims worship?, the tree of life who is Christ, or the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It is the latter, and so they serve the flesh and satan.

These verses here counter any arguments by those who think that a person can live a nice little quiet life and love 'God', Allah or Buddha or whoever, and do all the right things, and still make it to heaven:
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Acts 17 reinforces the exclusiveness and specific requirements of everyone in the whole world to believe in Jesus, Muslims included.
 
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Allah (Arabic: الله‎, Allāh, IPA: [ʔalˤːɑːh] (
listen)) is the standard Arabic word for God.[1] While the term is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God, it is used by Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, in reference to "God".[1][2][3] The term was also used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[4]
Allah was not the ''creator god' or ''supreme deity'' pre islam. Allah was the moon god before Muhhamad and Islam.
 
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One of the favourite arguments of the Christian missionaries over many years had been that Allah of the Qur'an was in fact a pagan Arab "Moon-god" from pre-Islamic times. The seeds of this argument were sown by the work of the Danish scholar Ditlef Nielsen, who divided the Semitic deities into a triad of Father-Moon, Mother-Sun and Son-Venus.[1] His ideas (esp., triadic hypothesis) were used uncritically by later scholars who came to excavate many sites in the Near East and consequently assigned astral significance to the deities that they had found. Since 1991 Ditlef Nielsen's views were given a new and unexpected twist by the Christian polemicist Robert Morey. In a series of pamphlets, books and radio programs, he claimed that "Allah" of the Qur'an was nothing but the pagan Arab "Moon-god". To support his views, he presented evidences from the Near East which can be seen in "Appendix C: The Moon God and Archeology" from his book The Islamic Invasion: Confronting The World's Fastest-Growing Religion and it was subsequently reprinted with minor changes as a booklet called The Moon-God Allah In The Archeology Of The Middle East.[2] It can justifiably be said that this book lies at the heart of missionary propaganda against Islam today. The popularity of Morey's ideas was given a new breath of life by another Christian polemicist Jack T. Chick, who drew a fictionalised racially stereotyped story entitled "Allah Had No Son".
Morey's ideas have gained widespread popularity among amenable Christians, and, more often than not, Muslims find themselves challenged to refute the 'archaeological' evidence presented by Morey. Surprisingly, it has also been suggested by some Christians that Morey has conducted "groundbreaking research on the pre-Islamic origins of Islam." In this article, we would like to examine the two most prominent evidences postulated by Morey, namely the archaeological site in Hazor, Palestine and the Arabian "Moon temple" at Hureidha in Hadhramaut, Yemen, along with the diagrams presented in Appendix C of his book The Islamic Invasion: Confronting The World's Fastest-Growing Religion (and booklet The Moon-God Allah In The Archeology Of The Middle East) all of which he uses to claim that Allah of the Qur'an was a pagan "Moon-god".[3]


Morey's claim that the moon worship was dominant in Arabia, especially in the south, can be summed up with a quote from his book:
During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba)...
The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god...
In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidha, that she had uncovered a temple of the Moon-god in southern Arabia. The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than twenty-one inscriptions with the name Sin were found in this temple. An idol which may be the Moon-god himself was also discovered. This was later confirmed by other well-known archeologists.[22]
Let us now look into the so-called "amazing discoveries" made in Southern Arabia which led Morey to claim that the archaeological evidence "demonstrates" that the dominant religion in Arabia was the cult of a Moon-god.
To begin with, the South-Arabian pantheon is not properly known. Its astral foundation is indisputable. As in most contemporary Semitic cults, the southern Arabs worshipped stars and planets, chief among whom were the Sun, Moon and ‘Athtar, the Venus.[23] The relation to the divine was deeply rooted in public and private life. The concept of State was expressed through the "national god, sovereign, people". Each of the South Arabian kingdoms had its own national god, who was the patron of the principal temple in the capital. In Sheba, it was Ilmaqah (also called Ilumquh or Ilmuqah or Almaqah or Almouqah), in the temple of the federation of the Sabaean tribes in Marib. In Hadramaut (or Hadhramaut), Syn (or Sayin) was the national god and his temple was located in the capital Shabwa. In Qataban, the national god was called ‘Amm ("paternal uncle"), who was the patron of the principal temple in the capital Timna‘. ‘Amm was seen as a protector of the Qatabanite dynasty, and it was under his authority that the ruler carried out various projects of the state. In Ma‘in, the national god was Wadd ("love") and it originated most probably from Northern Arabia. He was sometimes invoked as Wadd-Abb ("Wadd is father").[24]
In order to understand the religion and culture of Southern Arabia, it must be borne in mind that the monuments and inscriptions already show a highly developed civilization, whose earlier and more primitive phases we know nothing about. This civilization had links with the Mediterranean region and Mesopotamian areas - which is evidenced by the development and evolutionary trends of its architecture and numismatics. This exchange certainly influenced the religious phenomena of the culture and it is primarily here we should look to illuminate the theological outlook of the Sheba region; certainly not among the nomadic bedouin of the centre and north of the Arabian peninsula. It was the failure to take into account these crucial principles that led Ditlef Nielsen into his extravagant hypothesis that all ancient Arabian religion was a primitive religion of nomads, whose objects of worship were exclusively a triad of the Father-Moon, Mother-Sun and the Son-Venus star envisaged as their child.[25] Not only was this an over-simplified view based on an unproven hypothesis, it is also quite absurd to think that over a millennium-long period during which paganism is known to have flourished, there was not substantial shifts of thinking about the deities. Not surprisingly, Nielsen's triadic hypothesis was handed a devastating refutation by many scholars (a detailed discussion is available below), albeit some of them still retained his arbitrary assignment of astral significance to the deities.[26] While discussing the pantheon of South Arabian gods and its reduction to a triad by Nielsen, Jacques Ryckmans says:
Many mention of gods are pure appellations, which do not allow defining the nature, or even the sex, of the deities names. This explains why the ancient claim of D. Nielsen to reduce the whole pantheon to a basic triad Moon-father, Sun-mother (sun is feminine in Arabia), and Venus-son, has continued to exert negative influence, in spite of its having been widely contested: it remained tempting to explain an unidentified feminine epithet as relating to the Sun-goddess, etc.[27]
The crude logic of the proponents of Nielsen's hypothesis is that since Shams ("Sun") is feminine in epigraphic South Arabian, the other principal deity must be masculine and this was equated with the moon. The relationship between Father-Moon and Mother-Sun produced Son-Venus star, their child. How did this erroneous interpretation affect the data from Southern Arabia where some "amazing discoveries" were made? We will examine this is the next few sections.



For his evidence of a Moon-god cult in Northern Arabia, Morey starts of by saying:
Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them.[116]
For Southern Arabia Morey told us about alleged Moon-god worship everywhere and he furnished us with names of discoverers, dates of discoveries, names of discovery sites, and lots of pictures to boot. Why is it that when it comes to Northern Arabia he offered not a shred of evidence? The only authorities he quotes to support his statement that the "three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them", are Isaac Rabinowitz,[117] Edward Lipinski[118] and H. J. W. Drijvers.[119]
To begin with, none of these scholars even mention that Allah was a Moon-god in their works. Rabinowitz's two papers in the Journal Of Near Eastern Studies deal with mention of Han-'Ilat on vessels from Egypt. The pagan goddess Atirat, who was widely worshipped in the Middle East, was discussed by Lipinski. There is no mention of al-‘Uzza and Manat in his paper, let alone they being the daughters of "Moon-god" Allah. As for the work of Drijvers, he discusses extensively the iconography of Allat in Palmyra. If there was something significant in these writings, Morey would have made direct quotation. The fact is that none of these works mention Allah was a Moon-god. Once again, Morey shows himself adept at fabricating evidence.





In Short: Missionaries wanted to show that Allah was not the same God. They faked evidence, used flawed logic and not so seldom straight out lied.
And if you want to go into the history of our "previous" beliefs? Almost everything in the bible can be linked to previous gods and religions as is most of our traditions like the fact that Jesus birthday just happends to be on the same day as the previous sun gods celebration.



Note that I am in no way saying that christianity is false or the anything along the lines. But just as Islam has previous history so do Christianity. The ideas did not just pop up out of nowhere.
(whether you want to put this down to previous human tribes having recieved flawed divine guidance or pure coincidence it's your choice.)


The entire article can be found at http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html
and parts borrowed from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_god


While yes it can be said that using islamic awareness to counter christian propaganda is evil or heretical the article is scientific and can support it's claim based on science and logic unlike the accusation that "allah is a moon god" that people seem to be fond of.
 
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Lindqvist, are you a muslim, you sure defend them as if they were one of your own, and you claim their god as yours?
 
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No I am not a muslim, nor have I been or ever had any intention of becoming one. I am simply using logic to deduct what is an obvious conclusion as shown by the MS paint example.
I do not agree with their teachings, I do not believe the Quran is correct, I do not believe that Muhammed is the one and only prophet. Nor am I in anyway saying that their teachings are correct or that God in anyway responds to their prayer. But that does not mean that they cannot pray to him. After all if you are standing inside a barn and shooting a rifle, even if you miss you are still going to hit the barn.
 
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Lindqvist while God does hear the prayers of unbelievers and chooses to respond to them and be involved in their life as He wills, there is only one way to God the Father and that is through Jesus Christ.
 
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Is Allah the Name of God?

Allah is the name of the only God in Islam. Allah is a pre-Islamic name coming from the compound Arabic word Al-ilah which means the God, which is derived from al (the) ilah (deity).

The Arabic name for “God” is the word “Al-ilah.” It is a generic title for whatever god was considered the highest god. Different Arab tribes used “Allah” to refer to its personal high god. “Allah” was being worshipped at the Kaa’ba in Mecca by Arabs prior to the time of Mohammed. It was formerly the name of the chief god among the numerous idols (360) in the Kaaba in Mecca before Mohammed made them into monotheists. Historians have shown that the moon god called “Hubal” was the god to whom Arabs prayed at the Kaa’ba and they used the name “Allah” when they prayed.

Today a Muslim is one who submits to the God Allah.

Islam means submission to (Allah), but originally it meant that strength which characterized a desert warrior who, even when faced with impossible odds, would fight to the death for his tribe. (Dr. M. Baravmann, The Spiritual Background of Early Islam, E. J. Brill, Leiden, 1972)

Many believe the word “Allah” was derived from the mid- eastern word “el” which in Ugaritic, Caananite and Hebrew can mean a true or false God. This is not the case, “The source of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning “God” (or a “god”), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity.” (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (ed. Hastings), I:326.)

According to the Encyclopedia of Religion, Allah corresponded to the Babylonian god Baal, and Arabs knew of him long before Mohammed worshipped him as the supreme God. Before Islam the Arabs recognized many gods and goddesses, each tribe had their own deity. There were also nature deities. Allah was the god of the local Quarish tribe, which was Mohammed's tribe before he invented Islam to lead his people out of their polytheism. Allah was then known as the Moon God, who had 3 daughters who were viewed as intercessors for the people into Allah. Their names were Al-at, Al-uzza, and Al-Manat, which were three goddesses; the first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah. Hubal was the chief God of the Kaaba among the other 360 deities. Hubal was the chief God of the Kaaba among the other 360 deities. Hubal was a statue likeness of a man whose body was made of red precious stones whose arms were made of gold. (Reference Islam George Braswell Jr.)

“Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Mohammed rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities...Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this.” (G. J. O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah? (Dorchester House, Bucks, UK, 1994), pg. 138).

History has shown Mecca and the holy stone al-Kaaba were holy sites for pre-Islamic pagan Arabs. The Kaaba in Mecca was formerly named Beit-Allah meaning House of Allah. We are told it was first built in heaven. This is in contradistinction to what Moses was instructed to build, something overlooked by the Muslims in their reading of the Bible.

The Koran tells us that Mohammed drove the other idols away; he made one God now the only god and he was its messenger. He kept the Kaaba as a holy, sacred place and confirmed that the black stone had the power to take away man's sins. He obligated every believer to make a pilgrimage to the stone at least once in his lifetime. (Sura 22:26-37) No Old Testament saint ever had a pilgrimage to the Kaaba and kissed its black stone despite stories that Abraham and Ishmael restored it.

Mohammed used the name Allah which was formerly the name of a specific idol without ever distinguishing it from the idol the Meccan’s were already worshipping. This was a modification of their former worship but never a complete break. He never did say for the people to stop their worship of the wrong Allah, for the right one. It can still be monotheism and not be the God of the Bible

Al-Lat which is a T at the end of the name of Allah, was represented by a square stone whose major sanctuary was in the city of Taif. In the sanctuary was a black stone in the town of Qudayd between Mecca and Medina. She was the goddess of fate, a female counterpart of Allah. Al-uzza was the goddess of east Mecca. It has been said there were human sacrifices made to her and Islamic tradition tells of a story of Mohammed’s grandfather almost sacrificing his son the father of Mohammed to her. What prevented this was his seeking counsel from a fortune teller which told him to ransom his son with one hundred camels. Muslims look to this as the will of Allah to bring Mohammed into existence. (Reference Muhammad husain haykal, Hayat mohammed)

“The name Allah, as the Qur'an itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa.” (Arthur Jeffrey, ed., Islam: Muhammad and His Religion (1958), p. 85.)

The literal name of Mohammed's father in Arabic is Abd Allah. His uncle's name Obred Allah. These names show the devotion of Mohammed's families pagan roots, and also prove that Allah was part of a polytheistic system of worship before Allah was made the supreme and only god from the other God's. This should be proof to the pre- Islamic root of the name of Allah to the Muslim. Remember they were pagans who used this name. He kept his family name above all the other names. Mohammad had good intentions in removing the people from their polytheistic worship however he did not go far enough in his reform.

Mecca was the place where the idol Allah was located, so the people would face in that direction when they prayed. Prior to Islam the people would pray 5 times a day facing Mecca (The Encyclopedia of Islam p.303) Prior to Islam's beginning each Arab tribe used Allah to refer to its own particular high god. This is why Hubal, the Moon god, (known by other names) was the central focus of prayer at the Kaabah and people prayed to Hubal and they used the name Allah. The crescent moon was the symbol of the moon God Allah (Hubal) and is still used as a symbol of Islam today (although they have changed the meaning to be -from Mecca to the moon Islam will spread). Today there is hardly a Muslim that knows its ancient origin. History records it as an ancient pagan fertility symbol that is found throughout the Middle East. Mohammed smashed all the idols that led the people into idolatry but the black stone was kept which Muslims continue to kiss today. This was another practice that preceded Mohammad.

Mohammed made Allah into a single being who, unlike the Bible's God who is called Father, has no Son. Because of this portrayal, there is no fellowship or love among the godhead before God created man. Creation and man therefore become a necessity for God to express His attributes or characteristic's. This God has never revealed Himself to man but revealed only His will. This God is so removed from man that it is impossible to know him in a personal way, he relates to man only through his will and law. It is a religion of obedience no different than any other.

To the Muslim God is strictly singular, all seeing, all hearing, almighty, He is the first and the last. But what differs is that he has no Son and he cannot be called Father.

Of the 99 names of God in Islam, not one is “Father” or has a personal connotation. The difference is not to be overlooked. The God of the Bible is personal and wants an ongoing friendship with each of us. Islam portrays God as one who expects us to do our religious duty or He angers. There are rules to be obeyed and one can only please him but not know him personally. No Muslim would ever consider being able to have a personal relationship with him, by talking to him, and loving him. Jesus instead taught Christians to pray “our Father in heaven” (Matthew 6:9). Throughout the Old Testament God was real to the prophets who had him personally speak to them and they to him. “Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously with one another by profaning the covenant of the fathers?” (Mal 2:10)

In Islam some state that if one memorizes the 99 names of Allah and repeats them he will get into paradise because they give the believer power, making them conscious of God. Neither the Koran nor the Hadith speak of these names in such a way. The Suras in the Koran begin with “In the name of Allah, most gracious, most merciful. Yet in practice Islam's god is portrayed as stern, harsh, having compassion on those who do right and deals severely with those who do not.

To a Muslim they refer to Jesus as Isa but this is not the true Jesus of the Word of God. They claim He is not the son of God and that he did not die on the cross for our sins. By stating this their Isa is another Jesus.

Muslims claim that the name Allah can be found in the Bible. Allah is not called Yahweh once in the Koran but neither is Yahweh called Allah in the Bible. So they can't be the same God. Neither is the word Elohim which is applied to Yahweh over 2,500 times in the Bible used in the Koran. Neither is he called I Am, which He said to Moses would be His name forever.

The God of the Bible identifies himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacobs name is later changed to the name Israel, being the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. The God of the Bible calls Jerusalem the city of David and that the Messiah would descend from his lineage. Neither does the God of the Bible does not mention Mecca or Medina but instead Jerusalem 800 times. Yet Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Koran, which the Muslim claims as there own.

The God in the Bible is called the God of the Jews, an impossibility with Allah. They are called his chosen people, but they are not Allah's chosen. Allah commands the Muslim to not take the Jews or Christians as friends, Sura.5:51 disdains the Jews. Mohammed said, “The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them.” (Mishkat Al Masabih Sh.M. Ashraf pp.147, 721, 810-11, 1130). So how could Israel inherit the land or any of God's promises from Allah, if he is their God. Clearly he is not the same God of the Bible.

Muslims trying to prove their position from the Bible point to the Old Testament with the word alleluyah, interpreting the first portion of the word alle as Allah. The word [H]alleluyah is not a compound Hebrew word. It is not two words but a singular word meaning praise to Yahweh. (alle- praise, lu-to, yah-Yaweh). The beginning of the word is Hallel meaning praise. This has nothing to do with an Allah, and the last syllable of the word is a reference to Yahweh the God of the Bible, this is hardly any evidence for their assertions. They are also confusing Aramaic with Arabic. This is not unusual, as Muslims will often take words and meanings set in another language and culture and adopt them for proof of their own book or religion.

This word play only gets more ludicrous as they try to have Jesus saying the name of their God. When Jesus was on the cross they claim when he cried out Eli, Eli it was really is Allah, Allah. The New Testament was written in Greek, however it points us to him speaking the Aramaic language, not Arabic. Jesus was quoting Psalm 22:1 which read in full says, Eli, Eli Sabbathani “My God, My God why have you forsaken me.” What makes even less sense for this position is the fact that they don't believe that it was Jesus on the cross in the first place, but that another took His place. Some think it was Judas; so it was Judas crying out Allah, Allah?

The first Arabic translation of the Bible was made about the 9th century. Nowhere is the name of Allah found in the Old or New Testament. When Islam became the dominant political force people were coerced to use the name Allah for God or suffer the consequences from the hands of militant Muslims. Because of Islam's dominance Allah became the common name of God. The translators of the Bible gave in to the religious pressures and substituted Allah for Yahweh in the Arabic Bibles, but this is not the name of the God of the Hebrews, nor of the creator who made heaven and earth because of its source in paganism. His nature and attributes have only a few basic similarities and many more differences. And the most important point is that all through the Qu'ran it says Allah has no son.
 
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There are many points that I can adress in your article. It is nice however that you use scientific evidence instead of just saying "because I say so"

If you read the article I posed earlier they deal with the Statue of Hubal and I can only assume that the information you have are taken from the same christian sources that decided that it was a Moon God despite the fact that there is alot of evidence to show that it was most likely not.

And to say that Allah is a generic word to refer to a the highest god. Well so is God. All religions referear to their god with a generic word. Odin for example uses many of the same synonyms as God. They all mighty, Father, the All knowing and so on.

And you are getting information from Hartford Seminary:
"We celebrate our Christian foundation" They are.... slightly biased.
Allthough they try to work together with muslims they have a clear christian agenda.

Dr. Br M Baravmann: s. I believe it is very important we know what is taking place elsewhere and pray for our brethren who are persecuted because of their worship of God. they are risking and giving their lives because of their faith. We know of over 160,000 (more like 250,000) of our brethren who die each year because of their Christian faith, there are probably just as many that we do not know of.
...a thouch biased perhaps.

George Braswell Jr:
[SIZE=+3]Islamics[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]The study of Islam
from a Christian Perspective[/SIZE]
...a thouch biased perhaps.
I Could go on researching the sources but I've made my point. Your sources are Christians who have set out to prove that Islam is not worshipping the same God. And as with any scientific approach if you are set out to prove something and you pick and choose your own sources you can prove anything.


"The God of the Bible identifies himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacobs name is later changed to the name Israel, being the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. The God of the Bible calls Jerusalem the city of David and that the Messiah would descend from his lineage. Neither does the God of the Bible does not mention Mecca or Medina but instead Jerusalem 800 times. Yet Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Koran, which the Muslim claims as there own."



I don't know the exact details but Muhammed was transported there by some divine means and stepped up into heaven. So it's holy because of Muhammed not becuase of the Quran. In the same way as Golgata is holy because of Jesus cross.




“Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Mohammed rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities...Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this.” (G. J. O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah? (Dorchester House, Bucks, UK, 1994), pg. 138).

Yep and you know what? Before christianity in the same region they worshipped someone that died and then resurrected. The whole Noah and the ark story can be found in several religions before the christianity (quezacotl for example). Being born under a star, being born of a virgin, the three wise men? All appearing in pre-chrisitan religion? Do you want to say that Christianity is a false because the same names and/or events were worshipped before? I think not.


History has shown Mecca and the holy stone al-Kaaba were holy sites for pre-Islamic pagan Arabs. The Kaaba in Mecca was formerly named Beit-Allah meaning House of Allah. We are told it was first built in heaven. This is in contradistinction to what Moses was instructed to build, something overlooked by the Muslims in their reading of the Bible.

The Koran tells us that Mohammed drove the other idols away; he made one God now the only god and he was its messenger. He kept the Kaaba as a holy, sacred place and confirmed that the black stone had the power to take away man's sins. He obligated every believer to make a pilgrimage to the stone at least once in his lifetime. (Sura 22:26-37) No Old Testament saint ever had a pilgrimage to the Kaaba and kissed its black stone despite stories that Abraham and Ishmael restored it.

Yep not saying that the Quran is in anyway right. Just saying that they are trying to pray to the same God.

Mohammed used the name Allah which was formerly the name of a specific idol without ever distinguishing it from the idol the Meccan’s were already worshipping. This was a modification of their former worship but never a complete break. He never did say for the people to stop their worship of the wrong Allah, for the right one. It can still be monotheism and not be the God of the Bible

And that is just plain false. he on several occasions warn people from worshipping false gods.
And nor was christianity a complete break from the Jews somethings lived on despite having little or no backup from the bible.

Arthur Jeffrey, ed., Islam: Muhammad and His Religion (1958), p. 85.)
After the Prophet's death, however, the growing community of his followers found that a great many problems of religion and even more of community life were arising for which there was no specific guidance in the Qur'an. Guidance was therefore sought in the Traditions, Hadith as to what the Prophet had said and done, or was reported to have said and done. This vast accumulation of genuine, partly genuine, and quite spurious traditions was presently digested into the collections of Hadith, six of which are considered to be the canonical collections. [These six canonical collections of Hadith are: the Sahih of al-Bukhari (d. 256 A.H., 870 A.D.), the Sahih of Muslim (d. 261 A.H., 875 A.D.), the Jami' of at-Tirmidhi (d. 279 A.H., 892 A.D.), the Sunan of Abu Dawud (d. 275 A.H., 888 A.D.), the Sunan of Ibn Maja (d. 273 A.H., 886 A.D.), and the Sunan of an-Nasa'i (d. 303 A.H., 915 A.D.).] But as these canonical collections were primarily concerned with material of a juristic nature, it follows that much material of importance for the religion of Islam had to be drawn from the other, uncanonical collections. It was well known to Muslims that much of the Hadith material was spurious, but for the study of Islam even those traditions which the community invented and attributed to Muhammad have their value, often as much value as those which may actually have come from him.

Taken from the same book. So much of what is actually considered Islam is actually just people inventing their own rules based on tradtion and interpritations. Kind of the same argument people use against the chatolics (which yes are christians, if nothing else, they were here first)
Not to mention that he constantly points out that when this book was written there were no reliable translations of the quran available.

The literal name of Mohammed's father in Arabic is Abd Allah. His uncle's name Obred Allah. These names show the devotion of Mohammed's families pagan roots, and also prove that Allah was part of a polytheistic system of worship before Allah was made the supreme and only god from the other God's. This should be proof to the pre- Islamic root of the name of Allah to the Muslim. Remember they were pagans who used this name. He kept his family name above all the other names. Mohammad had good intentions in removing the people from their polytheistic worship however he did not go far enough in his reform.

It does? really? Based on what? Does that mean that every mexican named Jesús should be should be shot for taking His name in vain? What about everyone named Mary and the different versions of it?

Mecca was the place where the idol Allah was located, so the people would face in that direction when they prayed. Prior to Islam the people would pray 5 times a day facing Mecca (The Encyclopedia of Islam p.303) Prior to Islam's beginning each Arab tribe used Allah to refer to its own particular high god. This is why Hubal, the Moon god, (known by other names) was the central focus of prayer at the Kaabah and people prayed to Hubal and they used the name Allah. The crescent moon was the symbol of the moon God Allah (Hubal) and is still used as a symbol of Islam today (although they have changed the meaning to be -from Mecca to the moon Islam will spread). Today there is hardly a Muslim that knows its ancient origin. History records it as an ancient pagan fertility symbol that is found throughout the Middle East. Mohammed smashed all the idols that led the people into idolatry but the black stone was kept which Muslims continue to kiss today. This was another practice that preceded Mohammad.

Shocking Truth, the cross was widely used before christ! It must be heretical to worship it! The start of Betlehem, I mean stars? Sun worship? Heresy! -.- Come on a little bit of common sense, every symbol has been used previously It's hardly like we suddenly discovered a new geometric form.

Mohammed made Allah into a single being who, unlike the Bible's God who is called Father, has no Son. Because of this portrayal, there is no fellowship or love among the godhead before God created man. Creation and man therefore become a necessity for God to express His attributes or characteristic's. This God has never revealed Himself to man but revealed only His will. This God is so removed from man that it is impossible to know him in a personal way, he relates to man only through his will and law. It is a religion of obedience no different than any other.

To the Muslim God is strictly singular, all seeing, all hearing, almighty, He is the first and the last. But what differs is that he has no Son and he cannot be called Father.

Of the 99 names of God in Islam, not one is “Father” or has a personal connotation. The difference is not to be overlooked. The God of the Bible is personal and wants an ongoing friendship with each of us. Islam portrays God as one who expects us to do our religious duty or He angers. There are rules to be obeyed and one can only please him but not know him personally. No Muslim would ever consider being able to have a personal relationship with him, by talking to him, and loving him. Jesus instead taught Christians to pray “our Father in heaven” (Matthew 6:9). Throughout the Old Testament God was real to the prophets who had him personally speak to them and they to him. “Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously with one another by profaning the covenant of the fathers?” (Mal 2:10)

Once again, not saying that their version of prayer or religion is correct.


In Islam some state that if one memorizes the 99 names of Allah and repeats them he will get into paradise because they give the believer power, making them conscious of God. Neither the Koran nor the Hadith speak of these names in such a way. The Suras in the Koran begin with “In the name of Allah, most gracious, most merciful. Yet in practice Islam's god is portrayed as stern, harsh, having compassion on those who do right and deals severely with those who do not.

Yep and some versions of christianity burns you alive for being black. Wierd twists of religion always appears. Just look at Cup-of-Ruin to get a living example. And once again make a difference between the cultural aspects and the religious aspects. All you need to do is go back 100 years and christianity wasn't that pleasant. Go back even further and we had witch trials and Inquisitions so on and so forth.






To a Muslim they refer to Jesus as Isa but this is not the true Jesus of the Word of God. They claim He is not the son of God and that he did not die on the cross for our sins. By stating this their Isa is another Jesus.
Yep. Not arguing. I've yet again never claimed that they are correct of that they worship Jesus. I'm saying they are (trying) to worship the same God. They do not worship Satan.



Muslims claim that the name Allah can be found in the Bible. Allah is not called Yahweh once in the Koran but neither is Yahweh called Allah in the Bible. So they can't be the same God. Neither is the word Elohim which is applied to Yahweh over 2,500 times in the Bible used in the Koran. Neither is he called I Am, which He said to Moses would be His name forever.


Having never read the Quran I can't say anything. Have you done so?


The God in the Bible is called the God of the Jews, an impossibility with Allah. They are called his chosen people, but they are not Allah's chosen. Allah commands the Muslim to not take the Jews or Christians as friends, Sura.5:51 disdains the Jews. Mohammed said, “The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them.” (Mishkat Al Masabih Sh.M. Ashraf pp.147, 721, 810-11, 1130). So how could Israel inherit the land or any of God's promises from Allah, if he is their God. Clearly he is not the same God of the Bible.


And you claim that the bible doesn't call the Jews for his chosen people? And that they were abandoned? Really...?
And there's been no wars between Jews and Christians? There are no Christians that claim that everyone but them will be killed? The only real difference is that if that line is true. He wants the muslims to go out and do the dirty work for him.
According to Christians beliefs God has left the jews and now is the God of christians. So by your logic our God cannot be the same God as the God of the bible. To bad, I guess we were all wrong.


Muslims trying to prove their position from the Bible point to the Old Testament with the word alleluyah, interpreting the first portion of the word alle as Allah. The word [H]alleluyah is not a compound Hebrew word. It is not two words but a singular word meaning praise to Yahweh. (alle- praise, lu-to, yah-Yaweh). The beginning of the word is Hallel meaning praise. This has nothing to do with an Allah, and the last syllable of the word is a reference to Yahweh the God of the Bible, this is hardly any evidence for their assertions. They are also confusing Aramaic with Arabic. This is not unusual, as Muslims will often take words and meanings set in another language and culture and adopt them for proof of their own book or religion.


Once again not defending their faith or practices, but have you looked upon your fellow christians?
"This is not unusual, as Muslims will often take words and meanings set in another language and culture and adopt them for proof of their own book or religion."
Done time and time again by all religions. See Cup-of-Ruin for a practical example.


This word play only gets more ludicrous as they try to have Jesus saying the name of their God. When Jesus was on the cross they claim when he cried out Eli, Eli it was really is Allah, Allah. The New Testament was written in Greek, however it points us to him speaking the Aramaic language, not Arabic. Jesus was quoting Psalm 22:1 which read in full says, Eli, Eli Sabbathani “My God, My God why have you forsaken me.” What makes even less sense for this position is the fact that they don't believe that it was Jesus on the cross in the first place, but that another took His place. Some think it was Judas; so it was Judas crying out Allah, Allah?


You base this on what facts? I notice this is just personal opinions now. Not quoted from somewhere.
And even if it's true. Not saying that their religion makes sense...bah you've heard it before.


The first Arabic translation of the Bible was made about the 9th century. Nowhere is the name of Allah found in the Old or New Testament. When Islam became the dominant political force people were coerced to use the name Allah for God or suffer the consequences from the hands of militant Muslims. Because of Islam's dominance Allah became the common name of God. The translators of the Bible gave in to the religious pressures and substituted Allah for Yahweh in the Arabic Bibles, but this is not the name of the God of the Hebrews, nor of the creator who made heaven and earth because of its source in paganism. His nature and attributes have only a few basic similarities and many more differences. And the most important point is that all through the Qu'ran it says Allah has no son.


First off. No facts or sources found. But I'll go ahead and assume it's true.
"When Islam became the dominant political force people were coerced to use the name Allah for God or suffer the consequences from the hands of militant Muslims."
So you are saying that when people who believed that their god is the same god as the God in the bible came into political power they had the translation changed so the bible would use the word Allah?
Really shocking there! They want the bible which they use as a source to use the same word for God so their won't be any misunderstandings! Shocking it must an evil plot.
Because certainly the language isn't evolving and certainly every translation of the bible is an exakt copy of the original with no words taking on new meanings. Clearly it must be so.
I'm sorry for the sarcasm but really THINK. To question is not to doubt.


And the Quran says that Allah has no son. And quite possibly that is why they will all fail and end up whereever they end up. But it does not make them satanists. It makes them misguided and to call them devil worshippers is just fuelling the fans of hatred and making sure that they will hate us even more.
And hate leads to violence, death, war, famine and disease. And I ask you, what good christians would rather spend their times hating their fellow man than showing understanding and praying for the lost.
And to all those that says "Well they hate us more, they attack us" Well, a few extremists does.
Yes lives have been lost and atrocities have been commited but as Christians isn't it our duty to rise above it and show compassion and understanding? Or should we all start declaring holy wars and bomb them becoming just like them. You tell me.
 
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